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39 minutes ago, knapplc said:1 hour ago, Hilltop said:
6'4", 325 pound freshman. Kid is arguably not in the greatest shape just based on pictures. He is obviously overweight and hasn't been through college workouts. He is an outlier in that he did have to go to the ER but is not admitted. His mom is speculating about further issues but what parent wouldn't right now. She is understandably scared. As a parent I would be. I wish the kid the best but I don't believe he fits the typical stereotype of a college athlete in the best shape of his life.
My point is this case shouldn't be the gleaming example that college athletes are in danger. The reports coming out of all the other schools, like Illinois, are consistently saying their athletes are experiencing mild to no symptoms when positive.
This is a bit over the line.
A bit? And several people here called some of my hypothetical's on how several college football fans are "seriously" thinking, but not outright saying, as "callous"? This post is pure callousness all in the name of attempting to justify playing college football.
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37 minutes ago, Ulty said:
No. I do need to drink to read your posts, however.
You have me confused with Hilltop.
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7 minutes ago, Hilltop said:
6'4", 325 pound freshman. Kid is arguably not in the greatest shape just based on pictures. He is obviously overweight and hasn't been through college workouts. He is an outlier in that he did have to go to the ER but is not admitted. His mom is speculating about further issues but what parent wouldn't right now. She is understandably scared. As a parent I would be. I wish the kid the best but I don't believe he fits the typical stereotype of a college athlete in the best shape of his life.
My point is this case shouldn't be the gleaming example that college athletes are in danger. The reports coming out of all the other schools, like Illinois, are consistently saying their athletes are experiencing mild to no symptoms when positive.
1. I am glad that you can ascertain health status by a static image. Did you attend the Edgar Cayce Institute?
2. We are basing covid and college athletics on a stereotype. Interesting.
3. What is a "gleaming" example of a college student-athlete in danger?
4. In your expert medical opinion, based on your medical training in epidemiology and infectious disease specialization, what are those mild symptoms that will not turn into sequelae.
5. What is it going to take to convince you that this is a serious situation for college student-athletes?
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4 hours ago, Ulty said:
I thought I had come to terms with the idea of having no football this fall. But yesterday, I saw Sam Adams Octoberfest at the store, and I was sad all over again. There is nothing better than drinking one or two of those while enjoying a game.
You need football to drink? The folks who attend Alcoholics Anonymous meetings will get a giggle out of that.
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7 minutes ago, CheeseHusker said:
Unfortunately it will always be the legacy of those early 80s teams that they didn't get to ultimately bite the cherry.
I have always admired the 1978 team. But anyway, I will gladly take a team that falls 1 game short of a NC instead of what we have had the past 15 years.
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10 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:
You are high if you think 97 is the best. I guess there is a difference between your favorite and the best.
It is my opinion. And I was unaware that you are ultimate authority on all matters. I happen to think that the 1997 team was the best. They were unbeaten, won the NC, was not mired in controversy, defense was very good, offense had Ahman Green; in my opinion they were able to execute the offense with very good timing and precision.
Heck, the guy who wrote the article put them at 3; going to diss him for that? Was he "high" because he chose that? But I defer to you since you are the "all knowing".
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My top 5 favorite;
1. 1997
2. 1971
3. 1995
4. 1983
5. 1994
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55 minutes ago, nic said:
Ha. No it is not well established and good luck tracing it in 1918. In the US, it supposedly started in the spring of 1918 in a military camp during WWI when troops had been deployed in Europe since June of 1917. What source do you have that says it is a well established fact of origin?
Camp Funston in Kansas that was located at Fort Riley. But has been traced back to Haskell County Kansas.
Both contemporary epidemiological studies and lay histories of the pandemic have identified the first known outbreak of epidemic influenza as occurring at Camp Funston, now Ft. Riley, in Kansas. But there was one place where a previously unknown – and remarkable – epidemic of influenza occurred.
Haskell County, Kansas, lay three hundred miles to the west of Funston. There the smell of manure meant civilization. People raised grains, poultry, cattle, and hogs. Sod-houses were so common that even one of the county's few post offices was located in a dug-out sod home. In 1918 the population was just 1,720, spread over 578 square miles
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC340389/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/
https://ksww1.ku.edu/tag/camp-funston/
Evolution, Medicine, and Public Health [2018] pp. 219–229
The first wave appeared in the spring of 1918, in a well-documented outbreak at a military base in the farm state of Kansas. From there it spread with American troops throughout the nation and overseas on crowded trains and troop ships. It moved quickly through the congested military camps of Europe and on to east and south Asia, infecting all sides of the conflicts without regard for nationality
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Word just broke; all articles below are within the hour.
https://www.si.com/college/indiana/football/indiana-freshman-brady-feeney-seriously-ill-covid-19
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18 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:
Lighten up Francis.
