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8 minutes ago, Branno said:

 

This is why it’s hard to take what you write seriously. You use a truth, that deaths declined (due to stay at home orders) and follow it up with a false statement. 
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/10/coronavirus-live-updates-us/

 

Deaths starting rising a week ago. In some areas, like Texas where I live, we’re seeing new record infection rates and deaths daily. 

 

This isn’t an opinion, it’s fact. What is not a fact, unlike your claim, is that we’ll have football.
 

We might have high school football in some areas but I would be shocked if there is a CFB season. 

One problem we have when looking at COVID-19 is that too many people look at the national numbers.  How many total deaths, infections, hospitalizations, etc...those don’t mean much in places where things are relatively under control(flat, slightly rising, slightly falling). 
 

even looking at this from a state level is misleading because density matters And most states have unique areas.  Look at it from a county perspective.  You take Texas like you cited and most infections are coming from a handful of counties.  

35 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

 

The point I'm trying to make (the same one that has flown over your head on a number of occasions) is that the reason that the Oregon QBs were more successful than the Nebraska/UCLA QBs is because the talent at Oregon was much, much, much, much better. So yes, going back to the point that you tried not to make in your last post, talent around the QB makes a difference. 

It seems your just not comprehending things.  Everything around a web makes a difference.  Talent around him, head coach (biggest difference of anything), training, none of that is in disputed by me.  

What your failing to understand, is that the special QB’s elevate the play around them, they don’t play down to lesser talent around them.  

AM’s not gonna make Kade Warner be CeeDee Lamb, but he sure as heck shoukd make him be a better Kade Warner than a replacement level JoeQB would.   Throw the ball on time, find the open tight end that was constantly running free.  He shouldn’t consistently throw too late and hang Jd out to dry.  

He should give our RB and or Reciever every chance to be successful on a screen pass by hitting him in stride and on time.  Turnovers should be limited to next to nothing on fourth quarter drives in one score games.  All those little things matter and help get every ounce of talent out of the teammates he has.  It’s the difference between a 2,200 yrd 12/10 season and a 3,000 yrd 20/5 season.  All by controlling things he can control. 

And Yes.  More talent makes things easier.  no one disputes that.

1 hour ago, Cdog923 said:

 

The strawman is thick with this one. 

 

Since your argument is predicated on "this type of offense", I've got an assignment for you: go look at what first year QBs do in the Chip Kelley/Scott Frost system. Look at guys like Jeremiah Masoli, Darron Thomas, Marcus Mariotta and Justin Herbert. Then, compare that with Adrian, Wilson Speight, Dorian Robinson-Thompson, and McKenzie Milton. Then, ask yourself what you think the main difference is between that first group, and the second group is. Think about it for a bit, then come on back and try again. 

Not sure what point your trying to make, but it’s whatever it is, it doesn’t seem to be working out. 

Masoli, not that great, Wilton a Michigan transfer not sure why he fits in, and Milton played exceptional without a ton of NFL talent returning from Frosh to sophomore year as has already been established.  Herbert a first round NFL draft pick most likely. 

Oregon was good, UCLA not so much and Mckenzie elevated those around him. Got  it.  Also, Transfer QB’s are hit or miss. Some are Masoli and some are a Wilson.  Shocker.  

51 minutes ago, Husker in WI said:

 

What, and they wouldn't be worried about McCaffrey or Smothers transferring in that scenario? Why wouldn't a kid transfer if they outplayed the other competitors and didn't get the job? The QBs would know it was close, and they use a lot of fairly objective grades. So I'm pretty sure they'd know if the "best man" didn't win, and any of the QBs could transfer if they felt that was the case.

 

I expect Martinez to win the job in a legitimate battle, and many fans to immediately question the validity of the competition just based on him winning.

Smothers could redshirt, sit one and still have three to play.  Luke could believe AM won’t last a season W/O injury and he will get his chance.  It was just thinking out loud with no prediction. 

