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What's the technology on the sideline in high school he's referring to? Been a long time since I've gone to a high school game and even then they were D1 and D2 Nebraska games.

Huh, count me in the camp of also never knowing that the field was slightly off center.

1 hour ago, Enhance said:

Every year, fan bases debate the value of a specific qb coach, and it almost always boils down to anecdotal examples of where one apparently worked and one apparently didn't.

Realistically, we might just all have to agree that perhaps there's more nuance to it all.

Same thing when Martinez got offseason help from Calhoun. People used it as an indictment against Tim Beck, while conveniently failing to realize that the same qb guru worked with Heisman trophy winner Jameis Winston the year before and it's a common practice for great quarterbacks as much as good all-the-way-down to bad ones.

42 minutes ago, gobiggergoredder said:

Malzhan hasn't done much without Newton.

I won't stand for this Gene Chizik erasure.

22 minutes ago, Mavric said:

Interesting that Rhule got off on a tangent about we should be on the other sideline.  

He didn't actually say that and when asked a follow up with a chance to be clear he chose not to, but it was interesting to see the comments off the cuff. He probably would like to switch but understands how it would piss off a lot of legacy ticket holders.

2 hours ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Here you go, I backed the data up 5 more years, and included trendlines. 

 

Cool thanks, so if I'm understanding your heel digging properly, you think that in 2023 we are still very much trending downward right?

6 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

I see this as a problem also, but I don’t know how it can be fixed legislatively. 

I'm out of my depths in this conversation but one legislative aid that would presumably help somewhat would be some sensible limits or guidelines surrounding wall street and companies like AirBnB buying up huge swaths of homes everywhere.

1 hour ago, LumberJackSker said:

Stick with haarberg this season, then send him to who ever worked with Taylor Martinez to make him a serviceable passer while also bringing in a transfer qb and let them battle in the spring and fall camp.

I don't think this is what you're saying so I'm not saying this to you directly, but T-Mart was never as bad a passer as people made him out to be then or now. He was raw and swimming in the offense his freshman year, but he showed how high his ceiling was as a passer against Oklahoma State (not only were the numbers good but he looked really good slinging it around that day). Then the high ankle sprain, but then on top of that he was dealing with debilitating turf toe all his sophomore year (the infamous "How to Throw the Perfect Pass with Taylor Martinez" youtube video is from this year and the ugly nature of it is very related to the turf toe). 

His improvement in 2012 was mostly related to proper footwork (very little coaching on his arm mechanics) via his offseason qb guru and the first time he'd been in the same offensive system for more than a single season.

8 hours ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

When Bo Pelini beat Dabo we were a program in decline and they were a program on the rise. 

That happened Jan 1, 2009 at the end of the 2008 season.

3 hours ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Look at your chart and notice that the lines before and going towards 2008 show Nebraska going up and Clemson going down.

I'm really not even 1% angry and I had a really fun weekend. I genuinely asked how you figured what you said, and then you responded by changing your argument (and then changing it again). Now like Mavric said, depending on what scale of time you're looking at you can make any argument you want, but if you're going to say from 2000 and then show this graph, at the very least Clemson has virtually no 'program on the rise' upward trend from 2000-2008 and at best you'd only be half right with that added and not-clear-at-the-start reference window. You even admitted as much:

8 hours ago, Born N Bled Red said:

When Bo Pelini beat Dabo... they were a program on the rise. 

3 hours ago, Born N Bled Red said:

before 2009, what does Nebraska's trend line look like? Hmm- steadily going down. And Clemson's? Stabilized. 

33 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

What happened after that season and in the ensuing season? Put the 20 year win totals on a line graph for each team and compare. Clemson's program was on the rise, Nebraska's was experiencing a dead cat bounce. I was jokingly conjecturing that Clemson somehow stole our MOJO when we won that game, as their program continued on to Natty's and ours continued on to Riley and Frost. 

You said when Bo beat Clemson, not after. But to answer the initial question, both programs went through a few years of being on the rise, jumping in and out of the top 10, with some big wins and some big losses. It took until 8 years after that Gator Bowl for Dabo to surpass Pelini's win percentage and for them to jump up into the 'great' category.

So when you said "When Bo Pelini beat Dabo we were a program in decline and they were a program on the rise." did you actually mean "8 years after Bo Pelini beat Dabo, in 2015, we were a program in decline and they were a program on the rise."...?

25 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Pretty sure you only need to read this thread to see where people have claimed that throwing motions can't be changed.

