Kentmick

14 minutes ago, junior4949 said:

It's premature to fire him now.  We have to let the rest of the season play out.  If we go O fer the rest of the season, I would say there needs to be some serious talks and conditions set going into 2022.  If we only win one or two games the rest of the way, then conditions need to be set for 2022.  If we win out, leave him be. 

You're saying if we lose out the rest of the way, he should still get the opportunity to make coaching changes?

1 hour ago, MinnwiscowaSker said:

Both. We return a lot of starters and should get more wins. Give that a chance to take hold.

 

More than anything I think the best available coaches don’t want to come here.  Look at the list of potential Orgeron replacements. None would even think about Nebraska right now.

You are gambling that players won't jump ship. Something that is going to happen, we just don't know to what extent.

Players have the option to leave now for whatever reason. Depending on how this season ends we could lose a few or have a mass Exodus. Would you want to stay at a school with the stats listed in that tweet? These guys are talented enough to contribute to much better teams.

That plus our current state of recruiting means if we keep Frost and it doesn't work out. The next coach is going to walk into a situation much worse than Frost did when he came here.

That is a helluva gamble.

Next year is a weaker schedule. Our current recruiting class is a disaster.

If there is ever a time to bring in someone, you'd do it for next year when they can win at least 6 and turn recruiting around for this class.

Why would you waste next year on someone you deep down know isn't going to work?

Again, please consider this.

If it takes 4 years for a coach to recognize the stagnation or regression of one area under an assistant coach, let alone multiple areas, should that man really be a HC? On top of that, do we honestly think Frost is going to make those changes or agree with them? He is going to need the AD to step in and force those changes.

Acknowledging Frost isn't the answer and knowing we gave 4 full years of losing seasons, a lot more than we have given any other coach, and a LOT more than any other blue blood program has ever given coach, doesn't mean Frost is a bad guy and we don't like him.

His status as a Husker Legend, a hard nosed player that helped win us a championship, will not change. It doesn't make us bad people nor fans to step back and say "I love the guy as a Husker, but it's time to try something else."

He has been given a longer leash than anyone we have all seen at a blue blood program. We have given him more of a chance out of respect for what he achieved as a player.

Finally, out of safety for future jobs, protecting his assistants who do not make nearly as much as him, I am starting to wonder if Frost even wants to be here anymore. I couldn't blame him if he doesn't. He would never admit it, but there is a lot of behavior there we have seen with other coaches who were mentally done.

At some point, if we really like Frost, we need to pull the cord as another year with 6 wins followed by more losing seasons is going to damage his reputation beyond repair and make it impossible for him to ever be a HC again at somewhere else.

If we really like Frost but he is mentally done and the losses, talking to the media, etc are causing him mental, emotional, and physical duress...why do we want to continue to do that to him?

Ask yourself, if we fired Frost, but Frost still wanted to be a HC, what AD in the top division would hire him and explain to the fans and boosters that it was a good idea?

Just now, BigRedBuster said:

You obviously didn’t read my last sentence. 
 

And, do you realize there are successful coaches that don’t have a dedicated ST coach?

Yea, but there is a reason they are successful coaches and ours isn't.

17 minutes ago, TheSker said:

I just said why Davison is so important.

 

And we can do whatever the hell we want.....and that's the point.

 

I think the authorized signers of the $20 million dollar check are in Frost's corner right now 

Oh are they?

I will give you a little tip. They signed those checks then...and now they are seeing what they paid for.

24 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

And…..another thing. 
 

If Trev is satisfied with the changes and Frost gets another year, just making a bowl game isn’t enough with next years schedule. Now, if they get to 9 or 10 wins and we aren’t seeing the same old mistakes, he gets the to stay. If we get 6 wins and we are doing the same crap, we need a new head coach. 
 

Again, if Trev decides that change needs to be made this year, fine. 

The issues we see this year, we saw in year 1, 2, and 3.

Think about this carefully. If a coach is unable to see or address these glaring issues the first 4 years, making them change their staff is not going to fix the core issue. He should have saw to these changes YEARS ago.

One last thing. Do you trust a guy who decides to forego a dedicated special teams coach? 

Look at what happened. All of this special teams disaster...with the same kicker that was All Big 10 last year, is a self inflicted wound. It is gross incompetence.

A 7-6 imploding Michigan State program.

18 minutes ago, lo country said:

To even beating teams with a winning record.....We are not even doing this.

Shame on you. Frost has beaten 2 Big 10 teams with winning records....years ago.

1 hour ago, hskrfan4life said:

Tbf even though results haven't been there stability still does mean something.

A corpse is more stable than something alive.

I'm not sure but I bet a few boosters will realize they could get more use out of throwing their thousands...to millions into a stove to heat the room up.

Wut

21 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

But we arent in the big 2 little 6? Frost has us playing consistently as a little 6. We arent even a mid level B1G team after 4 years. We may actually finish worse this year than any of his 4 years in B1G West standings. 

