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I still don't know in what way people think these things should have been reported on.

You're a journalist in 2019 who has it on good authority that Frost misses practices. But that good authority won't go on the record? How are you supposed to print that as a story? Printing it without it being sourced and verified is the actual blogger stuff.

5 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Matt Campbell is compared to Riley because Campbell has only been at Iowa State and hasn't won a Big 12 championship.

Don't know why Campbell gets compared to Riley but doesn't get compared to Les Miles at Okie State or Saban at Michigan State.

3 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

The reason I point out Chadwell is because at least we'd have a unique brand again, and with that offense we'd attract recruits that others might not be targeting as much.

Man... you fully went from "we NEED a splash big name bona fide all star head coach because we also NEED top 10 recruiting" to "I'd hire the G5 guy just so we can be weird and get the leftovers" in like 4 days

3 minutes ago, Stone Cold said:

Happy with yoru 8-10 wins.  The goal should always be to strive for more.

Believing something to be true isn't the same thing as being happy with it.

49 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

Just doesn't sound like Trev is "swinging for the fences" -- seems more like he's going to take the safe, conservative route. 

Based on what?

"Journalists" trying to get clicks? The sentiment of messageboard posters?

27 minutes ago, Cornbred said:

But I feel that we don't have years for a slow build up. If this program keeps wandering in the wilds like we have for the past 20 years we will most definitely be an after thought to anyone under the age of fifty. 

That... doesn't matter.

Baylor was an afterthought before Briles. Kansas was an afterthought before Mangino. Clemson was an afterthought before Dabo. What was Ole Miss before Freeze? Who cared about TCU or Boise before Patterson and Petersen respectively got them to the top of the mountain? 

It's so weird that people are so concerned about this when we're still currently packing out 90k for a team that's won 16 games in five years, and had 2 out of 3 losing seasons right before that. So what if the right coach has to build for four years and people's attention wanes further? If the coach is good, they'll develop a good team, and then the attention and interest will come right back.

1 minute ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

And that brings you reason for hope that he is a good enough coach to coach here???

I didn't say that, I'm just answering the question of why Trev would theoretically be looking at him.

4 minutes ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

It's bc he has a connection with Trev at UNO isn't it?? So angry I could throw my phone if it becomes true.

Also probably because he has Kansas at 3-0 (21-108 record since Mangino), went 109-6 with six nattys in eight years in DIII, and built Buffalo to. their first national ranking in program history.

Why is it fair to compare Campbell at ISU to Riley at Oregon State, but not fair to compare him to Saban at Michigan State or Miles at Oklahoma State, or other coaches who maximized what was possible at a resource-poor school and then went on to greater success in their new gig at a place with more?

Does Lance Leipold not count as a double L?

2 hours ago, knapplc said:

 

Seriously?

Seriously?

1 hour ago, M.A. said:

The only thing I'd add is that a majority of us have realistic expectations. 

 

idk reading over half the names of coaches that over half the posters are suggesting might make me disagree with you here

2 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

 

Perhaps, but some have better chances than others.

Yeah and some have better chances than fans will ever be able to understand because the DNA that makes a successful coach is an unsolvable puzzle, and an AD making decisions based on, "we can't afford to risk ______" is absolutely doomed to fail. A good AD understands that any choice is a gamble and that there is a lot of luck that plays a roll and can't be predicted or controlled.

People said we couldn't afford to risk losing out on Frost in 2018. Now in hindsight there's a pretty compelling argument that hiring him then is what caused this to become a nightmare.

Big Mick Energy

54 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Do you guys know how sources work?  Media guys are told stuff things all the time, but can't make it public because things are "off the record".  Shoot, I bet media would tough base with Trev the past year and ask him "is Scott still coming in late on a regular basis?'

Yeah, I don't get how many people on the web (primarily twitter) are lambasting the media for this.

You're a media member and you hear rumors of Scott banging co-eds at Gate 25. Better yet, let's say you know it's happening. What are you supposed to do with that info? Quote yourself? Quote people who won't go on the record? Commit career suicide? There's no tenable option there.

