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Somehow, SOMEHOW, I'll just have to cry myself to sleep tonight knowing the likes of you thinks less of me.

Maybe I won't survive. It's gonna be tough.

He used potty-mouth words. I hope he doesn't get in trouble for this. It's not his fault!

You're pathetic! You have zero credibility. I will refute each and every one of your weak points tomorrow when I have time.

Seriously. It's all a made-up lie. Everyone is out to get poor, poor CU.

Sheesh.

This threads name is "KU fans are the worst" that sounds like

generalizing to me.

I'm not the original poster of this thread, home boy. If you've got a gripe with the title of the thread that's cool, but don't bring it up with me.

im just saying dont say that all the fans are like the idiots that do

that type of bullcrap. I have heard on this board that certain Husker fans

are bullying Cally and Cosgroves familys. I dont say all NU fans are like

that, I know they are not. 99% of NU fans are class acts. Every University

has idiots. I dont slash tires..I dont throw cigarettes at people. Condemn

the people that did the act, not the entire fanbase.

Did you read what I wrote? Where did I insinuate that all of their fans are like that? If you read a few posts up there I told BeachBuffs that I would bet more than 95% of their fans are fine people. It's the vast minority that gives them a bad name.

It's generally not a great idea to tell people who have friends who were the recipient of the bottle-and-cup barrage in Boulder that they complain too much. Just so you know.

Just because a few drunk idiots yell or something doesnt mean all fans

are like that....that is the college atmosphere. I have never seen any

other fans complain so much about the opponents fans...

The fact that you are uneducated about the reality of what Husker Fans have faced in Boulder, CO doesn't mean it's not real, nor does it mean calling them on it is wrong.

Frankly, this "discussion" wouldn't be taking place if our friend from Colorado would simply own up to the fact that what happened in 2005 was a pretty egregious act, and stop trying to minimize it.

Seriously, what the hell would you do if you were watching a game in Lincoln and you started having bottles and cups full of beer (and God knows what else) thrown at you? What would you do if it got so bad that stadium security had to empty two sections? Would you just pass it off as "the college atmosphere" and forget about it?

What if that was your mom they were throwing bottles at, dude? What then?

The ONLY THING that differentiates what happened at Folsom Field in 2005 from what happens at major stadiums all across the country at least 15 times every year, is that the stadium security went overboard with making sure that the situation didn't get out of hand by clearing out the section that the debris came from. Somehow, the school getting overtly proactive and clearing out a portion of the student section translated into "this school has absolutely no class" instead of "this school is actively cleaning up their fans' behavior" in the minds of college fans across the country, but especially in Lincoln.

You really, really need to take off your buffalo-colored glasses, man. That section wasn't ONLY cleaned out because a couple of people tossed a little bit of garbage on the field. Do you really not know what happened? If so, why don't you know?

From Colorado's website:

Statement By Interim Chancellor Phil DiStefano Regarding Student Behavior at Nov. 26th CU vs. Nebraska Game

 

Nov. 28, 2005

 

The actions of some individuals in the student section at last Friday’s game have reflected negatively on the entire student body and the University of Colorado in general. As chancellor I am very concerned that some of our students do not appreciate the rights of other fans to attend home games in an atmosphere of good sportsmanship. No outcome on the field ever warrants poor behavior by our fans, particularly behavior that could endanger another person.

 

Each summer and fall, through new student orientation, student emails, the news media and other means, the university announces its expectation that students will conduct themselves with civility and respect for other fans at home games. As chancellor, I expect all CU students to take these instructions seriously and to abide by them at all times.

 

On behalf of the university, I apologize for the behavior of a small group that disrupted the game and inconvenienced other fans. Should any students be identified in these incidents of throwing objects or otherwise harassing other fans, they will be subject to adjudication by the university’s Office of Judicial Affairs and will be sanctioned accordingly.

This is from the "alcohol and related issues" section of your school's website.

It wasn't that they were throwing stuff on the field only, they were pelting the Nebraska section with whatever they could get their hands on. Do you really not know this or are you just pretending not to know what happened that night? Either way, your level of credibility is taking a serious hit by downplaying this, and further by trying to cast Colorado as the aggrieved party here by saying they weren't given enough credit for their efforts to stop the situation.

You want more evidence of the problem? This is from the Colorado Springs Gazette:

The frustrating thing is the Buffaloes had the talent to win at least one, if not both, of their past two games. That disappointment and, moreover, the embarrassment, boiled over into the stands, too.

