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This was barely a month ago.

we're still on the 'elected representatives in the US government aren't necessarily in a position of leadership' gaslight?

It's going to be a long process. Maybe not as long as it was for Rhule at Temple or Baylor with the added advantages of the portal and NIL, but on the other side I think Rhule has a clear several year vision on how he wants to build for success long-term which will test the patience of everyone wondering, "WHY CAN'T WE WIN NOW?"

If we do get to 6 wins in year one it will be a remarkable achievement as a byproduct of a good foundation and trajectory being set, but I'm not expecting much.

As I understand it, Russia said it's either this or nothing and the guy's family seems to understand and support the decision.

Best writing Star Wars has ever had. And I mean ever. 

What a great series - I'm absolutely shocked it actually made it out of the Disney machine.

The questions about Hunter being investigated by people on this board are almost entirely not questions about why he's being investigated but questions and mockery about why the GOP cares so much and how lame their constant spinning is.

Edit: Actually after a cursory glance using the search function it's very easy to find several posters (who critical thinking can tell us are the ones being referenced) explicitly saying they're fine with Hunter being investigated, and...really zero questions about why he's being investigated.

I'll add myself to the list. I'm fine with Hunter being investigated and charged if there's evidence of crimes. Something tells me that literally nobody is anything other than fine with that.

21 minutes ago, NebraskaHarry said:

Do you think Roger Stone gets his crack from the nice part of town or the ugly part of town? Nice part, right? I imagine he goes to the same guy Trump Jr goes to. 

So many people have stories of getting hit with batteries and bags of urine and having their cars keyed or tires punctured. It's all very infamous...enough so that about 95% of it is bulls#!t.

On 12/7/2022 at 7:12 AM, talaricohusker said:

How do you know he’s going to the packers??? Do you have some magical crystal ball that’s telling you that cuz I’m not seeing it anywhere 

He was offered the Packers DC job two years ago and said no. 

1 hour ago, JJ Husker said:

Okay. You do you. But I have to ask, what’s the purpose almost 30 years later?

The next poster after you just said "But I’m disgusted now and it does change the way I view our program’s history.", which is kind of at least part of the purpose.

For me, I've personally been duped and seen too many others duped into whitewashed versions of history and glowing admiration for supposed heroes way too many times. Recognizing and naming and holding space for all of the dark and ugly parts of history is part of the process of going forward in a way that's healthy. 

Also, bored and posting on a messageboard for no purpose other than entertainment lol.

24 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

This is a bad take imo.

All programs were held to a different standard in the 90s. It wasn’t just Nebraska with these problems. We just happened to be successful in that time period. Probably best to not use 2010s and 2020s standards to judge the 90s in hindsight. Seems revisionist.

I'm using both current standards and the standards of the time. 

TO's meddling with the law, recruiting troubled kids with the narrative of being an off-the-field mentor and savior but the practicality of using them to win, and lenient punishments/excuses for serious offenses aren't only a black stain from a modern lens - they were a violation of cultural standards of the time as well; hence the infamous SI article and plenty others:

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1997/sep/20/trouble-at-the-top-nebraskas-tom-osborne-has-seen/

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Trouble At The Top Nebraska’s Tom Osborne Has Seen School’s Shiny Image Tarnished

 

Sat., Sept. 20, 1997

Tom Osborne might have repaired Nebraska’s damaged image in two years since Lincoln became the crime capital of college football, but the thin line between sainthood and Satan, between right and wrong, can be breached in the matter of one weak moment.

Osborne, who coaches football like a traveling preacher, has not strayed from this message through the most trying times. His moral compass always points toward spirituality even as society’s ever-encroaching corruption circles Lincoln.

...

 

Phillips’ was perhaps the worst of several transgressions exposed after Osborne’s first national championship, after the sad-sack, second-place coach finally reached the pinnacle of college football.

But it was Christian Peter, an outstanding, 6-foot-2, 290-pound defensive tackle from New Jersey who further sullied the program’s image.

Peter was arrested five times from 1991 through ‘93 for exposing himself to a female student, urinating in public and failing to comply with a police officer’s orders, among other indiscretions. Despite the problems, Osborne played Peter because the tackle met his requirements after each incident.

He has remained loyal to Peter, critics say to a fault. “It seems he has blinders on when it comes to the players, even now,” said one who refused to be identified.

