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Just now, runningblind said:

Oh it's all still amazing, just not surprising. How we lose is incredible.

No one could lose like we could.  We found so many unique ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

2 hours ago, runningblind said:

I am amazed by folks who can still be stunned by anything at this point.

Things happen everyday that astound and amaze me!  Both in a good way...and a bad way.  How we lose...it is amazing.  How we won, back in the day...it was amazing.  Embrace it...

20 minutes ago, Red Five said:

 

Whipple's year 1 at his last 2 stops has been rough.  

 

Whipple's scoring offense rank by year:

 

2014 UMass #78 27.3 ppg

2015 UMass #108 22.2 ppg

2016 UMass #110 23.3 ppg

2017 UMass #47 30.6 ppg

2018 UMass #35 32.8 ppg

 

2019 Pitt #112 21.2 ppg

2020 Pitt #58 29.0 ppg

2021Pitt #3 43.0 ppg

 

For reference, Nebraska was #71 at 27.9 ppg this past year.

Pitt transitioned from a super run heavy offense to a pass heavy attack.  They did a 180°shift in philosophy.   It's not apples to apples, at all.

3 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

Not saying he can't coach but I don't anticipate our offense to be elite year 1. Hope I am surprised, and it happens though. 

I would be absolutely stunned if we were not significant more efficient next year.  I'll be happy to eat the crow if we aren't.  

4 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

No. He is the HC

Good one

6 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

How many top 10 offenses has Whipple coached in his career? 

As a coordinator in college?  In the NFL?  As a head coach?  The dudes forgotten more about the game than frost knows.

I couldn't care less how well UMASS did offensively in an arbitrary season...or anything like that.  

Not that this really matters...because players change and sos changes, but Pitt was 11th this year in yards per point and 16th in points per play.

Nebraska was 111th and 71st in those categories. 

The guy can coach, has proven it at every level, with high success going back to his head coaching job at new haven where they were dubbed the best offense in all of college football.. that was a long time ago.  Whipple will be a much better play caller and, regardless of yards, we will score way more efficiently than under frost. 

1 minute ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

Frost is a high level coordinator. His issue has been he surrounded himself with people who had far too many flaws and weaknesses that he wasnt able to cover up at the P5 level in my opinion. 

He's no Whipple. 

7 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

I'll give the staff credit. I think they absolutely did the best they possibility could with landing players from the portal. I don't think they could've reasonably done better. 

 

Will that be good enough? I personally don't think so. Without improved OLine play, it doesn't matter what talent we have at receiver or QB. If our starting QB is running for his life every 3rd passing attempt, we're going to struggle. 

I think you guys will be pleasantly surprised when you see a good coordinator call offensive plays.  It's been a while since we've had one.  Good coordinators can hide issues and magnify strengths. 

Whipple is some sort of sorcerer...

40 minutes ago, ECisGod said:

In the interview, he said he'd had the conversation with Hoiberg previously.  That tells me that he had talked to the coaches and nothing had changed.

Plus 1

24 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

Talk behind your boss' back and see how it goes.   I respect your opinion, but there is not a lot of common sense in a bench player getting the coach to change what he is doing.   In my opinion, he is lucky he is still on the team.

Kobe Webster is like #35 in the nation in career points for active players...he's played in nearly 130 games.  Starting something like 90 games in his career.  He's played a lot of basketball.  He was a star and came here, knowing it would be a diminished role and he has been nothing but a team player and a bright spot for this crap team.  To call him a bench player is very short-sided.  He is the most experienced player on this team...his value isn't just about if he starts or not.  

I personally don't see what he did as talking behind Fred's back.  It was live, on air...that's a face shot, to me.  It's not about xs and os..it seems to be about how players are held accountable by coaches,  which is lacking and it always seemed that way...now we all know it really is that way.   Kudos to the whistle-blower!

Hoiberg respects that kid and the team does too.  I'd take 15 Websters instead of some of the crap we throw out there.

We can stay on opposite ends of this argument, we'll both survive.  I think this is a good thing,  you don't.  We will move on.

4 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

Kobe knows with Trey back he will lose playing time. Webster had a strong finish last year & came back thinking he would be a starter.  What he did was wrong & disrespectful to the team.  That is the most idiotic thing I've heard, if Fred learns.  Fred is the boss and will do what he wants to do.  Kobe was probably asked if he wanted to play or move on.

Websters minutes will not go down, it'll be tominaga who loses time.  Webster has to play when verge has an "episode".

Fred is letting the inmates run the asylum.  Clearly that has caused friction throughout the team.  If this doesn't get discussed, there could be no change.   Now that it's out there, we have a chance to grow from this.  