 

Fans in the student section threw various objects on to the field, enough that officials asked that Sections 115 and 116 be cleared before the game would resume.

 

There was a 10-minuteplus delay in the game midway through the fourth quarter as both teams cleared the field.

 

Security escorted select students out of the stadium. Other students argued with police officers. And others continued to throw cups, water bottles and fruit on the field.

 

Then with 6:48 remaining, a man wearing a gold shirt with black lettering jumped over the southern end zone fence and ran the length of the football field, taking off his shirt about halfway. Upon reaching the north end of the field, a security guard stopped the man.

 

Moments later, the shirtless man was alone and quickly walking away from the stadium and the security guard, proving that the security staff at Folsom Field was as porous as the Buffaloes' secondary.

Want more? How about an article from USAToday:

A few water bottles and other debris rained down from the CU student section in the fourth quarter, forcing officials to order hundreds of fans removed for the final 10 minutes of the game. By then, CU boosters with calmer heads were already heading to the exits, their team down 27-3 and showing no signs of life.

There's more in this article about the CU team leaving their warmup area and heading toward midfield to talk trash to the Husker team. Maybe that's what prompted the students to act up - they figured that if the Colorado coaches were going to allow their team to behave that way, they would be allowed to behave however they wanted.

The sad reality is that this incident wasn't the first time this has happened. For over a decade these things have been going on every time the Huskers play in Colorado. It's just that this time it got so out of hand that your own security had to remove your students. How are you defending that? How are you guys the victim in that?

Seriously - what are you trying to convince us of? That Colorado is and always has been a welcome place for Husker Fans to watch a game? We know better, dude. The record of your behavior is there.

Let's remain in the realm of reality, OK?

But you know I'm hoping for another blow out by the other team.

 

I love it when all the liberal fans out there start to be passive and say "Support the team!"

What do you mean by that? What's wrong with supporting the team? And why does saying "support the team" make you a "liberal?"

Man, I'm finding a lot of your posts confusing!

I don't think he was denying that we have our shair of asshats because we certainly do, and the school has done a lot to crack down on those asshats. The magic cigarette though is a bit of a stretch and the common story of old people getting mugged and tires slashed sure seems to happen to about 90% of Husker fans in Boulder. Now I am not saying that the Boulder PD is terrific, case in point Jon Benet, but I know that they are out on force on gameday and their #1 goal is to provide safety not only to those clad in black and gold but also in red and white. You would be surprised at how many of us are out there that want to kick your team's arse but want nothing but the best experience for you, other then a win

It's not that the tire slashing or assaults have happened to 90% of Husker Fans, it's that 90% of us have heard the accounts of those things happening. I have never in my life ever heard of an entire section of a stadium having to be cleared out of a game because of unruliness. That fact alone lends credence to these stories, you have to admit. It shows that the mentality that would precipitate those actions exists there.

However...

You would be surprised at how many of us are out there that want to kick your team's arse but want nothing but the best experience for you, other then a win

I would bet money that it's upwards of 95% of you guys. The problem you face is that the minority of you who are acting like soccer hooligans give the rest of you a bad name. We know Colorado Fans aren't horrible by and large - you're not geographically far enough away from us to be that different from us, for one thing. Your biggest obstacle are those wholly true reports of slashed tires, broken windows on cars, beer bottle missiles at Folsom Field, and all the other stories we've all heard, all of which are done by the vast minority of "Colorado Fans."

I just hope he doesn't turn into a preaching Jesus freak.

From the land of unnecessary comments...

 

Is there someway that we can steer all of these angry souls to a single "I Hate Callahan/Cosgrove/Rose" thread? It's getting really old seeing the same old craptrap repeated endlessly on here.

 

I'd like to see some actual football discussion on here . . . for example, have any of you watched the game films from K-State? Did you notice anything in the defensive backfield in the second half?

 

You know, stuff like that.

Although I'm taking part in the Callahan bashing, I would agree with you that the whole angst-ridden posting thing is getting old. But these are the times we live in, as this post so eloquently says:

If we actually got to see some actual football being played on Saturdays, we might be able to actually discuss football throughout the following week.

My vote is for Turner Gill

i still say bo pelini.

Why? Both of you - or anyone else who wants either of these two guys - tell us why they would be good, and/or why they would be better than the other guy.

