knapplc

please don't take this the wrong way, i have a lot of respect for what brook berringer did,

 

but would brook berringer be the legend he is had he not died so tragically?

Absolutely! I think his death if anything has dampened his legacy.

Think about it – Berringer was the closest thing Nebraska had that resembled a true NFL QB in 20 years. I have no doubt whatsoever that he was going to be drafted, and he would have at least gotten a shot on the field. I believe he would have had at worst a decent NFL career. The kid could really play.

Take away a 3-7 year career (or longer?) and all we have to go on is his body of work at NU. That’s certainly impressive, but with nearly two decades of offensive flops in the NFL before Brook, he would have been Nebraska’s “favorite Pro” if he had any measure of success.

You may be right, but if I were BC I'd have done the same thing. Even if I didn't make any promise with SK, I still wouldn't have liked the idea of a good guy like him transferring here, learn the system for a year and then not getting the job in his first and last year here. My QB line up would be the same as it is now.

 

Most attendees at the Spring game thought SK was the better player didn't they??

 

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I was right on top of the QBs as they warmed up and I had excellent views of several scoring drives, and in my opinion it wasn't even close - Sam was far and away better than Joe in the Spring Game.

I am frankly stunned that Joe is doing so well. Judging by how he did in the Spring, I wouldn't have predicted half the success he's had.

Don't get me wrong - Joe was NOT awful in the Spring. It's just that Sam was clearly better.

I beat you by a hair, Junior. =)

I still think Keller could have been really, really good this year. I question Callahan's ability to implement a system that is simple enough to use the talent he has. I think if Keller had had a couple of years in the system he'd have done that, too.

Completely agree.

If Osborne keeps Callahan, are we all going to complain?

 

Complain?

 

more likely....

 

Rant, throw a fit, hold breath, jump off high places, beat the wives/children...

 

 

Personally, I think a head coach should get SIX years like Frank did.

 

My favorite example is Mangino-

 

2-10

6-7

4-7

7-5

6-6

10-0

 

If KU didn't wait SIX years, they never would have sniffed 10-0. Mangino's record SUCKED until year six.

 

 

But if a revolving door policy (four years or less) is going to be in place from now on..... I hope TO gets PJohnson for the next HC.

 

 

BEAT CU!!

The problem with your KU analogy is that there are vastly different expectations between KU and Nebraska. Mangino had all the time in the world to make that sow's ear into a silk purse because they hadn't done anything in the past umpteen years. Another problem with your analogy is that KU is far more likely to be 6-6 next year than 10-0, based on their past history. Teams play over their heads every year. Clearly KU is doing that this year. You simply cannot expect that to happen year in and year out.

That's a complete apples to oranges comparison, clone.

 

WE being the University, WE being all those who wanted Solich replaced, WE being all that wanted Pederson, WE being all those demanding Callahan go.

 

If you're a Husker Fan, you would be included in that "WE." We're all in this together. WE may not all have liked all of those decisions, but WE all have to live with them, especially if WE are going to continue to wear that big red N on our shirts/hats/coats/etc.

And to answer knapplc--I think most fans want him gone.

Agreed. So don't you think TO would have to make the decision that the majority would favor?

He has shown inability to coach, but he has also shown great promise, at least in my eyes.

I think his inability to coach FAR outweighs his potential.

I guess my question to the people thinking he deserves more time would be, when is enough enough? He's had two "good" recruiting classes and two "OK" recruiting classes, so allegedly talent should not be the issue.

He's had four years to acclimate himself to the college game/routine, so that should not be an issue.

He's had ample time to evaluate his coaching staff and make any changes where there are deficiencies, so staff should not be an issue.

But even with all that time and whatnot in his favor, his overall record is still barely above .500. He should have been much further along than he is now. He should be beyond correcting mistaken assumptions by now. He should be in a position of strength both from on-field play and recruiting. But he’s nowhere near those positions.

So what will happen to make the future Bill Callahan do a better job than the present Bill Callahan? Why would one more year make any difference?