I’m starting to wonder if AM will be named the starter as long as the competition is even somewhat close for 1 reason.  AM is still a 3 for 2 guy and the coaches could believe that AM would just enter the transfer portal if not the starter instead of being back up while trying to win the job back.  

I dont think AM has to be the best, just close enough to justify starting him at the beginning and letting his game play dictate the next course of action.  

Just a random thought.  

And I should probably clarify 2 things:

1) if AM is the starter, then I absolutely hope he plays fantastic, heisman level type season, and NEB wins 10 games.  I root for all the players to succeed on the field and in life.

2) AM’s freshmen season was a good season for a true freshman, but would not be good enough for a junior starter, or third year starter in this type of system.  It’s a QB driven system that gives the starter tons of opportunity to drive up a fantastic stat line.  

15 minutes ago, Hilltop said:

He was far from average his freshman year while healthy and got all the hype for plays like these that seemed to happen every game.  

So I just want to be clear, you will be very happy with AM this coming year if he throws for 2,750 yards, 17 TD’s with 8 INT’s and adds another 630 yards rushing, 8 TD’s and 6-8 fumbles lost to the mix? 

12 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

Yeah I mean it's not like another senior QB in '95 got hurt, fought through adversity, and then overcame to great results.

 

Getting injured = end of the world

 

Got it.

Way to project your irrational thoughts into a reply that said nothing of the sorts. 

Never once said getting injured= end of the world. 

Injuries are a fact of life for a QB in that type of offense, and actually for our current type of offense too.  It’s also a fact that AM hasn’t played a full year in any of the past three. 

So project your feelings all you want if it makes you feel better.  Hard to argue with facts though. 

1 hour ago, Cdog923 said:

 

LOL. Pump the brakes there, bucko. You also cannot be successful with the talent and depth at O-line that this team has had the past two seasons. You also cannot be successful as a team with the talent and depth at WR that this team has had the past two seasons. You also cannot be successful as a team with the talent and depth at RB.......

 

Are you getting the point? Adrian is far from, hardly, and nowhere near the main problem with this offense. The fact that he had the second most efficient season at QB in the last 10 years, as a true freshman, is more indicative of his level of talent than it is anything else. 

Are you speaking of the talent and depth of the 2017 UCF line ranked 67th in the country that returned 2 starters and another player coming off a bad knee injury.  Plus all the talent/experience at WR that returned, oh wait I mean the 1 player with over 800 yards that returned.  Or the 1,000 yard experienced running back that returned from their 2016, errrrr, not that either I guess.  It’s amazing how much more talent and experience UCF has had than Nebraska.  

I hear it it loud and clear from you, bucko, a Quarterback can’t elevate the rest of the offense around him.  A QB can only be above average if he has lots of talent and experience around him. 

And by the way, if you can’t get past the fact that the stats from his freshman season are average at best from a QB in this offense, then not sure what to tell you.   The most impressive part of AM’s freshman season was that he won the job as a true freshmen and that he had a slightly better than average season as a true freshman.  Make no mistake about it though, you put those stats on any nameless sophomore, junior, or senior and it’s not an all-American type season.   He got all the hype in the offseason because of the improvement wveryonenthought he would make off his freshman season.  Not because his freshman season was filled with off the chart stats and play.  

40 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

Exactly. And that would be a senior 2AM, everything else being equal about the setup.

My guess is that he would get hurt and the backup would play half the games.  

His passing stats would go down (lack of opportunity) rushing attempts would go up till he got hurt. 

7 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

 

This was as a true freshman. They were also better than Milton's numbers his freshman year. 

 

 

Which kinda proves my point.  UCF has a losing record that year with those stats, same as NEB.   You can’t be successful as a team with a QB that has those types of stats in this offense.  The offense is designed around a certain type of QB in order to win games.   Thank you for agreeing with me. 

