1 hour ago, Mavric said:

 

Yeah, I think you're generally correct.  The top talent isn't going to stick around another year.  And, if it's like baseball, some places won't keep the guys around another year.  Wisconsin didn't let their senior baseball players come back for an extra year.  It will be interesting to see if they change their toon for football.

 

Getting a lot of our younger guys an extra year should really help down the road.

Ummmm, Wisconsin doesn’t have a baseball program.  

The QB for Aquinas was a husker  Baseball commit until he quit baseball to focus on football this summer 

1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

 

There will be PLENTY of people who think that. I get asking questions, especially since the conference brass hasn't been very forthcoming, but you know there will be people who continue to believe Warren ramrodded this through because it was all his idea. Or whatever. 

 

Well he DID lie in his letter why would you think he would be truthful on anything else.  
 

1)Transmission rates are currently falling, NOT rising. 
2) They won’t know much more about LONG-TERM myocarditis effects on then COVID-19 patients in January that they don’t already know now.  5 more months doesn’t give any more safety data on long term effects since the current data says recovered patients are currently fine in terms of heart disease issues. 
3). I have not heard of any university saying they don’t have access to tests, though I admittedly don’t closely follow all 14 programs. 
4)  currently CTE risks and known long-term damage from CTE are in far greater numbers than COVID-19 risks for this age group. 

Do they even have any scholarships available to give?  I’m sure it’s a pretty penny for most people to walk-on to Ole-Miss with out of state tuition.  

Agreed. No reason to make a rash decision based on this decision alone.  Big10 has been a net positive even though the major athletics programs haven’t performed well consistently. 
 

It will interesting to see the 2020 payout differences in the leagues if games go forward in Big12 this year. 

6 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

That might be true. However, pro baseball is a totally different animal than football. These kids typically will be playing years in the minor leagues before having a chance at the Bigs. 
 

Football players go right to the top league. They also have a much higher chance of injury ending their career. 

They get drafted all the same.  Where baseball IS different this year, is that the draft was only 5 rounds so it enticed college players to stick around for senior year or second senior year.  Football draft I’m sure will still be 7 rounds so same amount of people will get drafted. 

22 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

I'm so confused in this conversation.  You just did what you accused me of doing.  Where did I say any of that?

As for your last paragraph.  Did I say healthcare workers shouldn't go to work to help save lives?

 

Still.....nobody has told me why saying most of these people would have died in the next 12-24 months anyway....is pertinent to the conversation.

 

We have over 200,000 additional deaths just since the pandemic started and the daily death rate has gone up the last three weeks so it's at a level we haven't seen in 2 months.

Because in medicine there is concept called number of expected life years lost.  It has nothing to do with which life is more valuable, hint every life is valuable.   
 

130,000 people under age of 30 dying suddenly has a different impact on society than 130,000 people over age of 70.   
 

it doesn’t make it right that one group dies instead of another, but it has different impacts and it’s worth studying and knowing the data.  
 

On 8/14/2020 at 1:00 PM, BigRedBuster said:

 

You have somewhat of a point, but I don't totally agree with it.

 

Players who are NFL prospects aren't going to stick around.  Players who aren't seeing playing time as seniors, aren't going to stick around for another year.  So, while there will be some that do, many won't.  The ones that are most likely to stick around are the ones that are getting good playing time but aren't a good NFL prospect.  That number, relatively, isn't large.  That allows for more freshmen to sign and join the team.

 

Again, this might affect one...maybe two years of recruiting and I'm not sure it's a devastating situation.  Not perfect, but it's not going to  destroy the program.

You have a case study already in place, College Baseball.  Look how many seniors are sticking around and extrapolate to football sized numbers.   Not perfect, but will give an educated guess vs just throwing speculation out there 

On 8/14/2020 at 11:54 AM, WyoHusker56 said:

 

They aren't worried only about a college student dying. They are worried about college athletes catching it, causing an outbreak that kills other students, staff, professors, parents, etc. This decision isn't solely about whether a college football player gets sick or not it's about what happens after a college player gets sick and the liabilities/optics associated with that. Not saying I agree with it, but there is more going into this thought than just if a player gets sick or is worried about getting sick.

If that is truly the case, then college President’s are hypocrites for having on-campus learning. 

On 8/12/2020 at 4:37 PM, krc1995 said:

Ragin Cajuns just schedule 9/12 with Iowa State. 

Interesting how it’s deemed safe for Iowa State to play but not Iowa

Should be interesting. 

55 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

And, how do you know which ones?

So...it's OK if someone dies a year or two early.  No big deal.

you don’t know which ones.  Medical community tries to keep everyone alive for as long as possible with the best chance at the highest quality of life.  But when looking at the entirety of patients in said demographic health wise, doctors are pretty damn good at giving the percentages and overall those percentages are pretty accurate.  They are good at what they do.  
 

And you just don’t get it.  I’m not arguing we should have football and it’s ok to have people die earlier.  Why can’t you comprehend this?  
 

I’m talking about the REALITY of the situation in determining how and who this affects in terms of annual death rates.  We have 200,000 excess deaths to date and 160,000 are COVID-19 related.  They are all sad, all unfortunate, and I’m not gonna let you get away with trying to imply I think otherwise.   Next year or the year after we will have LESS deaths than normal because people died this year that without COVID-19 would have lived a year or two longer.  Hopefully less suicides.  Hopefully less stress in society which means less MI’s.  That’s my only point and entire point.  
 

