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We will soon find out. Ohio State to limit to 20,000 fans; https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29553289/ohio-state-cap-20k-fans-ban-tailgating Texas to have 50,000 fans. https://www.kvue.com/article/sports/ncaa/longhorns/texas-coronavirus-college-football-ut-austin-update-health/269-15f6a3f4-e214-4770-8c78-328fff56c9f1 Austin's Interim Health Authority Dr. Mark Escott said the City's health department was "caught off guard""My concern is that disease spread in that college-age group, and certainly in the high school age group, is going to look different from professional sports," Escott said. "It's going to impact people of color who are athletes. It's going to impact families of those athletes who are the least-resourced to get the healthcare they need. They are at higher risk than the rest of the community in terms of hospitalization and death."

Several NFL players opting out of the season https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29552849/sources-bears-starting-lineman-eddie-goldman-opts-20-season https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29551606/source-patriots-donta-hightower-opt-2020-season

HILLTOP NOTED: All we know is going by the data that is available. We can use Nebraska numbers and even go as far as to use ages 20-34. There have been 8,000 confirmed positive cases in this age bracket to date. If you use the lowest estimated multiplier, we have had at least 40,000 cases in this age bracket. To date, 141 of those people have been hospitalized and 4 of them have died. This gives us a hospitalization rate of .003 and a death rate of .0001. Even if you don't add the multiplier that the vast majority of experts say is accurate, the hospitalization rate is .017 and the death rate is ,0005. For this age class, the numbers indicate there is an extremely low likelihood the above scenario would happen. All of the above is using ages 20-34. It is widely publicized that people in their early 20s fair much better than people even 10 years older. The data suggests we are not placing these kids in a risky situation. College football should be played this fall. But what if one of those hospitalized is a Nebraska football player? I know you have answered this question with your response of "players go to the hospital all the time." I still find that argument specious i.e. superficially plausible, but actually wrong in that if we are sending football players to the hospital someone is going to ask questions. And going to the hospital to have an MRI done is not the same thing as being "hospitalized." And we are not talking about hospitalized for a rotor cuff surgery. We are talking about something that would put you in ICU or in hospital quarantine or on a ventilator. Are you willing to make the phone call to the parents? I wonder what that phone call would be like. But what if one of those who dies is a Nebraska football player? Impossible you say? Or highly implausible? Which is it? The numbers do not bear it out? It will only take ONE case in my view for the media outrage machine to come out of the wood work. Are you willing to call the family members and tell them the news and say "he knew the risks but wanted to play anyway"? I do wonder how you would word that call. And your opinion since you are a highly sought after medical expert with a medical degree with specializations in epidemiology and infectious diseases, of: This guy's a 27-yo professional athlete. "Red Sox pitcher Eduardo Rodriguez confirms he's dealing with heart issue stemming from COVID-19 infection" https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-pitcher-eduardo-rodriguez-confirms-hes-dealing-with-heart-issue-stemming-from-covid-19-infection/ Rodriguez's story is a reminder that the calculus for playing sports during the global pandemic is not simple. Rather, there is a spectrum of largely unknown side effects -- such is the nature of a novel virus -- that could have long-term ramifications, especially for professional athletes whose livelihood depends on them performing at their physical peak. Your numbers sir along with your expert clinical opinion. What is your medical advice to the President of the University of Nebraska system?

I still believe that if one student-athlete is hospitalized for Covid that the whole thing shuts down. The risk-adverse nature of administrators and the media outrage machine will force a shutdown. I would venture to say that if one student-athlete during the season will cause the whole thing to shut down as that will be the impetus to cause the media and administration to say "it is not worth it." Cancel culture will cause the cancellation of the season. But if we are going by age alone, then "who is going to coach the team?" I would think that the average age of coaches is over 35 years of age. By logic, there will be no one to coach the team but the team can play?

I am well-versed on this, probably more than you are but I am just following your logic. You are the one that put up the orthopedic evidence of a knee injury=hospitalization is the same as covid=hospitalization. If we follow your logic, then Tom Brady should NOT be playing this fall. Scott Frost should NOT be coaching this fall.