But am I right?
But let me know what everyone's thoughts are on this.
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25 minutes ago, Hilltop said:
I was being sarcastic lol. Your over the top hypotheticals are things nobody can answer. All of us have our opinion. My opinion is that our conversation is no longer adding to this discussion.
I know you were being sarcastic. Over the top hypotheticals are actually based on reality. However, I believe I added something new to the discussion and that is the perception, brand, reputation and image that has been missing from the discussion.
But who really cares right? As long as there is football being played, no one cares. And if someone gets infected, hey, next man up. If a player opts out, no big deal, next man up. If a player gets sick, no big deal, next man up. If a player dies, who cares, say a prayer and a pre-game eulogy, next man up. This virus is not that big a deal, let's play. Let's have full stadiums and a full schedule. Why not? People die all the time, next man up. And if we fill the stadium up, just think of those older people who have had season tickets for eons. They will get the virus, die, and someone else can get the season tickets. Next ticket purchaser up.
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10 minutes ago, Hilltop said:
Kansas, please elaborate. I'm not sure everyone here really understands. Maybe include a few more examples and a couple more paragraphs on your opinion.
If the entire league plays, one school won't be singled out regardless of what happens.
I think I laid out the examples quite well for you and the process by which it will occur and the questions of reputation, brand image and recognition and how that will impact perception which will impact recruiting which will ultimately lead to Nebraska being mired in competitive frustration.
But I disagree with your "all for one" thinking; if the entire league plays, each individual school where an incident occurs is where the lawsuits direction will focus on, not the entire league. No one will sue the Big 10 as that encompasses 14 schools; those other schools are not going to want to pony up for someone else's problem.
And can you tell me, with total precision and accuracy coupled with a guarantee, that a single school will NOT be singled out regardless of what happens? Are you really sure about this?
And do you want the image, brand, reputation of the Huskers tarnished? Are you Hilltop, being of sound mind and memory, willing to take that chance? I keep asking you these questions but you always deflect and dodge saying "I am not in charge here", "I do not have all the information", "I am not paid to make this decision" and other things. Are you willing to accept any student-athletes altered life, future health and potential disability for the sake of playing a season or even a game? Are you willing to accept the consequences of negative perception, negative image, negative reputation and negative brand?
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31 minutes ago, Decoy73 said:
Yep. Things are about to get really uncomfortable for the conferences and FB programs
Folks, we have forgot to add this variable that no one has even mentioned. Brand name and recognition and reputation.
Many of you remember Kent State in 1970. Even a song came out by Neil Young called "Ohio". Kent State even tried to rebrand themselves as "Kent" to offset the image.
Remember Penn State and the abuse allegations and what it did to that place? Baylor? Of course these were sexual assault. But still, the image of the university and its reputation was greatly impacted.
What happens to a celebrity and a scandal? It always follows them. For example, we know about OJ Simpson. But what is always the first sentence? OJ Simpson, who was linked to the infamous killing of two people, saved the life of two boys today who were nearly drowning in the ocean.
So, if something occurs at the University of Nebraska such as a player being hospitalized for covid or dies from this or gets a long term health consequence, it could take a generation or more or even a decade to fully recover from such a negative event. It will impact recruiting in that the perception will be that they do not care about you, or will skirt the protocols, or will have some other negative connotation with it even if the allegation is totally unsubstantiated.
Remember the University of Maryland player that died during the workouts? There was an investigation, the media was all over it and someone was going to be blamed and lose their job. This is how it works:
1. event occurs;
2. media goes bonkers over it;
3. university responds in effort at damage control and promises to do an investigation;
4. investigation ensues, media still going bonkers, someone is blamed and is fired;
5. university sends out press release saying that there guidelines and protocols are finely tuned now;
6. lawsuit occurs;
7. media goes bonkers;
8. quietly resolved in out-of-court settlement years after event occurred;
Now, how much damage control and loss of reputation are you willing to take to make sure that college football is going to be played at the University of Nebraska? Husker football and the athletic department may lose money by not playing football, but what will be the true cost to reputation and brand name loss?
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Get ready folks, media people are starting to ask the really tough questions.
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9 hours ago, Jason Sitoke said:
Thanks.
You're welcome; I was using that as a way to figure it out in my own head plus I forgot to add that would be 3 football players on a typical roster. Never type a response formulating a thought in your head and listen to your wife yell at you at the same time. Although some of you are probably better at that I am, I still am mastering that art form.
But I do wonder what the Hilltops of the world would think of 3 cases on a football needing hospitalization?
47 minutes ago, hunter49 said:"Among the demands are protections for eligibility and better health and safety standards amid the pandemic, keeping existing sports by cutting pay to coaches and administrators, a plan to fight racial injustice in college sports and society, and plans for revenue sharing and six-year athletic scholarships, among other economic issues."
interesting, a bunch of PAC 12 players just came out with demands before they are willing to ever practice or play a game. seems like extortion is alive and well every where you look?