Are you kidding?

The day we landed Frost was like being the biggest ugliest nerd in middle school and your best friend got super hot and went on to become Halle Berry. Then out of nowhere she comes back into your life and says she's always wanted to be with you.

This isn't even close. Not even a tiny bit close.

5 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

The key word here is "probably." We can't afford to risk it on "probably." 

We can afford to and every possible candidate outside of Saban is only a 'probably' at best. Including Urban.

49 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

 Both of the guys you mentioned went to LSU where it is extremely easy to locate talent. Nebraska doesn’t have that luxury. You really think Campbell can lure elite recruits to Lincoln? I don’t. 

I have no idea. But I'm also not thinking that we can go straight from the gutter to the moon.

If he can put together top 20 classes to start with, which I think he absolutely could and would, then start winning a properly proportionate amount of games with better development, discipline and psyche, that establishes a new base camp/foundation, and from there? Yeah, he could probably build on it and start getting top 15 and top 10 classes. 

17 minutes ago, Enhance said:

To be clear, I don't think Campbell and Riley should be intimately compared to one another, but it is a fair set of questions/circumstances to ponder.

I feel similarly.

I'm curious of other comparisons we can find of coaches who maximized their potential at a school with less resources and then went on to have great success at a school with more?

Saban was similar at Michigan State before LSU. Les Miles was also similar at Oklahoma State before LSU. Curious about some more recent examples if they're out there.

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

Ok, so why can other teams tackle and we can’t?

 

They have to be doing live tackling in practice. 

We have been doing live tackling in practice too - the issue is a matter of how much, not a matter of doing it vs not doing it 

Since the previous August, not since July

3 hours ago, Enhance said:

That said, the rumors I'm most unsettled by are the alleged lack of attention to details, showing up late to practices, not making recruit calls, and fostering an environment where assistants felt they needed to go to university leadership to intervene. Frankly, this is stuff I just never saw coming. Frost talked a smooth game and said a lot of the right things. We all know his history and ties to the state. I can only imagine how stressful and how much of a commitment the job takes, and how there are probably times where you just throw your hands up and maybe take a little time to yourself. But it's also something he chose and got paid incredibly well to do. You can't half-a$$ this kind of stuff and Frost appeared to understand that, but it now it sounds like quite a bit of that may have just been talk. Kind of numbing as a fan.

Honestly, if the elements of hungover/video games/late to practice are true, it paints a fairly clear picture of depression.

My theory is that the stress of the job and care for the state/program was too big for him, which led to depression/panic disorder which ultimately manifests in those types of behaviors to try and have any escape at all.

Pretty sad if true. 

2 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

This tackling thing bugs the he’ll out of me. 
 

I had a friend my freshman year that was a walk-on fullback. I remember him coming home absolutely beat to s#!t. He had been at practice and they kept running the same play till mike Knox tackled correctly.  I can’t imagine practicing defense without tackling. 

 

isn’t that why you have a meat squad?  I would venture to say, usually the guy doing the tackling is not the One getting hurt. 
 

Practice tackling!!!!

There's definitely room for possibility that we're doing this worse than others, but a huge part of that is just the reality of football in the 2020s. Live tackling is rare, and it's not going any direction other than less and less.

27 minutes ago, Go Furself said:

He likes to run with the QB which does not work in the B1G so that is concerning.

It works fine in the B1G, you just run more risk of injury, which has always been true in every conference for the last 50 years.

1 minute ago, TonkaSker said:

Year 1: 6 wins.

Year 2: 5 wins.

Year 3: 5-7 wins.

Year 4: 7-8 wins.

Year 5: 7-9 wins.

Year 6-7: I want a team that can win 10 games. You don't have to, but I want to see proof that you can.

By Year 8 you should be consistently finishing in the top 25 and competing for a spot in the 12-team playoff.

 

Linear progressions like this are exceedingly rare.

If the coach ends up being the long term solution we all hope and want it'll probably be something closer to

Year 1: 6-7

Year 2: 7-10

Year 3: 7-10

Year 4: 6-8

Year 5: 10-12