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1 minute ago, Hayseed said:

It would be nice if somebody would get open.

The announcers are saying people are breaking open just not seeing them.  

How many opportunities to fail can Cam get?  Frost says he can’t play the younger more talented receivers cause they make mistakes, yet Cam has multiple bad snaps a game and continues to start games?  No wonder the Florida kids leave the program.  

6 minutes ago, HANC said:

Delancey should be gone for his remarks during game. He can retract tweet but it is obviously what he thinks. 

Or maybe coach’s should clearly let players know where they are on the depth chart, why they are there, what they need to do or show in order to move up.  And when a player does get a chance and performs like Fleming did against NW, give them another opportunity instead trotting out the same less talented players week after week and continue to lose. 

15 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

Here's a thought: maybe we should hold the lenders to account instead of only talking about the borrowers. Every single one of those car or house or credit card debts can only happen if some lender allows it to happen. We've protected those lenders over and over again and indeed given them free (or nearly free) money to lend. But when there's talk of bailing out the borrowers, then the fiscal responsibility argument comes out.

 

And yes, I'd be fine with debating if and how to forgive some or all of the loans of regular Americans. However, the government doesn't hold those loans like it does for student loans, which is why student loans would be so easy for the government to forgive.

Another thought to add onto your first paragraph.  Let’s hold the educational institutions to account for taking all this loan money.  How about we hold them accountable instead of making Joe and Jane, who never went to college, pay for the mistakes of those that did.  
 

Government should have never take. Over the student loan industry IMO but that is probably a seperate discussion. 

2 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

 

Spare you?  I'm trying to converse with you.  I asked that you not bring non-relevant facts into a debate.  I called you nothing, insinuated nothing.

 

If you can't handle that, you shouldn't even discuss things on the board.

 

 

On the bolded above, Maybe?  That's your reason for bringing up criminal record of people who were gunned down?  Because maybe it's relevant?  Pure garbage argument brother...it has no bearing and you know it.

 

If you want maybes to be part of the argument then maybe Kyle Rittenhouse was brought up by parents who beat him and he played too many violent video games which caused this whole ordeal. 

 

Presupposition used to form WEAK a$$ conclusions is not a good way to make any points.  It's a great way to show how bad of an argument you're waging.

 

Now, once again, I ask that you bring only facts that are relevant to discussions to keep it on point.

 

I never said YOU did.  I said YOU have never called out anyone on this board but me and I have given you examples.  You have rules for me but not anyone else it appears.  
 

As far as the original discussion, MY opinion is that the shooter was justified based on being peaceful until attacked and in the shooters view, in fear for his life.  
 

Others bring up some mass murderer cases to this one and you breeze on by that post, yet it has no relevance for the discussion at hand. You almost tried to justify the post.  Crazy how you have selective amnesia when it comes to relevant posts.  
 

Now I will ask you to have the same rules for everyone or no one.  Please decide.  
 

5 minutes ago, knapplc said:

Huskers official twitter says McCaffrey at QB1, but all the local scribes are saying Martinez is taking 1st team snaps from Jurgens.

 

 

I think after LM last week, AM deserves another shot to start the game.   Neither option is ideal but AM looked more poised. 

20 hours ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

When someone is gunned down, it's poor form to insist that any crimes they committed previously that did not contribute to the death are relevant.

 

You are stating non relevant facts in order to illicit a reaction.  That's trolling and it's against the board rules.

 

Placing labels upon victims of violent crime is really poor form and if you continue to do it, makes me think you are trying to troll people versus having civil discussion.  I want to believe you're here for civil discussion.  Help me out.

 

If you want to continue to debate here and not make it on everyone's ignore list and become invisible, I'd recommend some candor and tact. 

 

But yes, we are in agreement on the overall argument.

Oh please spare me.   I have never once heard you call out anyone on this board when they respond to me in trolling or attacking manner.  
 

calling me Mr. Bunker, insinuating I am a racist, and I hear nothing from you.

And maybe it is relevant that those people had a criminal records because it shows they could be predisposed to violence.  I didn’t see any people with non-violent records attack the shooter. Maybe having a violent record does matter 
 

20 hours ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

 

Ok, let's take a walk back through this.  You haven't set ANYTHING bout my article I referenced...so let's go from the beginning for perspective.

