LennynSquiggy

3 hours ago, secretasianman said:

Define “back”

The opposite of "front".

4 hours ago, admo said:

There was never a Solich curse, a 9-win curse, or Bo curse.  That is low hanging fruit that comes up every year.  Take a step back from tunnel vision and see what really happened.  Be warned though, the realization will upset the loyal fanbase thinking.

The troubled history of Nebraska's success has been a combination of 3 things: 
Evalution, Administration, and Tom Osborne

When Osborne retired after winning his 3rd championship, Nebraska football was coveted.  They had a choice of a dozen great coaches to take over if they had asked.  

 

You could wonder how many experienced head coaches or top coordinators would have been interested in Nebraska as a head coach.  Including Bob Stoops (Florida's DC for 3 years - hired by OU as HC in 99; also served under Bill Snyder at KSU) and Nick Saban (MSU HC that went to LSU in 99).  

 

But what did Nebraska do?  And did they even attempt to put a group of people together to interview coaches?  NO.  

Osborne retired.  He promised Solich the job.  Solich had no HC experience.  Had no OC or DC experience.  Osborne said Solich and that's what Nebraska did, and said "Whatever you want Tom".  So Nebraska hired Solich.  

This was strike #1.

Osborne should have removed himself from it all, enjoyed going out with a championship as a head football coach.  He had no experience interviewing, hiring or evaluating Head Coaching prospects.  He should have stayed out of it.  And with his stature of success, kept quiet about his opinions and thoughts.  Just go fishing or run for office.  But stay out of it.

Strike #2 was a huge mistake by the new AD Pederson.  When he saw Nebraska fans and boosters getting fed up with blowout losses to Iowa State, Penn State, Kansas State, Miami and Colorado, he made a coaching change without a backup plan.  It took months for him to court Houston Nutt to come here, and knowing that no other coach was all that interested, the NFL Oakland Raiders fired Bill Callahan and they soon made a deal.  

 

Strike #2 was Administration and Evaluation - hiring an NFL Head Coach that had only 2 years of Head Coaching experience, and Zero experience as a Head Coach of a College Football team and running a program.

Strike #3
The administration fired Pederson, and brought on Tom Osborne once again to save the day.  The first task as the new AD, fire Callahan.  So he did.  And everybody cheered.  Now the next task is to interview as many possible Head Coaches that are interested, and right the ship.  But what does Osborne do?  He quietly and politely interviews 3 guys for the job.  Three!  Turner Gill, Bo Pelini, and Jim Grobe.  Gill and Pelini had never been head coaches before!  Grobe was at Wake Forest and iffy about the job, and declined.  So Osborne decides the next Husker head football coach will be between Turner Gill and Bo Pelini.  He hires Pelini, and makes the remark that he kinda sorta reminds him of Devaney.  Husker fans eat it up.  But was this the best decision or the smartest way to go when you have the power to hire anyone?  Was there no one else to talk to?  No one to help you out and say "Hold on now Tom, I know you like a few guys, but let's find someone who has run a football program before and has some proven success"?  Nope.  Osborne hired Pelini on a hunch.

Strike #4
More decision making by the Administration and Osborne

 

Osborne felt strongly about some financial issues with the Big 12 conference.  And he pulled us out of the Big 12 conference, as did Colorado first, plus Missouri and Texas A&M.   He got us in the B1G ten, and when the question was asked about who Nebraska would play on Black Friday, Wisconsin said they wanted to, Penn State said they wanted, but Tom declined and personally picked Iowa.  So everyone said "Ok Tom".... again.   
By this point, the former football Coach Osborne has had his hands in on picking Solich, picking Bo, moving the team to a new conference, picking Iowa for Black Friday.  I mean, as much as we respect him as a coach, Nebraska was being run by Osborne and his decisions and choices and his way of making those decisions and choices.  Just him.

Strike #5
More terrible evaluations and Administration stuff.  
Osborne steps down.  There is a lot of heat on Pelini with the cupcake schedules and getting blown out in big games.  Osborne doesn't want to be a part of it because he hired him.  Pelini wins games, loses ugly, and says some stuff we all know he wishes he didn't say.  Plus he challenges Nebraska to fire him.  Firey and passionate, but also a  smart guy as he knows if they do terminate him he will get paid the rest of his contract while he's gone.  The new administration then blows another opportunity.  Besides hiring Mike Riley who was being forced out at Oregon State and in his 60's, who else did the Admin interview?  In a time that has hiring consultants and tons of younger coaches excited for a chance to coach at Nebraska.  This was another failed attempt at firing and hiring the wrong guy with a lack of interest in the process.  