Osborne continued to stand by Peter even after two women, including a former Miss Nebraska, filed sexual assault and harassment charges against the player. Peter, signed by the New York Giants this year, allegedly groped the pageant winner in a downtown Lincoln bar. He pleaded guilty to third-degree assault. In a session for his athletes, Osborne lectured football players with ecclesiastic zeal.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-09-sp-973-story.html

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Nebraska Ought to Be Ashamed
 

NOV. 9, 1995 12 AM PT

Nebraska Coach Tom Osborne has reinstated his football player, Lawrence Phillips, to full status as his team’s star running back.

And the sky is blue and grass is green and a pie is round and the Pope is Catholic. And water’s wet, blood is red and the sun rises in the East.

He runs the 40 in 4.3, doesn’t he? What else do you need to know?

Oh, he burst into an apartment, not his own, on the night of Sept. 10, found his former girlfriend, Kate McEwen, there, pushed her into a bathroom, knocked her down and dragged her down three flights of stairs by her hair.

But, hey! Boys will be boys! Right?

“I wouldn’t call it a beating,” Coach Osborne was quoted as protesting in the Lincoln papers that week.

Oh? What would you call it, coach? A sock hop? A new dance, maybe?

At first, Osborne announced he had kicked the fellow off the team.

A lot of us who have been through this before sat back and waited.

It wasn’t a long wait. The ink was hardly dry on the coach’s first pronouncement before a second was forthcoming. Now, Phillips would not be suspended permanently, he would be “suspended indefinitely.”'

 

...

 

Just once you wish the coach would say: “Look! I had to fight 50 other colleges to recruit this guy. I’m trying to win the national championship here. I’ll probably be going to the Fiesta Bowl, where I’ll have to face a team that probably has a backfield full of Lawrence Phillipses. You’re going to ask me to sit down three or four touchdowns and 200 yards?! Get real!”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1995/09/13/nebraska-tarnished-by-trouble/f8c79be9-280a-496e-a172-3821bf941b84/

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NEBRASKA TARNISHED BY TROUBLE

 

September 13, 1995
 

...But now, having finally beaten the Hurricanes, the Cornhuskers find themselves joining them in the public corner of shame. While Miami -- now under NCAA investigation -- flaunted its outlaw image, Nebraska had gained a sort of dignity in defeat for its diligent, if ultimately unsuccessful, approach. Now Nebraska's list of transgressions has grown too long to ignore.

 

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"We've been portrayed, I guess, as Miami, or whatever," Osborne said. "I don't personally see it quite that bad. I think we have great character level. You have to understand, we have 150 players; there will be from three to five incidents every year, certainly, simply because you have that number of young men."

Said Athletic Director Bill Byrne: "We have had a few unfortunate incidents, and for that we're very, very remorseful. And we're going to do our best to make sure these types of things don't happen again. . . . It reflects on the whole state and it reflects on our university, and we don't want to have that type of perception."

It might be too late.

"I think it's, like, downing" the school's reputation, said Danny Kreis, a sophomore at the school. "It kind of looks down on us, that it's the kind of people we are."

29 minutes ago, DefenderAO said:

How do we get excited for this when Mathis, arguably much more highly touted, did zero this year?  I guess it's all in conjunction with the new staff's ability to develop and meld the talent.  Our offensive grabs yielded much more than the Defensive side.

Mathis' production was in line with his previous three years. 

27 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

And....they think Twitter should have shown the d!(k pics to help Trump win...even though they have pornographic rules that they would have violated.

Just as a technical aside... pornographic material is not actually against twitter's ToS (current or past afaik), but posting stuff like that without consent of the person categorically is. 

But, yes. In terms of censorship, the two points of criticism are that A. twitter obliged Biden's campaign's requests to not allow Hunter's nudes to be posted (as well as obliging the White House/Trump in similar ways) and that B. twitter stopped the sharing of the NYP story about the laptop due to a policy of not allowing info acquired via hacking to be distributed. 

Taylor had a vintage Husker defense in 2010 - 9th in the nation in points allowed. We would have been Big XII champs if it wasn't for Mike Caputo stomping on his ankle in the A&M game. Then we would've played UCONN in the Fiesta Bowl - likely a 12-2 season.

3 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

I figured the “but Trump” crowd would chime in soon.  
 