Seems abundantly clear the furthest the argument has gotten is that it's usually difficult and rarely successful; not that it's blanket statement impossible.

1 minute ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

When Bo Pelini beat Dabo we were a program in decline and they were a program on the rise. Maybe we somehow stole our MOJO back from them 

How do you figure? We were coming off Callahan's barely .500 tenure and beat Clemson to the tune of a 9 win season in year one, whereas Clemson was coming off 8-8-9 win seasons and were preseason #9 before going 7-6 for their lowest win total in four years.

There's a huge disconnect between drill work specifically tailored towards mechanical perfection and a game environment where your brain is having to process a million more things and your body resorts to what it wants to do most naturally.

That being said, yes throwing motions (and general mechanics) can be changed - nobody has claimed otherwise. Hell look at Aaron Rodgers' college release. For me there's two complimentary ideas; the first is that for every successful fundamental mechanic change there's 50 that never stick, and the second is that when it does stick it's probably as much a byproduct of mental comfort and processing getting much better as it is a specific devotion to trying to retool a throwing motion. 

Hartzog has plenty of room to grow but is also tasked with a very tough assignment being alone on an island on the wide side of the field with our scheme being heavily weighted towards stacking the box, sending pressure and stopping the run. I'm guessing that White understands and accepts the reality that he will occasionally get beat.

16 hours ago, Big Red Viking said:

Fidone is a 5 star that can't catch.  

I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking this.

I haven't been wowed or underwhelmed with Fidone overall - he's getting targets, and he's playing ok, but he really strikes me as having pretty mediocre to bad hands. I've seen at least 3 passes on the season that were very catchable balls and he looks as if his hands are cinder blocks

I think he's still got plenty of upside and with more game reps will become more comfortable but thus far I haven't seen a single play from him that seems to represent his elite high school potential.

1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

I forgot about the one-possession loss curse. When we were up 17-9 with plenty of time still on the clock, I was feeling pretty confident we would win. If I felt that way, I guess the players did, too, and that's good news for a team with lots of young unproven players. 

While I definitely would affirm the narrative that our team is getting mentally tougher and learning how to win and how to expect to win, I think this is overblown (not by you, but as a general sentiment across the fanbase).

First of all, we were 4-3 after seven games in 2019, including two one possession wins against Illinois and NW (the latter of which we were doing everything we could to give the game away), and second, people seem to have hazy memory of how the team's competitiveness improved last year under Mickey Joseph, winning similar tough and ugly games against Indiana, Rutgers and Iowa.  

33 minutes ago, Hayseed said:

Because then we would have another win.

No we wouldn't.

Wasn't sure where to put this but this is a bummer, even if it's not surprising:

But Mr. Stewart and Apple executives had disagreements over some of the topics and guests on “The Problem,” two of the people said. Mr. Stewart told members of his staff on Thursday that potential show topics related to China and artificial intelligence were causing concern among Apple executives, a person with knowledge of the meeting said. As the 2024 presidential campaign begins to heat up, there was potential for further creative disagreements, one of the people said.

A representative for Apple declined to comment.

1 hour ago, Fru said:

I’m not sure why so many around the CFB and sports world are scoffing at these allegations. The Schiano interview shows that he clearly knew what Michigan was up to. 

The Schiano interview doesn't show anything clearly. But here's some context that does make it more clear:

https://headtopics.com/us/rutgers-greg-schiano-explains-halftime-comment-penalties-after-loss-to-michigan-45057247

Rutgers’ Greg Schiano explains halftime comment, penalties after loss to Michigan

 

Schiano was asked about those three penalties in his halftime interview with the Big Ten Network, and his answer was cryptic: “There is some stuff going on out there, so we just have to slow it down. There are some things going on that aren’t right as well. So we’ll talk about how to handle it.”“Just the nuances of the game,” Schiano said. “I was frustrated with a few things. headtopics.com

Down 17-7, the Scarlet Knights faced a second-and-10 were at the Michigan 35-yard line. After quarterback Gavin Wimsatt failed to connect with wide receiver Isaiah Washington, a Wolverines defensive back celebrated effusively. A nearby referee thought it was too much and threw a flag that would have gifted Rutgers a first down at the Michigan 20-yard line.

Schiano said he received an explanation for the rescission of the call, but he did not want to share it. There was plenty of that for Schiano and company at the Big House on Saturday. The Scarlet Knights felt they could compete with the two-time defending Big Ten champions, and in the first two-and-a-half minutes, they were on the right path. But then came the first penalty, a sign of self-inflicted wounds to come, and things soon began to slowly unravel for Rutgers. headtopics.com

8 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

OK...but can we get them the ball?