Now I appreciate yall for taking the time to see my personal POV, and I know it may not agree with the M.O. of Solich curse and 9 wins mantra, but this is just how I have seen it as it happened.  And I appreciate Osborne the football coach big time.

I could also go on with the hiring of Moos and Frost and Trev Alberts and Mickey Joseph and so on.  But honestly, Moos wasn't a bad AD hire, he brought a lot of new coaches to the athletic teams (baseball, hoops, etc).  And we all knew it was a temp job he would do for a few years.  But most importantly - hire Scott Frost from UCF and not F that up by hiring someone else.

I don't believe in Solich curse.  I believe bad Evaluations, Administrations, Decisions and Tom Osborne having heavy input on the program's direction has been a combo piece that we have all witnessed nearly 25 years.  And I am hopeful Trev and Rhule can build this football program back up with the bigger picture in mind.  It's been a long journey, but I am willing to wait it out as I keep getting older with time. 

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I’m out at Burchard Lake in southeast Nebraska with one bar on my phone and I can’t seem to get that gif embedded properly. My apologies. 

On 11/28/2022 at 4:54 PM, runningblind said:

2003 you say?  That coincidentally is the year that I started at NU.....

So it’s YOUR fault….

23 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

The 1971 Nebraska football team is as far removed from today's football as Notre Dame's legendary 1924 National Champions were from those Huskers. It's a non-winnable argument.

Herbstreight's whining about how the 71 Nebraska team shouldn't be in consideration. (My bad earlier for saying it was the 70 squad)

23 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Jerry Tagge barely drew an NFL paycheck. Dave Humm had a longer career as a benchwarmer. Vince Ferragamo was a Cal transfer who had the offense built around him.

I already said Tagge wasn't in the NFL long. I also mentioned that Dave Humm was an 11 year back up, and like it or not, Ferragamo lead the Rams to the 79 Superbowl. There are not very many college quarterbacks that get to the NFL and even fewer that last 11 years. Just getting drafted is an accomplishment that very few college players ever experience. And we WON with those guys, imagine that. Talk down about their accomplishments compared to other NU quarterbacks all you want but we WON with those guys and none of them were "another running back".

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Having a running QB was when we won.

Maybe you missed this but this is what I responded to when I wrote the post you quoted. My post in this context is completely accurate.

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The U.S. Census Bureau's definition consists of 12 states in the north central United States: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, and Wisconsin. The region generally lies on the broad Interior Plain between the states occupying the Appalachian Mountain range and the states occupying the Rocky Mountain range. Major rivers in the region include, from east to west, the Ohio River, the Upper Mississippi River, and the Missouri River.^[3] The 2020 United States census put the population of the Midwest at 68,995,685.^[4] The Midwest is divided by the U.S. Census Bureau into two divisions. The East North Central Division includes Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin, all of which are also part of the Great Lakes region. The West North Central Division includes Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, Nebraska, and South Dakota, several of which are located, at least partly, within the Great Plains region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States

I'm not sure why we are talking about Colorado being part of the midwest.

25 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Sweet Cheesus...

27 minutes ago, Nowledge said:

Yes, "fake." Truly religious people practice what they preach, and make the world a better place. McCartney did neither.

I guess you're entitled to your opinion, such as it is.

44 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

My memories of visiting Colorado are mostly from the 70s and 80s, but you saw this bumper sticker everywhere and it was definitely not meant to be welcoming:

 

 

"Native" Coloradans still have that elitist, unwelcoming attitude.

22 minutes ago, Nowledge said:

 

Yep. McCartney did the same thing to get over the top, coming into the ghettos of Houston to recruit kids for whom "Alpine Skiing" was not on their agenda. Getting paid was, of course. McCartney was able to hide behind a fake religious persona (since he was white) as he ran the largest payroll west of the Mississippi.

Fake religious persona?

16 hours ago, unl7fan said:

Admitting it is the first step towards recovery.

19 hours ago, unl7fan said:

Colorado lifestyle is a lot like “Midwest” and far from West Coast US culture. 

Heh...WRONG!!!

I lived in Colorado for 34 years.

On 9/3/2023 at 11:39 AM, Guy Chamberlin said:

We need three years before anyone can answer this with any degree of accuracy. But having dug our heels in on the supposed fact that you can't turn a program around overnight, yesterday's game was an eye-opener, and some folks might have to admit Deion Sanders passed his first test well beyond predictions. Had Nebraska beaten TCU after a 66% roster turnover and the coach's son setting a school record in his first game in P5, I'm not sure how humble we'd all be today. 