If we all just moved on with our day, there wouldn’t be much of a message board now would there. 

On the contrary, moving on doesn't mean moving on from everything, but moving on to something more interesting, or at least something relevant to the topic of censorship.

We don't know what's on his laptop, and it's in the hands of the FBI being investigated. Speculation about the contents of the laptop itself is, in addition to being boring, off-topic.

Imagine the worst case scenario result of what is on Hunter Biden's laptop and what it means. 

Now imagine how even after the worst case scenario it's still absolutely mundane in comparison to the new established standards of unethical behavior re: politicians and their kids.

Then go ahead and move on with your day.

38 minutes ago, Hilltop said:

Well said.  I think it is ok to say what happened back then was terrible while at the same time allowing TO some forgiveness.  Problems were prominent throughout all levels of football.  The NFL all the way down to college really started to take a harder stance with zero tolerance policies in the early 2000s.

The issue isn't so much that this stuff happened under his watch (I mean, that is still an issue, but not the one being focused on right now); it's moreso that TO perpetuated a myth that he and this place were different, and that we all happily ignored inconvenient truths to believe it. It's one thing to protect sexual assault felons and players charged with attempted manslaughter - it's another to from the same mouth espouse that we run an ethical, noble, stoic, Christian program without stain. "More Than Winning".

38 minutes ago, Hilltop said:

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that TO really was trying to balance what was best for Nebraska and the troubled young men he was coaching. 

And what was best for himself to be successful and stay on top.

38 minutes ago, Hilltop said:

I'll ask this, if Nebraska wasn't winning championships, would Sports Illustrated, or any other major publication, have even mentioned it? 

Would we have been winning championships at all if we weren't recruiting ethically dubious kids?

2 hours ago, Hilltop said:

We are living in a different day and age and the standards by which we are judging him and his actions weren't the norm back then.  

Then why were these things issues back then? There was an entire sports illustrated article about it....back then. 

1 hour ago, Hilltop said:

Was he participating in an illegal act by tampering with police investigations?  Or was he trying to keep a young man's name out of the media and publics light because he believed a person is innocent until proven guilty. 

Yes.

10 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

And for a few games there it looked like he had Nebraska's first 1,000 yard rusher in years, too.

Anthony Grant's disappearance happening at the same time as Frost's departure is not a coincidence imo.

33 minutes ago, Skerbaby said:

Its also pretty much bull$%^&.  Just like Frank getting all these student pregnant and every coach since then assaulting people/drinking too much/ having affairs etc.  I have family on the police force in Lincoln and I worked in the media there during the late 90s. Those things were usually unfounded.  

"I don't tell Tom Osborne how to run the football department," Lancaster County Attorney Gary Lacey says, "and he should stay out of the criminal justice system. He hasn't done that at all."

1 hour ago, knapplc said:

I'd like to say I can't believe they hired Mickey after that incident 30 years ago, but the more I hear about Osborne the more I can 100% believe it.

For all the good Osborne's done and the good qualities he possesses as a person, which are plenty, he really bought into his own hype so much in a way that resulted in too much damage and carnage to others.

1 hour ago, Mavric said:

 

How many extra games they play obviously depends on how many upsets there are.  But a team playing in the opening round games could play 17 games under this scenario.

Couldn't they play 18 if they played Hawaii?

3 hours ago, nic said:

Trump finally lost it completely. Terminate the constitution? He knows he won’t win a primary now and his only shot is to go back to the election denial and beg for new rules to be applied. I know two couples (at least) who thought he was the chosen one that have finally abandoned the guy. He’s done. It will be DeSantis. This also means the Dems don’t need Biden anymore. Looking forward to turning page. 

Oh this is when he finally lost it?

1 hour ago, M.A. said:

Let’s do well at recruiting and development. How about that!

Sounds great to me. But one is more foundational than the other.

1 hour ago, Rhuletheday said:

Modern day college football is more about recruiting than development.  There is one thing Georgia, Alabama, Clemson, Michigan, OSU all have in common before one hour of practice even begins. 

Programs that develop well but don't recruit well still occasionally win conference championships and have top 15 finishes (Wisconsin, Iowa, Kansas State, Utah)

For examples of programs that recruit well but don't develop well... look at 5-7 Texas A&M this year and 5-7 Texas in 2010.