You said:

 

You were talking about this from the CNBC article:

 

When the actual article they were quoting was from a study published in the American Journal of Health that stated:

 

So, what I posted afterwards should be EYE OPENING for you.  The fact that more than half of Americans (54%) with medical debt have no other debts listed on their credit reports and that among families who experience medical bankruptcy, 20.1% are military families.

 

Just considering the above, over half of those folks filing for bankruptcies referenced in the study DON'T HAVE OTHER DEBT.  So you don't have to presuppose about multiple car loans, no savings, credit card debt, etc.

The AJHP is behind a paywall so I can’t read anything beyond the first page which didn’t say much of anything in specifics. Not saying there isn’t good info later on, I just can’t access it. 
 

as far as your consumer health article goes:

1) it seems to say people have medical collections for many different reasons and just ability to pay.  
2) Credit agencies treat medical debt collections differently than normal consumer debt collections.

3) having the presence of medical debt and no other debt on a credit report (not collections report) tells nothing except the consumer is using credit extended by either the provider or CareCredit to pay for a medical procedure.  No different then using a credit card to pay for new furniture or new appliances.  
A good portion of non-medically necessary procedures are paid for this way: LASIK, Clear Lense Exchange, Cosmetic procedures, etc..doesn’t mean they are all going into bankruptcy.  
4) one thing the AJHP did state on bankruptcy; medical bills or work-related income loss.   So not necessarily the medical bills but then extended loss of income to pay every bill that person had.  

7 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

 

Stating facts that are irrelevant for what reason?  What does it have to do with anything?  Why state those facts at all when they have no bearing to the argument?

 

I also believe that killing someone in self defense is not murder.

We are actually pretty close to agreement all around on this issue so not sure why you are arguing with me

1 hour ago, BlitzFirst said:

 

Actually, if you cared to look it up instead of making a claim that it was only tied to it:

 

More than half of Americans (54%) with medical debt have no other debts listed on their credit reports.  Medical debt actually makes it HARDER for individuals to get credit cards, buy homes, buy cars, etc.  Now this is from 2014 but is the only data point I can find on this type of statistic.

 

https://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/201412_cfpb_reports_consumer-credit-medical-and-non-medical-collections.pdf

 

 

Additional finding:  About 19.5% of consumer credit reports include one or more medical collections. (Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, 2014)

 

and one that really pisses me off as a Veteran is this...

 

Among families who experience medical bankruptcy, 20.1% are military families. (American Journal of Medicine, 2009)

 

His article that he wanted me to read said tied to and did not say caused by.   So I guess I did look it up.  
And nothing I said after was incorrect. 

2 minutes ago, BlitzFirst said:

I will say this, whether or not there was a 'child molester' coming after him is absolutely NOT relevant because killing someone with a criminal record...regardless of what it is...is still murder.  So you should probably drop that argument because it isn't relevant.  Also, continuing to discuss what crimes that the people who died are guilty of does nothing for or against Kyle Rittenhouse or his intentions/case...but it makes you sound like a person trying to justify the forcible taking of a human life.  That's pretty low in my opinion.

I was stating facts about the people in question of the night in question.  Never once did I say those scums should be killed for protesting or killed for their prior transgressions against children. 
 

I’m no lawyer, but I am of the belief that killing someone in self defense is not murder.
 

and for the third time now so the people in the back of room can hear, a HS kid should not have been at a riot with a gun.  Leave it to the owners of the property and the police.  

1 hour ago, Frott Scost said:

Ill respond to this in more detail when I have time but I have to get on the road to Denver for the holidays. But for now I will respond with, people can eliminate that debt. Its called bankruptcy. So they do have that option. Students dont have that option thanks to...wait for it...Joe Biden. See its not hard to criticize “your side” whatever my side is as Im progressive in some areas and conservative in others as are most people. 
 

Have a happy Thanksgiving. 

I have already stated that in previous messages I have said the BK laws should be revised. 

2 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

Look....?

Who was taking him serious before? It’s been pretty apparent since the git go what and who he is.

You took the time, energy, and effort to respond, so apparently you are.  Happy to have you reading my posts.  Hopefully you have been able to follow along and learn a thing or two.

2 hours ago, commando said:

statements like that make you look stupid.  hard to take you serious with statements like that.