Why should they cancel? They knew the risk and understood that they could get sick. No reason for this; people die all the time; this covid is no different than the common cold. I say they cancelled for no reason and are looking foolish. Golfers know the risks and understand that they could get sick and go to the hospital; no reason to shut this down. Golfers go to the hospital all the time for things such as sprained ankles, a knee injury, a cut on their pinky, a blister on their foot from tight fitting golf shoes or, God forbid, someone not yelling "fore!!!" and getting hit in the head with a high velocity, low mass golf ball.

You are probably right that a cancelled Nebraska game does not impact the SEC. But I do think that the media outrage machine will question the wisdom which will put pressure on those conferences. There will be serious talk about what is college football really attempting to accomplish here. I will argue that your injury tracker is not about hospitalizations; those are typically orthopedic injuries and do not have ICU status. But then, hey, let's play; covid is something we have to live with; those schools that cancelled their seasons over a silly little virus that is nothing more than the common cold were foolish. No need to cancel anything. A student-athlete who gets it, hey, its no different than a sprained ankle. This is my new mantra: I will be following your logic that if a student-athlete of any age who gets it and then goes to the ICU and is on a ventilator or gets a vascular or cardiac-related situation that prevents them from playing, well, hey, that's just the risk they have to take. And if they die, no big deal, student-athletes die on occasion.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29550398/ravon-bonner-says-illinois-teammate-jake-cerny-sitting-due-covid-19-concerns Are the cracks starting to appear when two Illini players are planning on sitting out? Will we be seeing more of this?

There were no lawyers advertising on street trolleys nor was Twitter around. The media outrage machine is getting warmed up. Just remember, I called it. https://www.deseret.com/sports/2020/7/27/21340727/major-league-baseball-coronavirus-outbreak-could-mean-for-college-football-miami-marlins

You're using a solution based on conventional wisdom for an unconventional situation. Imagine the standings after six weeks with numerous postponements and cancellations along with unpredictable outbreaks and rises in cases along with resource availability coupled with high and low density population areas and 50 states with 50 different public health officials along with each schools own medical experts and their own aversion to risk aided by the fact that each state can impose travel restrictions and quarantine periods.

Ok, I will let you read it. Here is something for those who advocate the bubble approach. https://www.si.com/college/2020/07/27/college-football-bubble-obstacles-covid

But they will play football this fall, right?

Let's pick this apart. 1) Just because one hot spot shows up at a school doesn't mean the entire system would come to a halt. That school would be likely done playing football for at least a couple weeks and perhaps the season. I see your point but in this day and age, I can easily see if there is a hot spot in one part of the state, let's say Lincoln, I can bet you the rest of the state's schools will shut down. That will then potentially trigger the dominoes. Let's call it the Rudy Gobert moment. (Gee, he will be the trivia question for "what player did the NBA shut down its season in 2020?" just like Wally Pipp). The contact tracing alone could fuel this. Let's say Nebraska is scheduled to play at Iowa on Saturday, but a breakout occurs on Nebraska's campus on Thursday and school is shut down. You think Iowa is going to want to play Nebraska? Or let's say Nebraska is scheduled to play Iowa on Saturday in Lincoln and Nebraska has an outbreak on Wednesday. You think Iowa is going to come here? 2) There are College football players that have to go to the hospital every week of the season for various reasons. Kids play football knowing that bad things can happen. Covid is just added to the list now. If schools choose to play, they are doing so with the understanding that a very small percentage will get sick and perhaps sick enough to require hospital care. We are not talking about two or three cases of rhabdomyolysis here from workouts. And I was under the impression that during this covid thing that "the highest priority was student-athlete health and safety." Did this change as the closer we get to the season? This plays the game of this covid is no different than that of the common cold. Then why in the heck are we even talking about having no season or if this is no different than that of the common cold, heck, why did MSU and Rutgers suspend workouts? And if student-athletes are going to the hospital every week of the season for various reasons, I would love to know what these reasons are. Care to tell me what these reasons are? Do you want to be the head coach that has to make the phone call to the parent that their student-athlete is in the hospital with Covid? Frost is a smart dude and I think he is smart enough to know he does not want to be in this situation. As per contract, in my view, this could be the grounds for "termination for cause". No one wants to stick their neck out in either direction but the safe move is to err on the side of extreme caution. 3. Schools are going into this with eyes wide open. If you insist; who am I to argue with you. But believe you me, they are making sure the abort button is going to work.

