N is for nowledge

5 hours ago, NUance said:

 

Meh, this is only year three of Frost.  We can still trot out the roster excuse for at least another year.   

 

   

It gets less and less as yrs go by but roster depth across the board was rough last yr.  kind of a valid excuse.  I do think he had enough to get six wins, maybe 7 but not much more.  I remember watching the Iowa game, 3rd & 8, inside our 20, thinking who the hell is AM going to throw to.  Wasn’t another skill position person on the field that would play for most other big10 teams.

2 hours ago, nupowr said:

does anyone doubt that if 2AM was at Ohio St he would be destroying our Az$ right now with obscene numbers?  Because he would and they would take him in a heartbeat.  I don't know whats up but our team has had the life sucked out of it for what seems like ever.

It begins and ends up front of both sides of the ball.  We haven’t had a dominate oline dline for 15 yrs.  it’s been both a development and recruiting up issue.  I believe Austin is the right guy and we are starting to recruit kids to the system.  Same could be said about LSU, swap burrow with AM, AM there burrow here.  This isn’t an AM issue as much as some want to believe.  It’s a very simplistic narrow take.

On 2/21/2020 at 6:43 PM, Head Coach Scott Frost said:

 

Not only that but our foot has been in our mouths the whole time too which makes shooting it all the more dangerous

Bos recruiting classes weren’t much better....go back and look, especially towards the end.  Most were around 40/60 or 30/70.  It’s been a while folks.

On 2/20/2020 at 8:20 PM, BigPeterJ said:

After losing Demorrio , we lacked speed in the secondary and Bookie is pretty good.  Tyjon is doing well too, and we needed a receiver.

Bookie has been bagged on during every ou game I watched this season.  Granted he’s only a soph so jury isn’t still out but dude is catching heat on what is a pretty awful defense.  Tyjon didn’t do a whole lot in a pass happy offense, in a pass happy league.  Hardly difference makers.

Nicole Griffith, sports at 1011, is saying she’s talked to him and it was a medical decision.  What the hell did that boy do to his leg, and how.  Either that or maybe a congenital defect that went unnoticed?

1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

Are you really trying to tell me that AMart’s turnovers are someone else’s fault?!?   Seriously???   

 

The kid has potential.  If he took better care of the ball, and had a bit better decision making (which should come since he’s only a soon to be junior) he can a pretty good college QB.  

 

But currently he is not till he proves otherwise.  Dirant matter how much you try and twist my words, when I never said it’s all on him.  Of course tipped passes by the receiver that causes an INt are not his fault.  But there are just as many if not more INt’s dropped by the defense so things basically even out.  And yes, every single one of his many fumbles are his fault and his fault alone, except for any blindside strip sacks.   

 

Our other positions have some some definite issues, but stop being such an AMart homer that you blame them for his turnovers.  

I don’t think anyone on here is a AM homer.  All have acknowledged he took a step back.  I would argue a whole lot more goes into interceptions and missed throws....wrs being where they should when they should be, creating separation, and an oline that provides time and windows to throw in.  Again, was AM good, no, but he went as did much of the offense which was largely paced by an awful oline.  
 

ive also said, 18 AM was pretty neat for a frosh, hence the heisman hype.....I’ve yet to see that out of any member of the oline.  That might explain why AM gets a little grace and benefit of the doubt with me vs, saying it was all on AM and the oline wasn’t as bad as I saw.

3 hours ago, Enhance said:

Hasn't Frost made it clear he's uninterested in his quarterback(s) getting coached or trained from resources outside of the program, or has that changed?

Didn’t hear that one.  Is that like the feelings and assumptions by many on this group thinking mccaffrey is light yrs ahead of AM on all of his 20 career attempts?  The same assumption that he will lose to AM regardless of that because somehow AM is “frosts guys” but the other guys frost recruited aren’t “his” guys.  I’m looking forward to the frost quote.  