1 hour ago, Husker in WI said:

 

True. He also had a RB with about 1900 all purpose yards and a stable of receivers. Not trying to claim Martinez is close to that level, just pointing out that W/L as a QB measurement isn't great. I think stats are better, but you have to account for the style of offense and the supporting cast. This offense should produce great stats from the QB position, so that's a fair knock on Martinez last year. But Mahomes also wouldn't have put up his 2015 stat line with our team last year.

 

I think everyone agrees Martinez did not perform up to expectations last year. We jsu tdisagree on how far below, and how much of it was his fault directly.

Ummm, Who’s to say he wouldn’t of?   What super talent did he have around him at Tech?   A sixth round pick and a 5th round pick.  Good chance the 2019 team could have that by the time everyone graduates.  If Mahomes has NU’s 2019 defense that year, he probably wins 11 games at a minimum.  

2 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

 

224/347 (64.6%), 2,617 yards (7.5 yp/a), 17 TDs, 10 INTs, 629 yards rushing, 8 TDs, 139.5 QBR. As a freshman. 

 

Now, go ahead and find me a more efficient QB in the last 10 years. I'll give you a hint: there's only 1. 

This offense is designed around the QB.  An average athletic QB will have those stats you just described.  However, we won’t win 9-10 games a year with those stats at QB in our offense.  Iowa, MSU, etc would do well with a QB like that stat wise, not us.  We need more than just an athletic game manager.  

53 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Some people are going well beyond criticizing his play.

Perfect.  Let’s focus on the .5% of the idiot posters rather than the other 99.5%

1 hour ago, Nebfanatic said:

I didn't say that at all but to be fair I have seen posters say things like we will never win with Martinez as starter and he just doesn't have it and never will. To me there is a difference between criticism for his play and those type of comments which seem an awful lot like some people just want the kid to fail. 

Well I hope there aren’t any idiots out there rooting for some college player to fail just so they can toot their horn claiming they were right about the player.  Such a sad existence if that’s the case.  

I think the vast majority ate skeptical of AM but would absolutely root for his success is chosen to be starter.   

11 hours ago, Cdog923 said:

This is an absolute no-win situation for Adrian. If he does win the competition, a small but loud portion of the fanbase (and this board) will scream that it was rigged, that Frost is just playing "his boy", and will wait with bated breath until something happens to him so that McCaffery will get to play. If he doesn't win the competition, then he loses his job. 

Not really.   If he wins the job, plays up to the standards of a Top 15 starting QB, then I’m guessing all Nebraska will love him.  

Mid he wins the job and doesn’t play well like last year, then people will probably call for the next man up.  

11 hours ago, Nebfanatic said:

Not sure how I'm making a straw man argument but alrighty hombre

Because you think if someone criticizes AM’s play from last year that they want the kid to fail going forward.  Everything I read is that people just want better a good QB to be the starter regardless of who it is.  

10 hours ago, Nebfanatic said:

It's going to be hilarious to see all of the Martinez truthers scramble when he is lighting it up this fall 

My guess is they will all be happy if we’re winning games.  But hey, whatever straw man argument makes you happy. 

19 hours ago, FearAmeer said:

I think people who are starting to dry up on Frost don't realize the amount of unlucky s#!t he's gone through and the fact that literally 9 of our losses under him have been by one possession. 9 with terrible roster depth. You flip those all to wins and he's bo pelini 2.0 with 8-9 wins a season but recruiting momentum 

Mostly agree with you, but some of those close losses requires some boneheaded 4th quarter decisions.  

If he figures out the game management piece piece along with better QB play, this team will turn it around 

Not sure who will be the starting QB come fall, but if Frost picks AM to be starter and AM has the same type of season 6 games in as last year, then someone else better be given a shot to start the final 6 or 7 games or his judgement will start to come into question.  Neb can’t win this coming year without a big improvement in QB play.  