Here is an update.
The student-athletes are asking the conference to form a permanent civic-engagement task force to address social injustice issues, as well as an annual Pac-12 Black College Athlete Summit with at least three athletes from every school in the conference.
the letter says the group wants the conference to direct 2% of conference revenue to support financial aid for low-income Black students, community initiatives and development programs for college athletes on campus.
The group is asking the conference to distribute 50 percent of each sport's total conference revenue evenly among athletes in their respective sports, six-year athletic scholarships, and the ability to transfer one time with impunity.
"drastically reduce excessive pay" and end performance bonuses to help preserve all existing sports. In addition to those financial requests, the student-athletes are demanding guaranteed medical expense coverage for six years after college athletics eligibility ends.
And the extortion goes the other way.
Kicking around the idea of forming its own championships for all fall sports and not just football could be seen as a potential stepping stone toward the Power Five breaking away from the NCAA altogether.
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16 minutes ago, Jason Sitoke said:
These numbers are based on confirmed cases. What that number represents as an indication of actual infections, I’m not sure, but do you believe that an 18 year old with COVID has a 3% chance of being hospitalized for it?
That would be 3 cases per 100 people. There are several factors to take into consideration.
1. co-morbidities that an 18 year old may have;
2. we are not getting the news about these cases;
3. if there is no hospitalizations, we have not gotten any information about long term effects and what these are for this age group and how long the effects last.
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1 minute ago, Cdog923 said:
If anyone is paying attention to MLB, it's a blueprint for the kind of cluster**** college football is going to be: there will be a start to the season, a few games will get played, and numerous players and teams will have to be shut down because of viral spread.
If they (university presidents) were smart and honest with themselves, they would look at the model and say "no way we can pull this off." The potential lawsuits, media scrutiny, player revolts, and other things will simply be too much pressure to even have one game only to find out that there is an outbreak. Remember what I told you all only to have the Hilltops of the world say I was being over-dramatic? It will only take ONE covid case for it to all collapse. The media outrage machine (and yes I know I keep saying this but you cannot deny it) will go into hyperdrive when kickoff becomes imminent. Right now, they are just waiting to see what the decision will be and the cancel culture will come out of the woodwork en masse.
The report from the Washington Post is going to have a major impact on the perception of college football and could very well be "the straw that finally broke college football's back." The release of those transcripts cannot be spun any other way and no matter how hard the SEC tries, they will look foolish trying to spin it differently.
Remember, college football hitched its wagon to the motto of "student-athlete health and safety is paramount." Deviating one angstrom from that motto when practice, in full pads, with contact, with groups of players congregating together at a practice and the college football Humpty Dumpty comes crashing down and there will be no way to put that back together; no amount of prayer, wishful thinking, alternate scenarios, alternate universe thinking and hope for a magic vaccine to come riding in like some formula that Spock puts together and makes Captain Kirk like a real hero.
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I told you all that this was going to happen at a PAC 12 school. This pandemic has laid bare the entire college football structure.
A group of Pac-12 football players from multiple schools is threatening to opt out of both preseason camps and games until its negotiations with the league regarding concerns about racial injustice, their safety during the coronavirus pandemic and other demands are completed.
The group's list of demands, according to the text message, includes safe play amid the pandemic, fighting racial injustice, securing economic rights and fair compensation, protecting all sports and obtaining long-term health insurance.
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28 minutes ago, Undone said:
Agreed. Bob Costas’ comments have already ventured into that basic area code.
It is starting to get even more interesting with a former head coach weighing in.
Danny Ford says college football is taking 'great gamble' playing this fall
"I could see it being from the NCAA head all the way down to the commissioners all the way down to the ADs and coaches to the players," Ford said of potential lawsuits. "So we're taking an awful chance for one year. Maybe we can do it. It's risky in my opinion.
""I have not heard anyone talk about side effects, even if you had it at a young age as a young teenager," Ford said. "How is going to affect you when you're 60 years old? Or 40 - the colleges aren't going to be there for you then, you see. That's what I worry about...Hopefully nobody seriously gets hurt or passes away. Hopefully there are no future problems with people's health."California is a big question mark. Imagine the hoops these people have to go through.
May we present … California.
“One question nobody is answering is,” a source said, “is what if the California schools can’t go” for training camp? Three of the four would be prohibited from holding any semblance of a normal camp if it started today. USC, UCLA and Cal are conducting outdoor strength-and-conditioning drills.