8 minutes ago, Husker from Kansas said:

I disagree, its crappy anytime. When you're 9-3 people are more likely to brush it off and say look at this idiot. But when you're 5-7 and trying to turn the program around, things like this can gain traction when they shouldn't and cause a divide. Now we all know it probably won't, but it's pretty classless to trash your kids coaches unless they are somehow putting your kid in harms way, or have actually wronged him in someway other than he isn't getting enough PT or they aren't throwing him the ball enough. Kurt Warner is a HOF QB and it comes across fairly immature to speak down about the staff publicly

I guess i didn’t know Warner wanted to get into coaching.  Did he apply with frost or want the qb coach job.  If not, then he should stfu or get his kid out of here.

2 hours ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Many of his critics are not impressed with his raw stats last year and they are not good by any reasonable comparative look but the biggest issue for me is more the lack of “it” factor plays.   I understand that his supporting cast was not good.  This hurts him too.  One can look past those things but its hard to point to very many special plays he made something out of nothing for example.  His highlight video would be pretty short so far with “difference maker” kinds of plays. In my opinion Frost’s offense by design requires a very special player as QB - its QB centric essentially and being a basic manager is not enough.  He needs to have and actually use exceptional run skills as well as read and throw with rare accuracy. Being average is not good enough to help the team overcome problems.   Maybe none of our QBs have this “it factor” but until we see it in AM there will be plenty of interest in trying other guys to see what happens.  We are not winning for many reasons and less than stellar QB play is one major one.  

Skip the whole 2018 season did we????

3 hours ago, The Dude said:

 

12 TDs to 9 INTs would still be extraordinarily bad.

 

We can play "what if" like this and hypothetically improve every QB's stats in the country if we wanted to.  It doesn't  work like that.

 

The fact of the matter is Martinez was bad.

That literally wasn’t what I said.  I said AM was not good.  My larger point is it was a failure of 11 guys not one, AM doesn’t play in some sort of bubble.  We’ve seen what good AM looks like, I’m still waiting to see what good Wilson or farniok looks like.  

17 hours ago, The Dude said:

 

10 TDs to 9 INTs is bad.  There's no getting around it.

If farniok and Wilson make two of the easier blocks I’ve seen against Purdue and Wisconsin that’s 12 td to 9 int.  My point is not many ppl are saying AM had a good yr, the point is that his struggles were shared by failures across ALL players on offense.  I’ve seen good AM, I have yet to see GOOD Wilson or farniok.  

3 hours ago, bugeater17 said:

 

That's a fair point but often if its a called give there won't be a read/unblocked defender. If there is an unblocked defender at the LOS its an indication of a read type play. 

Or an oline that misses an assignment, which happened often.

4 hours ago, BigPeterJ said:

 

I disagree.  Regardless of how bad the rest of the offense was, Adrian was as bad as anyone on the offense.  I find it ironic how some people will throw every single offensive player under the bus in order to defend Adrian's bad play.  The offense had many problems, not just AM, but I'm not gonna blame 10 other dudes for the decisions, lack of vision, and bad passing (even on simple screen passes) of our QB.

First I’m pretty sure I said he didn’t play well last yr.  I’ve also stated I’m in favor of a competition not just at qb but every position every yr.  I’m just saying in a legitimate competition it is still AM to lose and no that’s not because he’s “frosts guy”.  Pretty sure frost recruited vedral, mccaffrey, and smothers so they are all “frosts guys”.  Question though.  How difficult would it be to be qb in a system that has a limited rushing game, low trust in wrs to be where they are supposed to be, and an oline that provided some of the best look out blocks in the country last yr.  all while doing this with an injured shoulder that required off season surgery.  My point is we’ve seen good AM, outside of jd the wr group was meh, the rbs were new, and the oline had the usual suspects in Wilson, hixson, and farniok you could always see were out of position or we should have better at the position.  I think it says a lot that a player in the two deep at guard chose to transfer to the talent that is coming up.  
 

so I’ve said AM didn’t play well, but that isn’t in a bubble.  AM had an excellent frosh season, hence the heisman talk.  The others around him were unproven or had proven they were lacking.  Therefore, AM has a bit more rope than say hixson, Wilson, or say mike Williams.  The bigger issue is we had more of the hixsons and the Williams on the field last yr with AM than the Sunday stans and oz’s of the previous yr.

1 hour ago, BigPeterJ said:

Regardless of what we had/lost.  He was really bad in 19'. All year.  From beginning to end.  What exactly makes you think he will be better....significantly.