I think TO realizes that he needs to unite the fans--and he won't be doing that by pissing off most of them that want callahan to stick around.

Do you think the majority want Callahan to stay or to go?

Get this:

 

Osborne could hire someone and HE COULD VERY WELL NOT WORK EITHER. It could get worse before it get's better, folks. I think people are assuming that Osborne will hire someone and he will be great and it will all be sunshine and farts again. Well, there is FAR from a guarantee on that.

I would just about suspect that this happens. It's far easier to fail than succeed in college football. In a pressure-cooker like Nebraska, where the demands are so high, little things can get magnified and make the job that much more difficult. Any new coach could struggle just coping with the expectations that come along with this job.

But all that being said, that still does not mean that Callahan should stay. He is not the right fit for this job, and the next guy's success or failure won't change that.

The Callahan coaching staff needs to go, and whether we turn out better for it in a year or two does not change that fact.

You are right, you are not a Nebraska fan, doesn't sound like you are much of an ASU or USC fan either. You are one of those fans who jumps on the band wagon depending on how fair the weather is. Consequently you should just read, make no replys and... just shut up!

 

...T_O_B, Husker fan for 37 years, win or lose, sunshine or rain, through thick and thin till they bury my red to the bone body in a red casket on the plains of Nebraska.

How you can make such an analysis of this guy based on less than a dozen posts on some Internet forum is beyond me.

I appreciate the sentiment here (defending your team) but maybe you'd want to tone it down just a bit? Maybe?

It's not as easy as you might think to just can everyone and waltz through the rest of the season. Plus there's some professional decorum to consider. Callahan may be the wrong fit for this program but he's not Attila the Hun, either.

It would cause far more problems to fire him today than two weeks from today.

Just be patient. This will all be over soon.

I will always be a fan of Sam Keller. I appreciate what he did, and further what he tried to do, in his brief time here.

According to the LJS:

Clarification on Nebraska going to a bowl

If the Huskers win at Colorado, they will be going to a bowl.

 

Per Big 12 policy, the only way a school could turn down a bid would be if the conference provided more qualifiers than slots available. That's not going to happen this year.

Boy... talking about Joe's balls...

I think it's coincidence. Joe throws some pretty good wobblers out there, so I don't think it's because he throws a "more catchable ball" as some announcers have said.

I think it may just have more to do with confidence and familiarity. They know Joe longer, and they just may be the "X" factor that helps them catch the ball better.

On a semi-related note my wife and I were at Nebraska Furniture Mart last night wearing our Nebraska sweat shirts and one of the warehouse workers couldn't believe we were still wearing them. Not sure if he wasn't a Husker fan or whatever but that was a little surprising.

 

What?!?!? Why in the world would we take off our Husker gear? Now, when the chips are down, is the time to show our support.

What a weird thing to say!

That's cool.

Bear Bryant has caught up to TO!

It's 37% to 43%. That is unacceptable!

Come on, Husker Fans!! Get out the word!

In the next two weeks we could either sit here and gnaw the bones of our collective frustration, or we can do our best to focus on the positives of being a Husker.

Whether we are Pro-Callahan or Anti-Callahan, the vast majority of us are Husker Fans. This internal bickering is pointless. T.O. will do what he will do, and then we can all talk about it.

For my part, I pledge to stop posting negative things about Bill Callahan. Like him or not, he's not the "enemy." He may or may not be a good fit for this program, but I fear that if we spend two weeks debating on his fitness for the job, we're going to delve even further into such levels of negativity that we could do great harm to our mutual love of this team.

So here's my pledge:

I hereby solemnly pledge to stop bashing Bill Callahan, Kevin Cosgrove, and/or any other current or former Husker Coaches through the end of the regular season of 2007.

I further pledge to wait for whatever action the Athletic Department is going to take before jumping to wild conclusions regarding possible coaching changes, lack of changes, or any developments therein.