I will go on record as saying I doubt either Gill or Pelini gets the HC job here. Gill needs more time and Pelini doesn't seem any more like a Husker than BC ever did.

I just called the NU ticket office today and they said a limited number of tickets were still available for the KSU and CU games. If tickets are still available for the KSU game, does that mean it is sold out???

Come to Lincoln this Saturday, go to the ticket window, and try to get tickets. That'll answer your question better than any of us can.

While you're here be sure to stop at Lazlo's in the Haymarket. Best microbrew in 500 miles.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

 

It almost ended under Solich.

 

We are lucky we had the first 4 wins. If not it would be over by now.

 

I think we get through this weekend, because some booster will buy them up.

 

But without a major name as head coach next year we will be in real trouble If we don't start off well.

 

I do not see a major name coach coming to Nebraska. There is no reason to anymore. Cowherd made some very interesting comments this morning about Nebraska and why we would return but never to what we were. I have felt that way for a long time. We are no longer a mecca for college football, we have to beg to get recruits here, other just have to ask.

Some nitwit has a nationwide radio show and you believe what he says about this program rather than guys here who have been following Husker Football for 30, 40, 50 or more years? Man, W.C. Fields was right about suckers being born every minute.

I will say this about Cowherd - he's more than likely right about Nebraska not returning to what we were in the late 1990s. However, NO team will EVER return to what we were then. People just don't get how utterly dominant those teams were. USC isn't what Nebraska was then, and they're the closest thing to it in college football today. The 1995 team would wipe their feet on any of the recent USC championship teams. Of COURSE we won't be that again.

What is very possible, even likely if we get the right staff in here, is that we return to what we were in the 1980s - a solid team every year. Every year we vie for the conference title. Every few years we vie for the MNC. That's very attainable with the facilities, the program, the boosters, the fans, the tradition and the culture of Nebraska Football.

This program wasn't built in a couple of years. We're not Kansas, people. We're a force in college football, current situation or not.

Let's please stop listening to these airbags on their four-hour, desperate-for-content radio shows as if they actually KNOW anything. They're just filling air so you listen to their commercials. They have NO IDEA what Husker Football is about.

K?

The fact that folks are asking the question with just one losing season in 40+ years while looking in the face of a LIKELY second losing season just proves the point.

So.... if people ask you if the sun rises in the West, which direction are you going to look come sunrise?

Seriously - learn how ticket sales at the University work before worrying about this. It will take years and years and years for the sellout streak to end.

Let's say I had a favorite steakhouse. Let's say I ate there every Saturday for 30 years, and for 30 years I had great meal after great meal, the next one greater than the last, until finally after 30 years the last dozen or so meals were the most magnificent food I had ever eaten.

Then let's say the Head Chef of the steakhouse retired. They hire a new guy. The food is good for a while, but after a few years you can tell - it's not the same. They're using different spices, or the veal isn't so fresh. So in a fit of pique the owner cans the new chef and goes out to find a new chef.

After a search he says he has found THE GUY. This guy doesn't know how to cook steak to save his life, but he CAN make crudite like nobody's business. So this guy comes in and starts making food. Every Saturday I go in, but clearly the food is not good. It gets worse, it gets worse still, until finally I get food poisoning so bad that I spend a month in the hospital, clinging to life. I get better, and in the meantime the Head Chef fires his sou chef and promises to get a new sou chef, and wants me to come back.

Now, are you telling me that I'm supposed to be happy with this guy because the croutons on my salad were pretty good?

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't eat there again.

And I'll tell you another thing - neither would Tom Osborne.

You don't know he's gone because no one has told you. I think everyone is reading into all of this too much or maybe I'm wrong. Recruits are de-comitting cause Callahan is telling them that he doesn't know for sure whether he'll be here and the recruits don't want to end in no mans land and without a school to go to. Osborne has continually said that no decisions have been made. Whether or not you want to beleive those statements is up to you, but they have both come from word of mouth and have no reason to believe or think that either one of those men are lying.

As ga-ga as Callahan is over QBs there is NO WAY he would let Blaine Gabbert walk away from his verbal without a huge fight if he even remotely thought he was staying here.

Callahan knows he's gone and he's not doing anything to convince his recruits otherwise.

That's proof enough for me.

Not to overrate recruiting 'stars' but if you look at next years Notre Dame team, and if those kids pan out, there's a couple of national championships in that class. I've never been a fan of Notre Dame, and don't follow too closely (I let my buddy in South Bend do it for me), but I think Weiss's surgery and subsequent law suit distracted him this season. He'll remain and be good next season, while NU rebuilds for 3-5 years.