The offense consists of 11 people.  He lost over half of the receiving threat and over 60-70% of the rushing threat plus three oline.  That’s not, yeah whatever type loss.  So why better.  He should be healthier, with an established rb who came on last half of the season, better depth at Rb too.  The wrs should see a huge jump in athleticism and depth should be much better.  Biggest piece is the oline should be much better allowing for players to move into more natural positions.  I believe farniok moves into guard, and Hixson and Wilson get pushed hard by several others for the last guard spot.  Oline should be substantially better allowing AM more time to read, better throwing lanes, and wrs where they should be and not needing to focus in on 1-2 guys.  

3 hours ago, BigPeterJ said:

Ok ok...look i will try to be humble.  It goes against my very name on here, and to be honest i created the name very drunk and this whole thing was a joke at first to me.  If i'm gonna take time to post on a message board, i was gonna try to liven it up , at least have a lil fun while in the despair that is Nebraska football.  But that was at first.  Since then, i actually try to share my true opinions.  But i do still like to add some fun to the board.  I mean its not a serious part of life, its a college football message board.  To me the only things in life that matter are the things that are eternal, everything else dies.  And 100 years from now 95% of anything on this earth means nkthing other than wether souls go to heaven or to hell.  

 

Now that some of you guys bring it up, i do remember the good Martinez from the 2 games i watched in 18', and i will take your word he was like that most of the year.  What the f#&% happened in 19' then? I watched every single play of every single game in 19' and my honest opinion is Martinez cost us alot of games.  This is a sport, so it doesn't mean i dont like him as a person.  I just thought his play at QB was 80% of the time very harmful to our team, and 20% of the time was fair enough.  If he was so good as a freshman, than why was he so bad the entire year (from South Alabama to Iowa), it wasn't like he had a few bad games, he was bad overall throughout the entire year.  

AM didn’t play as well that is clear.  He was also injured to a far greater extent than many of us gave him credit for.  In addition, he was surrounded by far lesser athletes in yr two than yr one, with a far worse offensive line than the yr prior.  I’m not sure I can name one offense, at any level, where you lose leading rusher, wr, and 3 starting oline and expect to be better.  Add on to that through ‘19 season you lose jd, wandale, Warner, and Washington for some or most of ‘19.

1 hour ago, Husker03 said:

To these points, AM looked great with smaller size and limited playbook his first year as well. 

To these points AM also was playing healthy with a much better supporting cast than in 2019.  He also ran the whole offense all game so has a much bigger sample size to analyze.  Some husker fans are the best, trying to run off an actual preseason heisman candidate in favor of their self appointed one with less than 20 pass attempts, 0-1 record as a starter, and 4 games played in.  Gotta love the offseason around here.

3 hours ago, BigPeterJ said:

3fold.  1) Luke was the best QB in his limited snaps.  Yes it was a small sample size, but what else do we have to go on?  Also you could use that argument for him.  Coming cold off the bench n STILL performed.  Imagine how he would have been in a rhythm.

2) Regardless of his talents, he seems to be the biggest fighter.  Spirit, Drive, Contagious energy that effects entire team.

3) just a gut feeling (but regardless of if he passes the ball well, you got some things guarenteed) Fastest QB, gonna be high energy, gonna bring that spirit n soul.  Even IF he doesn't pass the ball well, it cant be much worse than AM was, and you dont get those 3 traits i mentioned from AM or Vedral, at least not on the level of Luke.

So, just stating the facts.  I too like his running ability, same as vedral, over AM.  That running style and gameplan, while necessary, put both Luke and vedral on the bench nursing injuries after one game for 2-3 weeks.  Not really a qb or system I think makes it the entire season.  I like Luke and think he could very well be the best qb of the bunch in time, but in his freshman yr to make statement indicating he’s the best by far is a huge leap

4 hours ago, BigPeterJ said:

My reason for that concern is just the way last year played out.  Just felt Luke was a better QB and Frost has a bias toward AM.  I could be wrong, but thats how I feel.

 

Cool, thanks for the response.  Assumptions and a gut feeling then.