The teams cannot gather in large groups; they cannot tackle; they cannot even share a football. Until state and local health officials alter restrictions, the trio won’t move forward with preparations for the season. Stanford is further along, thanks to the protocols put in place by Santa Clara County. The Cardinal cannot tackle, but it can gather in groups large enough for units to practice together. And Stanford can use a football — but only if it’s touched only by two people: quarterback and running back, or quarterback and receiver. There are no center-quarterback exchanges, because that would involve a third person touching the ball. It is not known when Santa Clara County, the City of Berkeley and Los Angeles County — not to mention the state — plan to loosen restrictions to permit the standard level of tackling and touching of the ball.
“We’ll see what happens if the state guidance intersects with the orders at the local level,” the source said.
Odds are, if the season gets played this fall, most players won’t get sick. And most of those who do will recover. But nothing is certain. Some players will get COVID-19. A few could die.
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9 minutes ago, Undone said:
Might have misunderstood me, not sure. I’m talking about people who say “let’s go ahead and play the season” being called monsters.
My apologies and thanks for clarifying this. However, this will be one of the descriptions given by those in the media to paint a picture of those in charge who considered the aspect of profit over health and well-being of unpaid "students" for the entertainment value of the masses.
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6 minutes ago, WyoHusker56 said:
Ya and Lorenzo Cain bailed on the rest of the season. That'll be the next domino star players start to bail and it makes it hard to keep going.
Rumblings are beginning to happen. Media outrage machine is starting is moving to
DEFCON 3 ROUND HOUSE Media ready to mobilize in 15 minutes "There are going to be outbreaks," an unidentified official whom the SEC would not identify afterward told players on the call. "We're going to have cases on every single team in the SEC. That's a given. And we can't prevent it."
Another player, who was not identified during the call, asked about the long-term effects of players who contract the virus but recover. Marshall Crowther, a sports medicine physician at Ole Miss, answered, "the problem is a lot of this we don't know. Catherine O'Neal, a professor of medicine specializing in infectious diseases, said that young medical residents at her hospital who contracted the virus reported feeling exhausted for four to six weeks.
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Here is something interesting about sports and transmission of covid.
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27 minutes ago, Undone said:
Again though, I think it's really fair to go back to some of the ideas @teachercd posed several days ago - are these college kids going to sit in isolation all day/evening? Or are they going to go out and do what young people do?
My honest guess is the latter. Now this isn't necessarily some kind of trump card where we then say "well it doesn't matter so let's just have the season."
But I do think it puts some of these comments in context where people are practically - not literally - but practically saying "You're all monsters for suggesting we'd continue on with the season because one of these kids could die!"Have you all seen a group of elementary aged school children? If there is no recess, they will eat their arms off. And really, sitting in isolation is no different than solidarity confinement in prison.
You think there is a bunch of us saying you are all monsters for some person possibly dying from this? Wait till the media outrage machine comes unhinged when a bunch of student-athletes or students in general come unhinged in a dorm and start screaming "monsters!!!" for causing mental health issues. Some student-athlete somewhere is simply going to blow a cork. And you all know good and well that they will sneak in marijuana and booze...oh and let's not forget the girls, oh the girls, these young men will try to sneak in. You would have to make this dorm bubble no different than a SuperMax with concertina wire and a guard houses with .50 caliber machine guns and armed guards with billy sticks patrolling around with inmate counts every 2 hours so we can play Michigan State for this to remotely work.
24 minutes ago, teachercd said:Not one of the kids that I have seen/spoke with, that just graduated and are heading off to college have even remotely hinted that they are going to socially distance or wear masks. If anything it has been the opposite. They talk about meeting new people and hanging out with new friends.
Here is a policy from a school in the Midwest that I received from a colleague asking me what I thought of it. I told him where they get people is at the 2000 word essay with a grade of B or higher. I would ask "what is the topic?" But let me guess "how I was wrong and should have known better and will not do it again." Sounds Orwellian to me. The Mask is Freedom.
With this commitment in mind we would like to make clear to students that when you check-in to campus, you are agreeing to follow campus guidelines regarding social distancing and procedures for quarantine. If you do not follow these guidelines you are subject to the disciplinary processes outlined in the student handbook. In particular, if a student arrives to campus and violates well-documented campus policies for implementing a 14 day quarantine they will be subject to the following consequences:- For a first violation, the student in question will be required to complete 100 hours of community service, pay a $250.00 fine, and complete a 2,000 word essay with the equivalent of a B or higher before being allowed to participate in any co-curricular activity.
- For a second violation the student will be suspended for the remainder of the Fall academic term.
- For a third violation in which the student returns to campus during their suspension, the student in question will be subject to expulsion .
Will There Be a 2020 Football Season?
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Do not confuse Hilltop with technical medical jargon (although he is an expert in this area as his most recent research paper discussed cytokine cascade syndrome). When he discusses football, he gets cytokine confused with cyclone and thinks you are talking about Iowa State.
Football good, covid bad, but covid not bad enough to hurt football as football is good.