 

 

Wow those are slow 40 times even I could easily beat that.

5 hours ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

While funny, it's important to remember that the American Public doesn't want any of that to happen. Compromise is seen as caving to your political enemy.

 

Politics in America play out exactly how the public wants it to. Everybody thinks their fire-breathing Congressman/Congresswoman is great, it's the other party that has the wackos holding us back! Similarly, Americans love their geriatric Senators, it's the other state's Senators who have dementia! 

This just isn't true for the majority of the american public, who identify as either independent or mixed and do not fall into any ideological extreme.

3 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

I appreciate you looking that up, however, my question was geared towards the 2005ish withdrawal from Gaza and why haven’t the people who run Gaza built an independent water system since then.  Why continue to rely on their mortal enemy who they don’t even recognize? 

They have, to some extent, along with other services (it's already been pointed out in this thread that Israel only 'controls' somewhere between 11-33% of the water of Gaza). We already except Hamas' control as a given negative that wastes and steals resources, and in addition to that you have something like a third of the water turned off, you have a bombardment (which destroys facilities and utilities), and you have a blockade (can't run a desalination plant or a waste water plant without electricity or fuel).

Gaza has struggled with a water crisis for decades. The region – one of the most densely populated in the world – has no reliable source of surface water. Its only main freshwater supply is a shallow aquifer. Over-pumping from Gaza and surrounding countries, including Israel, has severely depleted the aquifer in recent years, increasing its salinity. Seawater intrusion, wastewater and agricultural run-off have also contaminated it. The UN says that 97 per cent of the aquifer’s groundwater doesn’t meet World Health Organization (WHO) water quality standards. As a result, most of Gaza’s population relies on private water tankers and small-scale desalination plants to supply drinking water.

 

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Prior conflicts with Israel have also severely damaged Gaza's water system. In recent years, Israel and Egypt have also restricted the import of equipment needed to maintain water infrastructure, including water pumps. This, along with a lack of investment, has prevented Gaza from making repairs meaning the region's water system was outdated and incapable of meeting demand even before the current crisis. "The conflict is disrupting already unreliable water availability in Gaza for millions of people," says Peter Gleick at the Pacific Institute, a water think tank in California.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2398073-why-the-gaza-water-crisis-is-decades-in-the-making/

'local eyeball test high school talent evaluator genius' is one of my favorite and one of the most entertaining subcategories of huskerboard posters

10 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

No doubt.   
 

Why hasn’t Gaza used its billions upon billions of aid to build its own sufficient water source again?  It’s not like it all went to humanitarian aid 

7 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

That Gaza has on ocean coastline and desalinization plants are a thing and it gets billions of aid that could be put towards that technology instead of terror 

Found some interesting info. One of the main answers to your questions is because of Military Order 158, which did two things in 1967:

• First, it completely consolidated all power over all water resources and infrastructure in the occupied palestinian areas under Israeli control.

• Second, it blocks Palestinians from constructing any new water installations without obtaining a permit from the Israeli army. Can't drill wells, deepen existing wells, install pumps, access the Jordan River or even collect rain water without very difficult to obtain permission.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Military_Order#:~:text=158 (1967)%3A "Order Amending,Order No.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/027/2009/en/

3 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

I believe they did.  
 

Interesting part about that is social media being in its infant stages so not as many people being able to immediately disseminate the correct info and them having to rely on the false narratives that were presented by “News outlets”.   Also better technological video feeds 15 years later.  

What's the reason to think there wouldn't be the same proportionate number of people not being able to immediately disseminate the false info in the first place?

"Misinformation was worse in 2008 than it is in 2023" is an... interesting take.

16 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Hell, it it were 15 years ago, Israel would still get blamed for the hospital situation.  Luckily for them, technology has evolved to root out those lies. 

News outlets didn't have the ability to get quotes from the IDF or obtain video recordings in 2008?

48 minutes ago, admo said:

Yeah um it's just my opinion and observations on OSU QBs I guess...  just me... 

 

PS. see post above this

The TikTok is funny, and no doubt CJ Stroud is standing out as a surprising gem.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just asking questions. Mostly in relation to the idea of them being busts - most of them were either not drafted, not drafted as quarterbacks or drafted in late rounds. Fields really doesn't suck either; I'd say that's evidenced by his numbers being average in the league, and when a team has had about 50 sucky quarterbacks in a row that means its not the quarterbacks.