There is not really any tangible metric that represents progress aside from some on-field improvements on defense.

I believe we have lost every game that Martinez has turned it over. I may be off on that, but it's pretty incredible. His knack for turning it over in the worst situations is uncanny. A safety is a turnover in my book too. These turnovers actually more than negate the positive stats he may have. This is not QB coaching up, to the point that if a year 4 QB makes the same mistakes as year 1 id call it regression. He should have accidentally improved by now. We cannot separate the QB coach from Head Coach in this. What player do people think Frost spends the most time with?

Special teams. "We just need a special teams coach." It is year 4. Why do we not have a special teams coach in year 4? What contractor doesn't have a mason on tap when building a house? It is insane. How does a coach decide to not have a special teams coach? Has this ever worked out for any program?

Offensive Line. The only thing I can say is they are young. But at the same time, have we showed that we can develop these guys? This has been a glaring weakness for 4 years. If Frost has just identified this as something to be fixed in year 4 it bodes very poorly for his judgement.

Let's take a step back and think about coaching staff changes for year 5. We will have losing seasons every prior year. Solich was forced to make changes after 1 7-7 year. And these spots are dumpster fires. Arguably worse than Riley's last season. If it takes 4 years of insanely poor play, lack of development, lack of fundamentals, for Frost to address...should he still be the coach?

I don't get the "staff overhaul" crowd. The same problems today we're there the prior 3 years. I don't want a guy who is given a 5th season, which is a huge outlier in a major program after 4 losing ones, and finally decides to address these coaching issues. Let alone one that will be forced to.

Never have your friends work for you unless you are prepared to fire them and lose a friend. That isn't football wisdom, it's life wisdom.

3 hours ago, Redux said:

... even had a couple of the losses in hand before whatever act of football God decided to snatch victory away.

Let's just cut the BS. A lot of people want to keep Frost because he played here and they have fond memories of him.

Because it is a strong possibility he may not win again, let alone tie his highest win total in a season of 5.

You mistyped "The record is damning". You accidentally typed "...record be damned."

I've lurked here for I wanna say over 2 years?

I just see a lot of talk one way and the other and wanted to see what the real numbers were. If I could have turned off the comments, I would have.

33 minutes ago, ndobney said:

You have 56 posts yet you are encouraging people to fire the coach on this board?

We are dropping post counts? I have even less and you are voting in a poll I created??

I want to see what the numbers are.

4 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

We've just excelled at hiring s#!tty head coaches, lots of programs go through it and you rinse and repeat until you hit. 

Correction, we excel at hiring s#!tty ADs that don't understand the program nor culture. Aside from Osborne's brief stints (which are kinda iffy), we haven't had a long term AD that understood the true importance of the football program since Devaney retired in 92.

Just now, Hedley Lamarr said:

A new oline coach doesn't fix this. I still want someone to show me a HC with Frosts win % through 4 years that turned that program into a contender. 

Barry Alvarez made it click in year 4.

Snyder had a winning record in year 3 but didn't get things humming until year 5.

And those are considered some of the greatest turn arounds in college football history.

If Frost turned this around it would be pretty much the first time in history...at least at a major conference school from the last 40 years.

Basically, it is insane to think Frost will turn around. The deluge if transfers that are going to probably happen will be a travesty in itself if we keep him.

We need a coach to come in here and stave off the impending transfers on this sinking ship.

I have a question.

What is Frost's best win?

A 7-6 Michigan state team in 2018?

A 7-6 Minnesota team in 2018?

We have only beat 2 big ten teams that have finished with a winning record. Both are listed above.

10 minutes ago, HuskerNation1 said:

 

Trev screwed up by appearing to be too chummy with Frost these past few weeks.  His job is to put this program in position for long-term success, and should he not fire Frost despite the data showing Frost is not a winner, the heat will just pick up on Alberts.

The reason the Nebraska job has been poison to competent HCs is the way we've treated HCs and the situations around when we fired then.

Ie: 2 after 9 win seasons. 2 a year after pretty good showings and the last one after 3 years.

We have also had semi-public spats between coaches and administration and have seen the administration fail to show public support multiple times when the team needs it.

We can all explain some of these to ourselves but to an outsider, it looks like a dumpster fire. A roaring dumpster fire.

So don't think it hurts our chances of landing a coach because Trev was very supportive of the current one. That is what a good AD should do.

We are just not used to it because we haven't seen it since the early 90s.

The issues with this team are much greater than a player here or there.

If I was coach that saw our talent and output, I'd jump in being the next HC. We have way too much talent and so little to show for it.

This is coaching 101 stuff. An average coach could come in here and look like a genius after one off-season of fundamentals and decent coaching.

Martinez can out up great numbers but he just isn't there when you need him.

He is playing better this year but still I am pretty sure in games he turns it over, our record is insanely bad. 

Again, Conner has filthier stuff than a lot of Major League pitchers. In the worst way.