Both coach and player stated they had good heart to heart talks and it was very productive.   Fred continues to say Webster is a good leader, despite what you say.  

Thank you kobe Webster for speaking out and sticking up for your teammates that give a sh!@.  That is what leaders do. 

BTW, we have seen what happens when Fred does what he wants to do.  It's a bunch of sorry, selfish basketball...and Webster (and probably plenty more) are tired of it.

I didn't call you an idiot, I don't see why you feel the need to do that to me...that's fine though.  You talk of disrespect and then act like a keyboard warrior...

Mark my words...this season turns around IF and only if, Fred changes what he does behind the curtain.   This circus continues if he doesn't. 

2 hours ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

Unhappy player, one who would rather rip the team down instead going through channels.  That is an issue 

I dunno, I kind of see your point.  But this has been a sinking ship the whole year, people are wondering why.  I don't think we need to wonder now.

Plus, I don't think Webster is an unhappy player and I don't think he ripped the team.  He didn't drag any particular player through the mud.  I don't think there was any ill intent.  

Personally, I think Webster is a class act.  He Maybe shared too much,  but I think it'll end up being for the best if Fred learns from this.

33 minutes ago, runningblind said:

we trade Ohio State for Indiana and Michigan State for Rutgers.

 

Maybe they are thinking we trade Ohio State for Rutgers and Michigan State for Indiana? 

I for one am happy kobe said something.  Maybe, in years past, something like that would be kind of looked down on...but these are different times.

Hoiberg has had some success, yes.  Clearly more than I have...but his last coaching gig and this one have the same issues.  Players feeling accountability is lacking and coaches letting guys feed their own agendas.

Fred can be a players coach, and give freedom within a system and still be a nut cracker when it's needed.  Right now, it's not that way.

I hope he takes a long look and adjusts his behind the scenes philosophies on program culture.  Every entity needs rules and accountability.   There is a huge difference between freedom within a system and unlimited freedom.  Checks and balances or it all crumbles to the ground.

20 minutes ago, Toe said:

 

I mean unofficially, sure. But are we really the only team in the conference where there's even a slight doubt? Are all the other teams returning last year's starter?

There is no doubt.  Anyone that has doubt is either an idiot, or wants click bait from a gullible fan base.

Bazelak and devito are portal pick ups.  

2 hours ago, Toe said:

 

Are we the only team whose QB for next year isn't decided?

It's decided.

13 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

 then proceeded to get our butts handed to us by the Illini and their backup QB.

Hey, sitkowski did finish 11050th in Heisman voting, so the loss is understandable. 

1 hour ago, krc1995 said:

Google if Joe Burrow is cocky.  

 

 

He is, I checked.  And deservedly so.

41 minutes ago, hunter49 said:

 

Thompson is too cocky for my money

I'd rather have a cocky qb than a guy who buckles under pressure.  There are very few Kurt Warner qbs out there.  Those that are awesome (rodgers, brady, mahomes) tend to be pricks on the field.    

The guys played tough tonight.  Different vibe, different energy.  Maybe the trey mcgowens effect?  Anyway, it was good to see. 

Morale victories don't really count, but THAT team will sneak out a win or two down the stretch.

I poo poo verge a lot, I get it...but he played much better tonight after hoiberg pulled him early.   End of game/half execution still leaves a lot to be desired but he played much better.

See...I don't hate on him all the time!  GBR

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

Sooo....neither worked out for us.

I guess I just choose not to put all juco players in the same box.  It's OK that you do that, it's just not for me.

We screwed up bell.  Mills got dinged a bunch...two different stories.  Grant has a chance to provide immediate help at a position of need.  

I'm happy he's coming here & can't wait to see what he brings to the room. 

35 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I guess I find myself not being too excited.  We've gotten top JUCO players at certain positions before that come in and don't do anything.  Hope he's different.

Greg bell was more than serviceable.   He proved that at San Diego state.  Mills was good enough, just couldn't stay healthy.  

RBs typically have the easiest transition from one league to the next.  I'm just hoping our new rb coach gets that room in order.  

I like the signing.  But like you said...could be a bust.

I am gonna buy low with Grant.  Very little risk, high reward.

His tape in juco is phenomenal.  Good vision,  good burst, good top end speed.  Good hands out of the backfield.

Granted, the holes were mostly ginormous...but the guy clearly has skills.  If we don't ruin him, he could be a friggin steal.  

I cant blame it all on verge tonight.  We are just so, so bad as a unit right now.  Next season can't get here fast enough!

It might not be better...but at least we can have a bit of hope.

1 hour ago, huskerfan99 said:

Wow at this point who isn’t in the portal?!?!?

This dude is a stud.  If we have room for another, he'd be great.  He'll be good anywhere though.