Nebraska55fan

10 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Apparently a decent amount because they moved Verdu to the sideline this year and Martinez has talked about how it makes going over things easier.

 Mrs Verduzco- the support you show for your husband is very admirable, given his lack of success here at Nebraska and his bizzare look- but if you love him, more power to you. I won't judge you if you have some type of Hobbit fetish. Just be a bit more subtle, you're giving it away. 

3 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

You have yet to prove me wrong because you never have any examples.  Everything is just stuff you have "seen".

 

It's pretty odd that you claim to have done all this film study so you obviously do have a bunch of free time.

You have all the film clips- why dont YOU show us the plays where the TE has led up plays as an ISO> 

I watch the game LIVE- then once through after. I dont save the clips or go back to archive it or spend hours of my day searching clips so I can prove you wrong again. 

Just yesterday= so Noah Vedral was well developed according to you, yet threw 9 TDs and 8 Ints last season and is averaging just 6.5 yards an attempt over his career.  Ok- got it, thanks. I realize that's Nearly 20 TDs and 7 yards by your definition- but the real numbers just dont add up. 

2 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Yep, as usual you never have any examples of these thing you supposedly see all the time.  And things you claim you haven't seen when you are given examples you are dismissive or move the goalposts.

 Mavric- Sorry, I don't have the time to go through every film clip and prove you wrong again. I really do have a life outside this free anonymous message board. 

But feel free to share another twitter poll from some nobody yahoo that ranks Nebraska in their top 25, that will certainly quench all our koolaid thirsts. 

45 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Please point me to some examples.

 Sorry, I dont have the time or inclination to search through all the game film- Ive seen it. I have a life- things to do other than prove you wrong on a free anonymous message board. 

9 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

We pretty much always kick out with the TE.  I don't recall us ever sealing outside.

Yes, they have made that a LOG block a number of times to seal a crashing DE inside AND the TE has gone to second level wide to get the LB as well. 

1 minute ago, TheSker said:

I know a team that had their running back carry a ball throughout the day 

 

That team was Nebraska 

 

The coach was Scott Frost 

 

But thanks for your input 

I don't think it's our RBs who have been coughing the ball up of late

Our QB has led the nation in fumbles- that may be the fella we want to get better and carrying the football- you know- the guy who fumbled in the scrum in the last minute in our own territory to hand the game to Michigan, same guy who did a fumble 6 to Illinois which ended up being the margin of victory. 

So your input might not be pertinent to the issue we seem to be having. 

44 minutes ago, TheSker said:

Most every team does stuff.like this.

 

Including Nebraska.

 Some teams are insane about it. One team I knew had their top RBs carry a ball around for almost the entire practice. People punching at it constantly- coaches, trainers, players. If the ball came out everyone on the offense ran- even the coaches. 

In indys, some have multiple tug and punch out drills, then when in skeleton they have boxing gloves on coaches, punching the ball. Then on air- same thing- fit and freeze more of the same. Even seen the entire D swarm on a ballcarrier during a team fit drill- and they are all trying to get at the ball. 

Not all teams practice alike, with the same amount of reps, commitment, intensity. THATS why some coaches do better than others- they all aren't carbon copies of each other. 

16 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

You still continue to confuse facts an opinions.  

9 TDS and 8 Ints is not where you want your starting QB to be at

Hes starting at RUTGERS- Rutgers. The perennial Big 10 bottom feeder. That enough facts for ya?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/noah-vedral-1.html

2 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

You keep insisting that a guy that had no Power 5 offers out of high school but is now as starting Power 5 QB after spending three years with this staff is somehow a failure.  There is noting to back this up other than you want it to be true.

It's Rutgers- they are terrible. Saw him play here and on TV for Rutgers. He is not a very good QB. Those are facts. 

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

That seems to be downplaying the fact that there are 10 other teammates on the field

That seems to be downplaying the mistakes AM has made that are many times independent of the actions of his team mates, fumbling, throwing into double coverage, not taking an easy first down running with lots of green= instead holding onto the ball and taking a sack, overthrowing swing passes or wide open medium length throws etc It isn't all on the QBs, but when you resolve him of all or most of his mistakes- it isn't credible or helpful to him either. 

4 minutes ago, HuskerNation1 said:

 

Sorry but you do not hold back the playback and wait to open up the offense for an entire half, spotting a top 10 team a 13-point lead.  The 1st half playcalling was a major mistake that could have been prevented.

I totally agree with you. I was being sarcastic= another poster has been adamant about running lots of Inside Zone to "set up" the 2 TDs Allen and Martinez

You dont need to run it 10-15 times to set up the complementary play. 

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

Were the WRs running the right routes?  Were they in the position they should have been?

 

Do you think that could make a QB hesitant or questioning to throw it or not?

 That seems to be "downplaying the problem" of poor decision making, fumbles, throwing into double coverage, not hitting simple swing passes etc

5 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

Note that you switched topics on me there.

 

I wasn't talking about special teams at all, but rather finishing games out with power running in the fourth quarter. I've got a well-documented history here of pointing out our years-long problems on special teams.   

You said this" Easy to fixate on the bad punt against MSU, or Martinez's fumble against Michigan -"

So I addressed that special teams and turnovers aren't a one game thing- recency bias. Not fixating on something that rarely happens. 

1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

I get it....I said early on in this conversation.  You think our QB coaching sucks.  I don't agree.

Sure and I don't agree in your opinion that it doesn't suck-  I get it. 