Couple of things - I think you are overrating recruiting stars. The recruiting services have been "off" quite a bit lately (see: Notre Dame, Nebraska, Michigan, etc.) and further whatever a kid does in High School really doesn't mean much to their success in College, just like success in College means next to nothing in predicting success in the Pros (see: Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, Mike Williams, etc.)

Also, don't count on Nebraska needing even three years to "rebuild." We have an atrocious coaching staff that can recruit players but cannot coach them or gameplan properly. We have a LOT of talent on this team, and a lot of young talent. See what Bob Stoops did with the players he inherited his first year, and his MNC in year #2. We have that kind of talent on our team, we just have a staff who doesn't know how to motivate or exploit it.

Eh. You've got a point about the rehashing.

And you've been here longer than me. ;-)

I'd say NU. While we have 4 wins....we have 6 losses. ND lost A LOT from last season. They had a backup that had no experience and a true freshman for QBs. It was going to be impressive for them to hit 500 with that roster and schedule. On the other hand....this was supposed to be THE YEAR for us. All of the pieces were 'coming together' for a run following up a Big XII north appearance. As we have seen, we have unexpectedly fallen on our faces....ND was kind of expected to.

That pretty much sums it up. We knew coming into this season that we had an inexperienced D-Line, but we were supposed to have this great offense chock full of talent at every position from QB to RB to WR to O-Line.

The best-laid plans of mice and men...

Please place rant here.

Thank you.

And the other Jim Rose thread on Page One of this forum was not used... why?

So are you going to be Jerry for us and get your pointer out and explain how that cigarette must have turned 90 degrees - in midair, mind you - while Kramer and Newman stand by, abashed? =D

Once again, sCrUmptious, I would repeat that several of us have seen cigarettes flicked quite a number of feet. They do fly, whether your personal experience says so or not.

On top of that, remember that back in the 1980s they wore shorter jerseys, so it didn't necessarily have to go through the breathing holes in the material. It could have gotten under the shirt.

The reality is that this could have happened. You and I think it's highly unlikely and that there are more probable explanations, but that's not proof.

It's possible. Just not probable.

And since it's possible, and we have no reason to think that Danielle is lying, I think we can probably give her the benefit of the doubt on this one.

At the end of the day it's not a big deal whether it was a cigarette or a pom-pom or an orange - we all know that stuff gets thrown on the field at games.

It's kind of fun to sit back and watch a thread spiral out of control. I imagine this is what a spaceship would look like as it is slowly sucked into a black hole.

Round and round it goes, until finally it tips over the event horizon and :blink!: it's gone.

=)

I'm not about to get in a pissing match with you, but I do know what I'm talking about; furthermore, there is JUST NO WAY that you can compare the post-Osborne teams with the era of the 90's. Tenure of staff and players is far different, as is the caliber and parity of other college programs.

 

Remember that Osborne's teams usually won when they were supposed to, and they lost when they were expected to. I remember it pretty clearly, and that's why Coach O was looking for work in the late-70's and early 80's. I was one of those that were saying that he should go. I was an idiot, but that whole thing taught me a lot. How long did it take Coach O to find just the right formula for success? Over 20 years.

 

In addtion, I'm certain that even you would have to admit that there is something very strange going on with the defense this year. We don't know it yet, and it is likely that we will never know for certain . . . but you can bet that it revolves around 4-5 players.

I'm not trying to start anything either. I just disagree with your premise that coaches don't affect attitude and performance. I believe they do.

And while it took T.O. 22 years to find the National Championship formula, I would counter that he had a great deal of success throughout his career. He was one play away from winning the MNC in 1983, and how many more years was he one win away from playing for it all? And even more than T.O. looking for a job, remember how everyone and their brother was calling for Charlie McBride's head in the late 80s? "He can't coach," "He has no idea what he's doing," etc. He turned out pretty well in the end, though. But it was only after he learned to adapt to the current game and learned how to get the most out of all of his players. HE was responsible for those dominating defenses of the 90s, not ONLY the players.

And yes, "even I" would agree that there is something wrong with this defense. =) It is certainly a few players, but it is also Cosgrove. There is just no way to absolve him from wrongdoing in this debacle. He is doing something wrong, and the players are doing something wrong, and the result is... this season.