Thanks for telling us about your experience in "taking" a class; now, tell us about your experience in "setting" up a class.

Probably for that school. False False Let's break this down: 1. You say "for that school". Why do you say that? 2. You say "false" on the aspect of one student-athlete being hospitalized for a covid-related problem. Why do you say that? 3. You say "false" on if someone gets a long term illness from covid. Why is that?

Theoretically, but not in real life. These "ideas" are constantly being tossed around but it is when you actually do it that you find out that there are severe gaps and omissions and problems. It's always easier to indicate to someone else's content area and specialty area of "this is what you can do" than to actually have to do it. Look, there is a program called Respondus that locks a computer; however, this program is not compatible with things like Chromebook or others; if the program is incompatible, then the idea of proctoring an exam in moot; and if you do want an exam proctored, the paperwork that needs to be done to find a person willing to proctor an exam is going to be a problem. Online classes via Zoom do not operate the same as they do in person because it is based on a person's pedagogy as well as the content that is being presented. Yes, a professor's knowledge and skill in tech is important but it does not work the same as a regular classroom. I do not know why people think this is so easy or the same as a regular classroom when it is totally not the same. The biggest mistake that professors made in the pivot to online in March was the attempt to replicate the same experience in a face-to-face class on a zoom forum. And it is not uncooperative professors, it is the professors and their particular pedagogy and their content. Yes, there are those professors who are unable to adapt and will hitch a fit and demand that they go face-to-face as that is their style. The idea of uncooperative professors is their willingness to convert their class to an online mode to satisfy the whims of the athletic department. And look at the tuition you are paying for "the online experience". This is where higher education administrators are freaking out about now. How can they justify their high tuition with this "online experience"? Academia is worried about their bottom line overall and not just worried about "football" and athletics. And this argument is going to come up really soon in that there will be faculty cuts and staff cuts and furloughs and "non-renewal of contracts" due to low enrollment ro not meeting enrollment numbers; THEN the faculty unions will hitch a fit over the university's decision to play football while faculty are getting axed and this will not be good optics either as these administrators wrestle with their mission as an academic enterprise vs that of being a place that has a minor league franchise. There will be discussion of some colleges filing exigency status. This is going to be a real mess.

The minute they send students home and close the entire campus because of an outbreak on campus, it is all over. The minute that one student-athlete gets sick and goes to the hospital, its all over. The minute that there is a report that someone who got covid and then reports some long term health effect, its all over. The media outrage machine will kick in. https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/max-kellerman-offers-a-fair-warning-to-the-nfl-news.115012.html

Change the word "sales" for "teaching."

Welcome. I am new here as well. A very good group of people who are passionate but they are not vulgar. A very intelligent group of people here. I have been very impressed. As far as football happening this fall, we are still waiting for the decision but we have interesting theories and very deep discussions.