6 minutes ago, HuskerNation1 said:

 

I personally think the play calling overall has been better this year and it has played to Martinez's strengths as a mobile QB. The 2 exceptions were the Illinois game and the first half of the Michigan game where the play calling sucked and did not get Martinez on the move.  

 

 

 Nope- the Michigan game they ran all those inside zone- inside zone read plays- for little gain- to set up the ONE nice play action throw to Allen for the TD and the Martinez keeper.  IN College football to set a team up- you don't run the set up run play 2-3 times- you throw away 10-15 of them 

2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Luke was a chance taken that didn't work out.  That happens to every coaching staff known to man.  Vedral was developed as far as he was going to go.

 

Let me ask you this.  Why is Martinez so much better this year than last year?

So- they made a mistake choosing Luke- which was an evaluation mistake- on Coach V. He chose wrong and or couldn't coach him up

Looks like the very same thing happened to Vedral  0-2. 

Let me ask you this- Why do you think he missed on those other than "it didn't work out"?

Let me ask you this- Why do you think Martinez has chocked so badly late in games?

Martinez has certainly been more decisive, he has chosen not to throw into double coverage and has been somewhat more safe (not safe enough) with the ball. Seems like he isn't as late to run as in the last 2 seasons. He has a legit deep threat of course with Toure- but the RBs are really not significantly better than in years past. One would hope that any QB in the same system for 4 years would make progress. 

3 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

And, his shoulder injury couldn't have anything to do with this.

 

And..."a few routes..." is a nice way of down playing the problem.  If he can't trust them to run the right route, he's still going to be hesitant throwing the ball assuming they are going to run it correctly.

 You cant put everything on his receivers- but sure go ahead. 

Again- how does that affect him being able to throw a simple swing pass, overthrow wide open medium depth routes- CHOOSE to throw into double coverage, lead the nation in fumbles?

Just now, BigRedBuster said:

And, his shoulder injury couldn't have anything to do with this.

And how does that affect our selection of Luke as our only QB recruit in his class? His lack of development?

Same for Vedral?

Most QBs are going to be injured at some point in their college careers. It's football. 

5 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Were the WRs running the right routes?  Were they in the position they should have been?

 

Do you think that could make a QB hesitant or questioning to throw it or not?

 You cant blame all of AMs problems on a few routes that were run wrong. Plenty of routes run correctly and receivers open- he couldn't even throw a simple swing pass- overthrew wide open medium depth receivers, missed wide open guys, threw into double coverage, led the nation in fumbles, failed to take easy first downs with open green instead holding onto the ball- to get sacked- it's a long list. Not all on his receivers. It is what it is. Hes playing better in his 4th year, but when you combine his progress with the lack of progress with our other QBs- that just doesn't give most people confidence in the QB coaches ability. 

48 minutes ago, TheSker said:

What is the "long haul"?

Since they got here. 

21 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

I believe he is MUCH better this year than year one.  I also believe that he regressed some in year two.  I also believe that a major portion of that was caused by talent around him and not being healthy.

 

With those two major issues, it's very difficult to tell, as a fan, if he regressed due to lack of coaching.

 

Luke was Luke and he was never and will never be a good QB.

 

With that, again, no way to tell how Smothers or Haarberg is going to turn out.  I do know that these coaches were successful elsewhere coaching QBs.

 

You have made it very clear that you think our QB coaching sucks.  I knew that when I made the comment.  I don't agree.

 

Do you believe there are other issues that can cause a QB to not progress as we would hope other than coaching?

Of course there are other reasons- but when you measure progress did you really see a technically better, decisive and more savy QB in year 2 than in year 1 with AM? Year 2 and year 3?

Good QB coaches should be able to make serviceable QBs out of the kids THEY decided they WANTED right? Coach V- is absolutely involved in evaluating, recruiting AND coaching QBs. He struck out with Luke in regards to that. Same with Vedral. As far as I see- he is 0-3 here at NU. Based on that I have little confidence our young QBs will progress much under his tutelage. 

And yes it is the position coaches job to be the "mind coach" for the players he is coaching. Does the melt downs late in games come from an upstairs issue with AM? The numbers are just insane when you look at them. Cant score on the last drive to win/tie, can't close games out. Coach V is supposed to be this QB whisperer- I just don't see it. 

4 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

 

Easy to fixate on the bad punt against MSU, or Martinez's fumble against Michigan - but if we had a decent offensive line that could do this, those two games would have been iced and over with the 'W.'

Our turnover and special teams issues are not a one game aberration. One might make a case for the aberrations are the games we have done ok in special teams and turnover margin. They seem to be improving, but the numbers are the numbers. 

7 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

There is a lot more to being a QB than arm strength.....and players do develop more as they are in the program.

Totally agree. 

Do you feel Martinez progressed much from year 1-2?  2-3?

How about Luke? How well did he progress while he was here ?

Vedral?

Because that's what we are talking about here. Haarberg- season 1 to 2

SMothers- season 2 to 3

What is the track record there over the long haul with our QBs coach making our QBs a lot better than when they arrived?

1 hour ago, ZRod said:

It actually looks like it's an iso play and 83 was supposed cut up inside and block the MLB. Adrian is clearly running the play like it's designed to stay inside the tackle.

 If the play is as you suggest- it would be the first time we've run it. 

However we have run the play with the TE sealing outside before. 

3 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

The problem is, no real way for us as fans to know that.  Sure, we have seen Smothers a little bit in games.  But, still, that's not a good enough sample size to know.  How can you say you're not impressed with Haarberg?  We haven't even seen him in games yet.

I was at the Spring Game and watched some of his HS film. Big arm, accuracy issues. Smothers- didn't see the arm strength- or great accuracy either.