Finally, I pledge to be respectful of my fellow Husker Fans, recognizing that on Game Saturdays they all wear the same Red that I wear, and that if we were all to meet for a beer (or soda, for the underaged) that our discussions would likely be friendly, not aggressive like they tend to be on the anonymous message board.

Signed:

knapplc

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Anyone else care to help stop the madness?

As usual, I will miss all of our Seniors. They just don't play here long enough, IMO. You develop an attachment for these guys, and not one of them is a bad person, or an awful player, or is a person I want to see leave.

If I had to pick one guy I'd say it's Mo Purify. There are a lot of guys you could say this about, but I don't feel like Mo has gotten a fair shake at NU. A guy with all of his potential, and it just doesn’t seem like enough balls go his way. I would have loved to see him featured in game after game after game. I know all about the double-teaming and whatnot, but there are ways to scheme around that. I haven’t had my fill of watching him play yet.

Thanks for posting that email, but at the end of the day there's just nothing concrete there. Nobody is accusing you of lying - it's just that there's nothing to go on there, you know?

If he had the flight number, or a bona fide eyewitness who saw Bo Pelini on the plane and/or an official from NU talking to him... that would be something.

There isn't even a smoking gun there. You'd have to imagine that there are NO other reasons from someone from red stick to fly here - like for actual business, or for... who knows what.

It's a fun story, but in the end this could all be some practical joke your friend is playing on you.

I heard that Bill could save his job if he wins big against Colorado and Nebraska goes bowling. How can 2 games forgive the 9 before. I mean 6 losses, 4 were blowouts. The other stipulation is to overhaul his staff,(shades of Frank's last year). Can we really take the chance on him and loose another season of progress?

I heard Bill could stay if he learns the Texas Two-Step while dancing on the head of a pin.

It begins with "T" and ends with "E" and it isn't Trombone.

This is a funny thread.

I know I defend Callahan in my post. This isn't a "blind" defense. I see all the reasons why he should be fired, and I agree with alot of them.

I think alot of the comments Callahan has made have been misconstrued and overanalyzed. I truly feel that he has the best interest of the program in mind-- but he has made mistakes.

 

The reason I chose to defend him is because I feel that his mistakes are correctable. I also think about how Osborne gave players second chances, and set up a system of goals or "steps to attain" to get back to the proper standing-- and I think he might go this route with Callahan.

 

 

After the OSU game, I wanted the whole staff gone. But then I thought about Osborne's words, and started to think, "wow.. what if he actually keeps Callahan, that would suck." And after thinking about it over the last few weeks, I tried to construct the best scenario if Callahan stayed.. and that's the point of my post.

It's ok, knapplc likes to belittle the people who don't agree with his opinion or offer an alternate opinion.

Only those who earn it. You'll notice I did not belittle secretasianman in the least. He presented a good, well-thought-out argument. I disagreed and asked him to explain his thinking in light of a couple of points I brought up. The only times I have deigned to speak down to anyone is when they have belittled what Huskerdom is all about in the first place.

It's like when a coach goes into halftime with a team that is underperforming. They should know better, but they don't play like they're capable of playing. What's that coach supposed to do, hold their hands and cuddle with them? Heck no! He's going to break his foot off in their a$$, chew them out, and whip them into shape. And if they still don't respond, he's going to do it again, and again, and again.

Do you think Bob Devany had a box of tissues in his locker room for the guys at halftime?

If I'm wrong, prove that I'm wrong. Don't cry that I'm "belittling" people, show where I've said something wrong or made mistakes.

Husker Nation used to be tough. HUSKER POWER!!! Remember that? Now we've been infiltrated by the hand-holders, and I can't stand it.

I'm fully willing to be friendly, and I'd sit down with you and have a beer, Dan, but while we're talking I'm still going to challenge you on your beliefs, just like you'd challenge me. I can defend mine, believe me.

I don't think it's wrong to expect you (or anyone else) to defend theirs. If it doesn't hold up to scrutiny, that probably means it wasn't much of a belief in the first place.