Trust me, this is not as easy as it sounds. You have some students who work during the class period and will complain about that. Oh sure, you can make a class schedule and if it is face-to-face you are supposed to be there. However, when the pandemic hit, students went home and got jobs and that really messed up a schedule. Faculty had to switch around class times so that the students could meet. Like you expect the professor to be teaching 24/7? No way. When it says online, it means that the professor can establish the times that he/she demands OR they can be diplomatic and try to get a class time that fits for all the students (like herding cats in my opinion). Online classes are listed as Online and not given a class time schedule such as Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 11:00 to 11:50. Such blows the whole concept of online distance delivery based on the paradigm of "go to school at your pace and on your schedule." And if I am a professor and I have a set time to meet in the classroom I am not going to look to kindly to the person who gives the excuse of "I cannot make it, I have football practice; can I just do all my stuff online?" And there are professors who use the zoom attendance as part of the grade. Now, take all this information and couple it with the student-athlete that has a 15, or 16 or 17 or 18 hour schedule. Not all classes are created equal and not all of them are your typical 3 hour classes. Some classes could be a four hours with a separate lab component that is built into it that meets at another time. Here is an example: Biology 186 Principles of Biological Systems 1. This class meets MWF from 11:00 to 11:50; the lab portion is a one hour component to supplement the class; it meets on Tuesday from 1:30 to 3:15. Oh but the professor can meet with the student individually....sorry, that's called an independent study and no professor is going to do more than they have to. Oh but the professor can have a zoom and do a 50 minute class and simply meet for a 25 minutes to accommodate the football players....sorry, there are accreditation standards that strongly suggest that classes are to meet for the full time period and meet the prescribed "minutes"; Oh but the professor has academic freedom.....not until their Dean finds out what they are doing. No professor wants to have to explain themselves. Now, if the class is hybrid and let's say a class is to meet on Monday and Wednesday, but one half meets on Monday face to face and the other half meets on Wednesday you still have the aspect of being exposed to the general student population. If the class is completely online, you are going to have problems in scheduling a class time where all the students can meet for the Zoom at the same time. And you cannot simply have classes set aside for "just the football team" unless you have a cohort model but even this get's difficult at times as the student has a major and there are not multiple sections of an upper level course. Now, does this sound like this is "easier"? It is a logistical nightmare.

This is a non-argument. Why would the English major have to have equal access to the particle collider that the physics student has access to? Or the music major who has access to the trombone room to practice? But this is the sticking point: you are not majoring in college football. But we forgot about the college football player who may be married and/or has children to boot? Keep a father away from his kids? Or his wife? Especially when you are young? At my age and how long I have been married, sure, I dream of four months away from her (if I hear one more honey-do, I will scream) but that is not reality. And we talk about "team cohesion" but there is also the thing called "getting away from people"; you all remember living in a dorm right? The things I was involved in ruined any potential political career that I had in mind. Young men will come up with some of the most foolish things to do (and some of them sound like a good idea at the time) and there will be the aspect of fights and arguments and someone getting on someone else's nerves. I believe you will see the breakdown of team cohesion in a bubble with college students. Disaster is written all over this.

Will be impossible to do. Let's take this point by point. 1. I really think the Power 5 teams and Big Ten should really look at quarantining/separating players on campus from the larger student populations. It will be impossible due to the fact that you have a number of students who are either student-trainers, student equipment managers, work-study students in the athletic department, you still have maintenance and janitorial staff coming in to clean, you have coaches who will go home and be with spouses and children. You would have to quarantine the entire enterprise. You simply cannot just quarantine the student-athletes. And what about those student-athletes who need tutoring in an online class? Quarantine the tutors as well? 2. This would include separate dorms and fall sport athletes going to online/virtual classes. The athletic department does set up class schedules for student-athletes; but what of the upper level courses that students take that are not available online or the faculty member or department or even the college that the courses are in does not elect to go fully online and their is only one section of the class? You would essentially have an athletic department dictating the academics and this is a no-no. We know it is done but in this day and age, there are probably a lot of faculty members that want to be contrarian to the whims of the athletic department. Trust me, they are there. Here is another problem: you simply do not have "just the football" team to consider; you have the entire student-athlete population to consider as well. As well, you have different travel schedules for the other student-athletes and their sport; plus, can you imagine simply just quarantining and being in isolation and just being around the same people 24/7 without seeing any other signs of civilization? And really, what are you going to do? Put armed guards at the dorm entrance and secure all the exits so the football players do not go out? What is this? East Berlin?

For those who like to discuss game contracts and some legal jargon, here is an interesting article. This article also has some interesting info on red-shirting an entire team. https://www.si.com/college/2020/07/27/college-football-season-status-decisions-acc Aside from the difficulties the Power 5 programs will face in dealing with the deficiencies in their contracts, they’ll also have to convince a court that ‘we decided not to play’ means the same thing as ‘we can’t play.’ Much like football, that kind of ‘Hail Mary’ legal argument is rarely successful.”

I have to agree with you here. I wonder if this will have any impact on cancelling the season on Aug 4?

Hmmm...it is always on my mind. Didn't the devil go down to Georgia? Looking for a soul to steal because he was in a bind as he was way behind? I believe he took the midnight train to Georgia when the lights went out. Who are you? Tommy Chong?