Take me seriously, don’t take me seriously.  Either way is fine.  FBI interviewers believed Flynn to be telling the truth, and evidence was shown that 302’s were falsified, among other things.  Obama FBI wanted a scalp no matter what the cost to integrity.  
 

Research the case, look at the evidence presented in court filings.  

2 hours ago, commando said:

 

And when did that exchange take place?  Where is the proof?  
 

Maybe take a look into the

background of the evidence against Flynn and how it unraveled.  

1 hour ago, Moiraine said:

 

 

What if a child molester or a felon with a skateboard had attacked Seung-Hui Cho as he was entering a classroom? Or Omar Mateen as he was entering a night club? It's funny how you do all these mental gymnastics, including irrelevant details about these people, when there are protestors against police violence involved but when there's been a mass shooting or attempted mass shooting I'm sure you praise anyone who tried to stop them as a hero. Yet here you are calling these people stupid. You have no idea what this kid would have done if people hadn't harassed him.

We can't have this both ways. We can't expect armed teachers in schools to stop mass shootings and praise them as heroes if they stop it or lessen the damage, then turn around and call unarmed people idiots when they try to stop people with guns, just because those people with guns are anti-liberal. We can't know these gun wavers weren't would-be mass shooters.

 

IMO self defense should be off the table if you bring a gun into a crowd and act threatening. People should be able to assume you are a potential mass shooter at that point and subdue you without legal repercussions, and you should lose the self defense argument if you shoot them.

Extremely stupid analogies.  Did Omar Mateen actively engage all his victims, or was he just carrying a weapon, walking around a nightclub  and only shot the people who first attacked him? Of course you know the answer so I won’t bother typing. 
Did the VT shooter actively engage all his victims or was he just defending himself in each instance against people actively attacking him first.  Of course you know that answer to.  Were those two terrible events anything at all like Kenosha. Of course not.  Compete nonsensical garbage to suggest otherwise. 
 

you are the one doing mental gymnastics trying to come up with a comparable example to worst humans on the planet and completely whiffed.   
 

The kid had done nothing wrong at all during the night until child molester #1 decided to chase him down, threaten to kill him, while trying to take his gun  (same clown btw who got in peoples faces earlier in the night telling everyone to “shoot me n word”). After shooting that idiot, the kid was actively running to the police to tell them what happened.  No one else needed to do anything.  He was literally going to the police.  

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

Thanks for proving the MAGA crowd would justify it.  

You are welcome.  And for the record, I also said he shouldn’t have been there in the first place.  

21 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

 

No, you probably wont see because he wont do it. And for your sake thats a good thing because if he enacted even a little amount of these popular policies the republicans would never win again. Remember the last actual progressive president we had, FDR, won four times and after he died republicans had to make term limits. FDR won 48 states in one of those elections. 
 

I cant for the life of me understand why people think eliminating student loans wouldnt be an amazing thing for this economy. We would have job growth and spending like never before and home ownership would skyrocket. What happens when the boomers die off and the rest of the generations are saddled with crazy amounts of debt mister economic genius?

Here’s a real life scenario I am going through right now so you know I truly believe what I say about this subject:

I have a senior in HS (my #2) and #2 just received two red envelopes today from UNL.  One was a notification of a $60K scholarship and the other was notification of a $20K scholarship.  I’m sure #2 can get a few more private scholly’s also and go to school debt free even  paying the out-of-state costs.  
#2 is also waiting for December Acceptance letters from MIT and Chicago.  Much much costlier schools but #2 dreams of working on Wall Street and graduating MIT or Chicago virtually guarantees that with a starting salary of over $150,000.  

Free school with a slower career path, or quite a bit of debt with an accelerated career path.  Whichever way #2 chooses, (hoping #2  gets accepted and gets a choice) we have had many discussions about what those loans will cost on a monthly basis and don’t take that lightly because they would be #2’s to pay off come hell or high water.  
I would not expect anyone to flip the bill for #2 for choosing a more expensive option. Just like I wouldn’t want to pay for others who choose expensive options and then can’t make them work.  Examples that happen tens of thousands of times a year are when kids forgo CC/JUCO and in-state options to attend a private liberal arts college and get a non marketable degree!  Or go that same route for a teaching degree!?!?  Everyone knows what teachers make, so why not go the cheapest route?  Art History majors, Mid Century English Lit majors, 19th century Native American studies major, etc...All cool things to learn about I’m sure, but very few marketable jobs.  Those people knew the loan amounts and knew the job prospects.  
 

people have choices, they aren’t forced at gun point to max out the loans available to them.  