Heh...The same people crying and throwing fits about Matt Rhule would be jumping up and down for joy and telling anyone who would listen about how badly they want to have his babies.

This is what UNL7fan said:

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We were never in this bad of a situation until Eichhorst torched the program with the hire of Mike Riley.

 This is how I responded to that.

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The 1950's were at least as bad as the situation we had with Riley.

That's what we were talking about.

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The 1950's? What are we talking about here?

There, fixed.

Please ignore my previous screwed up post.  

1 hour ago, unl7fan said:

The 1950's? What are we talking about here?

1 hour ago, LennynSquiggy said:

We were never in this bad of situation until Eichhorst torched the program with the hire of Mike Riley.

Second quote is what unl7fan said. (Having a bit of difficulty getting the quotes correct.) I'll see if I can fix this using a second tab opened to Huskerboard.

52 minutes ago, Hagg said:

 

That was a world away in football as compared to today's schemes, athletic abilities, and coaching savvy.  Not to mention many other things.  The QB with a good backfield would look just fine then.  But now days he's got to have top notch abilities and coaches recognize that.  Do a championship teams record from 2010 on.  It might look quite different as to who was taking the snaps on those teams.

You sound like Kirk Herbstreight when he was talking about how the '70 Nebraska team shouldn't be in the running for best college football team of all time.

The three quarterbacks I mentioned previously weren't just good, they were good enough to get drafted into the NFL. You also don't take into account the post I was responding to that said the Husker football program was built on quarterbacks that were essentially another running back. (Paraphrasing that last bit.)

1 hour ago, unl7fan said:

We were in the Top 10/Top 25 with Pelini... We were never in this bad of situation until Eichhorst torched the program with the hire of Mike Riley.

Pelini's losses were blowouts and guess what else? The 1950's were at least as bad as the situation we had with Riley.

4 minutes ago, unl7fan said:

When you are ok with the horribleness and the collapse of a dynasty program.

We've been on a downhill slide since Osborne retired.

12 hours ago, River-runner said:

Having a running QB was when we won.

We won two national championships with Jerry Tagge and Van Brownson alternating at quarterback.

1970: 11-0-1

1971: 13-0

1972: 9-2-1

1973: 9-2-1

1974: 9-3

1975: 10-2

1976: 9-3-1

1977: 9-3

1978: 9-3

1979: 10-2

1980: 10-2

Total: 108-22-4

I think most folks would say we were winning even though we didn't win it all every year, or even the Big 8 Championship every year. We achieved that record with passing quarterbacks, a pro-style offense, and what was considered at the time to be a balanced offense. So maybe we can finally put the notion that we have to have a run-first quarterback and a run-heavy offense in order to win to bed.

9 hours ago, unl7fan said:

Can we just recruit a QB that can pass at some point? Sick of the run first, no chance at Elite QB recruit systems 

40 minutes ago, River-runner said:

Almost every Husker fan wants a QB that can run the ball.  Husker football was built on having a QB that is another running back. 

That is revisionist history. 

Jerry Tagge, Vince Ferragamo and Dave Humm all went to the NFL in the 70's. Tagge didn't last long but Ferragamo lead the Rams to the Superbowl in 79 and Dave Humm was a back up for 11 years. Those guys weren't just another running back and we weren't running an option offense until the 80's.

I'm laughing at this whole thread.

I haven't felt confident in a Nebraska coaching staff in quite some time. Matt Rhule though, something about this hire just sits right. 

I'm kinda late to this party but I thought it was interesting that almost 90% of respondents thought we'd win 4 - 8 games. Why interesting? Because I can remember when anyone voting like that would have been tarred, feathered and run out of town. Now look at us. It is my hope this situation gets reversed this season and we show significant improvement on the field.

I'm thinking we lose to Michigan and Iowa so I voted for 10 wins. 

25 minutes ago, runningblind said:

 

We play Minnesota at 7 on 8/31. I'll update you every week.

Thanks friend.

8 hours ago, MyBloodIsRed16 said:

scroll all the way down.  That's where it is for me 

I'm getting nothing.

The Football schedule used to be on the right sidebar, where is it now and why did it get moved?

On 12/5/2022 at 3:03 PM, BigRedBuster said:

 

OK Fine....but it doesn't add anything to the sport.

Wow.