11 minutes ago, BigPeterJ said:

I am a lil worried of just that.  I think McCaffrey could be better than Martinez, and Frost still goes with Martinez.  Not saying Frost will do that, but it is a worry of mine.  Luke could be the next Eric Crouch or Tommie Frazier.  In fact I'd crown him with the Hesiman right now if i could.

There’s nothing, to lead you to that concern.  If you  have a few  actual reasons I’d like to hear them.  Crowning a kid that has yet to attempt 20 passes is the reasons we have washouts and busts.  Let the kids develop, they all have work to do and let the winner come out on top.  The way that whole freshman class was talking last yr I have a hard time thinking their not here for the long haul and to win some games... I’m talking luke,wandale, and Nelson for sure.

Also, interesting, is a good amount of this board wants to crown mccaffrey as the hiesman winner 2020 but also thinks he’s not good enough or won’t beat AM or Smothers.  

1 hour ago, BigPeterJ said:

Unless he finds out he is never gonna start ahead of Martinez or Smothers.  If he wants to be a QB, he probably doesn't want to be a career backup.  But not only would Martinez have to beat him out, but also Smothers.  So if Luke leaves, i would take it that Smothers is the real deal

How is he “finding out” in year 1.5 he is NEVER going to start ahead of AM and a kid that just stepped on campus 30 days ago.  I realize it’s the off-season but Jesus.  The idea he’s transfers came from where?  That his daddy now coaches at a college, any college.  What about Dylan, maybe they can both go back?  Does Christian have any eligibility left?  Is there a baby of the family?  I heard, from a guy, that knows a girl, that saw her ex-husbands babysitters, boyfriend at 31 flavors last night that all our coaches are going to start recruiting on Mars for the next 7 star player.  I know how cool.  That rumor has as much truth to it as this one about mccaffrey.

1 hour ago, BigPeterJ said:

I could see the reasoning behind it too, but hope he chooses to stay.  Or maybe he beats out Martinez anyway.  The scenario where he beats Martinez is if, 1) Martinez is still the same as he was all of last year.  And 2) Scott has the guts to start the best player.  In that case Martinez could transfer.  Worst case scenario and the only way we dont have decent QB play, is if Martinez is still like he was this year, but Frost still starts him, Luke transfers, and now we have to go with a struggling Martinez or Vedral.

This is a ridiculous rumor.  You are either a pwr five athlete that wants to compete at that level or you aren’t.  I see no way this has any legs at all.

On 12/27/2019 at 1:33 AM, ndobney said:

There really shouldn't be a need for a qb competition. 2am is not the guy time to move on.

Not sure if serious.  If so, I’m so glad we have such reasonable, knowledgeable “fans” that can make a player assessment so quickly.  Maybe a coaching spot is in your future.

1 hour ago, BigPeterJ said:

To be fair it looked like a terrible call, although the video glitches right at the moment the ball is about to reach the receiver.  But from the looks of it, it was a terrible call in the biggest moment of the season for Youngstown.  I really dont see a problem with what Bo did, although i didnt hear the exact words Bo used. If Frost reacted that same way in that situation, we would be backing Frost for his passion and sticking up for his team.  I'm not saying i would want Bo as my head coach, but it has nothing to do with his sideline demeanor, for me anyway.

 

This argument never ends...some like him, some dont, as with any head coach.  Bo is what he is.  He is a bit of a maniac, and doesn't always do the right thing........he is also a passionate guy that fights for his team, and as Tom Osborne said, Bo is himself, what you see is what you get.  Which some people, like Tom, happen to respect as it is not as common as you would think.

Don’t know if it shows it on this video but it was clearly PI, hand was on the back and pulling the wr down.  The ref from the back is the one that threw the flag.  So to be fair, I see this as an excuse.  From bos vantage point he didn’t have the view of the PI, to that I agree, where I disagree is that gives him free reign to act like a toddler throwing a tantrum.  BTW, agree to disagree that I, or many, of us would applaud frost for acting that way.  I’ll say again, hometown announcers were asking for police to get him off the field.  

@GSG way more than one post making excuses for the toddler known as bo.  Go look back over the LSU or this thread.  Many blaming the ref or laughing it off.  The re-writing of history that goes on in this board is crazy.