9 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

 

No, you probably wont see because he wont do it. And for your sake thats a good thing because if he enacted even a little amount of these popular policies the republicans would never win again. Remember the last actual progressive president we had, FDR, won four times and after he died republicans had to make term limits. FDR won 48 states in one of those elections. 
 

I cant for the life of me understand why people think eliminating student loans wouldnt be an amazing thing for this economy. We would have job growth and spending like never before and home ownership would skyrocket. What happens when the boomers die off and the rest of the generations are saddled with crazy amounts of debt mister economic genius?

And my question always goes back to this:  if eliminating the debt is going to so great for the long term future, then why not just eliminate all debt and take the economy to the moon?  Think of how much money people will have to spend if they don’t have to make car or house or credit card payments anymore!   It would be awesome sauce.  
 

have the Gov privatize all the car loans and then forgive those too.  That would free up almost the same amount of money as student loans.

We are a nation of consumers, not really savers.  Those same financial geniuses who took out way more debt than they should have will most likely do it again in some other form of debt because they got reward for their idiocy the first time.  Do we forgive that debt too?  
 

News flash, we are already saddled with Crazy amounts of debt as a nation. 

20 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Watching the MAGA crowd along with QAnon idiots.....I’ll stick with my statement.
 

I just hope we don’t need to find out because OANN fed someone with too much bull s#!t.  
 

Let’s just take a moment to remember that we have all witnessed a teenager taking a gun to a protest, shooting people and the MAGA crowd defending him and sending him money funding his defense. 

Said teenager was attacked by a convicted child molester (on video) and shooter said child molester was trying to take gun.

teenager was running away, TOWARDS the police to turn himself in, and was attacked by a felon trying to hit him in the head with the side of his skateboard.  Try stupid things, get a stupid prize.  Teenager then gets a gun pulled on him by a third convicted felon who is not allowed to carry the gun.  Teenager gets shot off and felon gunman gets one less bicep.  I don’t have a problem with someone defending his own life.  He just shouldn’t have put himself in that position to close to rioting felons. 
 

I would not advise my teenage son to go to a riot armed with a gun.  Bad things tend to happen. 

3 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

 

Good on a Trump.  Well deserved pardon.  Flynn was railroaded as shown by the last year of evidence brought forward by his attorney. 

6 hours ago, RedDenver said:

28% of the 200,000,000 are underinsured and will not be able to pay for healthcare as seen by the number of bankruptcies caused by medical bills.

Underinsured Rate Rose From 2014-2018, With Greatest Growth Among People in Employer Health Plans

This is the real reason most Americans file for bankruptcy

 

And medical costs continue to soar. The current system is not sustainable, so it's going away one way or the other.

See bold above.  Tied to not caused by.  

Could mean person or family had multiple car loans, no savings, thousands in credit card along with some medical debt.  Was it the medical debt that caused the BK or the totality of debt?  

If you wanna go by the study you cited, well then it shows overall things were better pre-Obamacare and now we have more people “underinsured” and uninsured than pre Obamacare.  Either Obamacare was even worse than I thought or the study is flawed. Too lazy to dig into it deeper 

3 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

Sad thing is, back then the vast majority of Americans, both Dems and Repubs, condemned Timmy and what he did.  I'm not sure Republicans would do that now.

Those kind Of comments just make you sound stupid. Tough to take serious on anything else 

3 hours ago, Frott Scost said:

Think again bucko

 

There are these things called polls. They are the things that told us Biden would win months ago. Maybe you should follow them and you will see the progressive agenda not only polls well, but well over 50% on most issues. 

I guess we shall see.  
 

Thank you for letting me know about polls.  I believe they also said Biden would win Florida, Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin by 13, Collins would lose by 6, Ernst would lose, Graham race would be close, TX was a swing state.  
I will pass on the polls. 

1 hour ago, commando said:

keep looking...i am sure you will find your answers mr. bunker

So if I keep looking I will find the album, “your answers mr. bunker”?   That is a strange name for an ICP album.   This is the third album name change you have given me.