1 hour ago, MyBloodIsRed16 said:

Um no.  First of your scenario doesn't work.  My ability to hit a fastball or field ground balls or catch pop flies has nothing to do with my teamate next to me.  Football on the other hand is as close to a true team sport as you can get.  Besides defenders who can still churn out good years while playing on crappy teams.  Would Kurt Warner do as well if he played for the browns?? History would probably say no.  As a QB i could he the most accurate passer and have a rocket arm but if I don't have anyone to throw to or time to do it I'm not going to look as good.  So yes Kurt Warner had some luck getting to play for the Rams who were going to be a pretty good team regardless if Warner played for them or not

Actually your ability to hit fast balls could slightly depend on your teammates, because if those hitting around you stink, then you will not be getting fastballs to hit.   Breaking balls and chasing fastballs and just pitch to the next guy.  

So how bout this.  Tom Brady must be the luckiest guy in the world.  Drew gets hurt for an extended period so Brady steps in.  Gets to play for one of the best owners and coaches in the history of the game.  

1 hour ago, nupowr said:

does anyone doubt that if 2AM was at Ohio St he would be destroying our Az$ right now with obscene numbers?  Because he would and they would take him in a heartbeat.  I don't know whats up but our team has had the life sucked out of it for what seems like ever.

I doubt it because he wouldn’t even see the field except for mop up duty.  No way he’s beating out Justin Fields last year or this coming year. Nothing against AM on this, he’s just nowhere near as good as Fields.  

28 minutes ago, MyBloodIsRed16 said:

Didn't he get a shot with the Rams because someone got hurt??  I would say that was luck.  He had a couple very good receivers and a hof rb.  Then he goes to the cards and gets to throw the ball to Larry Fitz. Who catches anything you get close to him.  Like I said I'm a Kurt Warner fan but he had two pretty good situations.

So I guess we can also say Lou Gehrig was good because he was lucky.  Played because of an injury and had hall of famers all around him.  

A certain amount of luck encompasses anyones career, it’s what you do with that opportunity and how well prepared they are at the time.  By your standards pretty much every successful player was lucky.  Avoiding a wrong turn on their knee, getting seen by a certain coach at the right time, being born with god given talent, etc..Some bust their tails and take advantage of it and others coast through life and don’t live up to potential.  Kurt Warner made the most of every opportunity. 

8 hours ago, N is for nowledge said:

I don’t think anyone on here is a AM homer.  All have acknowledged he took a step back.  I would argue a whole lot more goes into interceptions and missed throws....wrs being where they should when they should be, creating separation, and an oline that provides time and windows to throw in.  Again, was AM good, no, but he went as did much of the offense which was largely paced by an awful oline.  
 

ive also said, 18 AM was pretty neat for a frosh, hence the heisman hype.....I’ve yet to see that out of any member of the oline.  That might explain why AM gets a little grace and benefit of the doubt with me vs, saying it was all on AM and the oline wasn’t as bad as I saw.

I get it that the online has not been up to par, but the discussion was on AM’s INT’s. I don’t really care how awful your line is or how much separation the receivers do not get.  Don’t throw the ball into traffic.  

Aside from tipped passes, blind side hits, and miscommunication on routes, a QB’s turnovers are all his fault.  No one else’s no matter how bad the rest of the team is.  Full stop. He controls what he does with the ball.  Having pressure certainly doesn’t help AM, but he also shouldn’t just chuck the ball cause someone is close to his feet.  

it would be like blaming a running backs fumbling problems on a bad o line.  

2 hours ago, MyBloodIsRed16 said:

I'm a Kurt Warner fan.  But I always tend to look at how a QB got to where he was.  Is he someone that a team built their franchise around?  Did he come in and then the team got better?  Did he get dropped into the right situation (I'm looking at you Tom Brady).  Kurt Warner is was lucky to be a part of the team he was on and got to showcase his talent.  Much better Qbs have not been so lucky

Kurt Warner took the Cardinals to the Super Bowl and darn near won it.  That’s not luck