Don’t care about football at this point because we aren’t playing this year and should not play in the spring if we truly care about the health and well-being of the student athletes. 

47 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

And a hell of a lot of times, they aren't even close.

And the vast majority of time they are. 

5 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Then explain the "well, they were going to die within the next 24 months anyway.".

 

Which....there is absolutely no evidence to support that anyway.

 

And...I specifically said I've seen the argument other places.  I'm not implying that I know how he feels about it.  Just commenting on the attitude that he's talking about.

Actually, in long term care facilities for some patients and Hospice centers for most patients (And these two places are where most COVID death patients come from) there is evidence to support it because doctors will give patients a life expectancy range based on current disease severity.  Life insurance Actuary tables will also give data on this. 
Doesn’t mean it’s absolute and I assume every respectable member of society hopes everyone else outlives what’s expected.  

4 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Good to know that Brohm has no idea what other schools had on hand or access to for testing supplies going forward.   

3 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

And that's OK.  Hey Grandpa....you were going to die next year anyway.  

 

This is a pathetic argument that I've seen other places as to why not take it seriously.

 

And...just because the majority of deaths are in the elderly, doesn't mean there isn't a significant number in the younger population.  And..not all of those were unhealthy individuals.

 

It also doesn't take into account the long term health affects of many younger people who get it and don't die.

Such an idiotic statement.  He never said that, and actually stated the opposite. 
 

for some reason you continually imply that some posters are not taking COVID-19 seriously or don’t take its impact seriously and have compassion for those affected. 

25 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

I agree with this, as I understand it - this is what they do with flu deaths. I would expect to see that number to grow, once we have a better idea of this in a couple years. I'm guessing with the immune systems response affecting organs like : Kidneys, Liver, Lungs and Heart - the CDC might see excess deaths due to liver failure, heart failure, kidney failure, pneumonia that they can attribute to COVID (especially FEB, MARCH deaths)

Thank you for understanding the point!  It also helps determine what the longer term impact COVID-19 has had in terms of total overall deaths and number of years of life lost. 

Just now, BigRedBuster said:

You don't have to look at that info.  Just look at the fact there has been over 200,000 more deaths than normal in the US since March.

So if the US has 60,000 less deaths next year than what is normal, we can say that all of a sudden the US population was safer/more risk averse and/or decided to become healthier?  No, it’s because some of the older population and less healthy who under normal circumstances would have died in 2021, ended up dying in 2020 because COVID-19 expedited their disease process.  Suicides are way up, MI events are way up.  
 

I have never said or inferred that COVID-19 is not serious or that it isn’t causing significant deaths.  I’m only saying the total amount of deaths this year combined with the next 2 years will be quite a bit closer to the total number of deaths the next three combined years when there is no longer a COVID-19 threat. It will most certainly be more, just not 200,000 more.  
 

this same thing could NOT be said if an event such as a massive EQ or tsunami like what occurred in Indonesia. The overall death toll did not or would not even out so fast because of the age group affected. 

1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

And deaths are being vastly under-reported. 

May be and may not be.  It actually depends on how either the physician or medical examiner classifies a death which isn’t consistent across states.  Died of Covid or died with Covid.  Does a hospice patient with 6 months to live die of Covid because the death takes place 3 months sooner after getting infected. It’s not as easy as it sounds to classify cause of death. 
 

It also makes zero sense to look at tot number of deaths from a short time period like 3 months or 6 months.   Most studies of this nature wait for two years or longer to see what the total impact of unusual large events were. 

57 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

I saw one instance of that in Florida but it was apparently corrected. Haven't seen any other reports on that sort of thing though that may be true. I know in Florida they were testing less due to hurricane concerns. Here is an article talking about the decrease in testing. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/12/accuracy-of-us-coronavirus-data-thrown-into-question-as-decline-in-testing-skews-drop-in-new-cases.html

538 and Covid-19 tracker have a few good articles on the subject.  If I remember correctly WA, and CA also had certain large labs report 100% positivity the last few reporting periods.  Regardless, TX, FL, and AZ have hit case peaks 10-21 days ago which is good news. 

1 hour ago, knapplc said:

For the "they're over-reporting COVID deaths to make money" crowd...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hospitals don’t make more money on a death in any circumstance.  They don’t get paid for people dying, they get paid for providing services. 

1 hour ago, Nebfanatic said:

What he is saying is deaths correlate with infections and since infections are in decline deaths will be at some point soon as well. What he misses in that assessment is places like Florida and Texas which are the current epicenters have drastically reduced testing in recent days. 

If you look into the data more, some of the reduced testing numbers are because some sites are not reporting negative tests anymore. 

9 hours ago, WyoHusker56 said:

It's always amazing to me how people can just throw away someone else's life and justify their death just because their older or saving them requires you to experience the slightest of inconvenience. 

Who is throwing someone’s life away or justifying a death from a senior citizen 

2021 seniors in the low 3 star category and below will get screwed over from this.  4 and 5 stars will get take and so will High 3 stars.  Seeing this in Baseball recruiting from last springs legislation. 

12 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Will deaths be less in the future than they are now? Yes but not because of what you are saying. Better therapies+vaccine/immunity will drive down deaths by 2022.

Unless I’m wrong, hospitals don’t get paid for any deaths.  They get paid for services rendered to the patient.   Only the physician who performs the announcement of death can bill for it.