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On 3/19/2021 at 9:34 AM, Hilltop said:

I don't understand the reasons.  What motivation does either political party have to piss off the majority of their population?  I know many people from both sides of the red/blue line that are so over the restrictions that don't make sense.  How does fan attendance in a giant open air stadium play a part in player or staff health?  Maybe the guy taking tickets will have to wear some PPP but that is no different than a Walmart cahier.  To me this is about control from the B1G and it has absolutely nothing to do with the health and safety of anyone.  

I don't think this is about control.  Michigan has seen their cases climb since the last week of February.  I think the B1G is taking a let's wait and see approach.  It's only March.  A lot can change between now and September.  There are still a lot of unknowns with regards to the different vaccines and the variants.  

On 3/19/2021 at 6:20 PM, Sgt Red said:

https://huskers.com/sports/football/roster/2021?&sort=class

The number of all red shirt or true freshmen on the team is 111.  SF is changing the talent level for the better.

Do you have anything to back up the bolded?  Maybe, a better question would by why are we heading into year four so young?  We are young and inexperienced.  Why, as we enter year four?  Are we still going to be using this excuse as we head into year six or seven?    

13 hours ago, admo said:

 

That's fine if you feel that way.  It hasn't been a good run since Osborne left.  Solich had a few fine seasons with some good players tho.  Then it went downhill his last few years and onward with the rest of them (coaches and teams).  Nebraska, UCLA, Tennessee, Colorado, Miami Fla, and Florida State (to a degree) have not been the same since the 90's ended (and early 2000's).  In the past 5-8 years it's amazing how USC and Texas have been struggling compared to when they kinda dominated for a decade.  Florida hasn't been nearly as good as the Urban Meyer/Tebow years. So, as bad as it has been, we are not alone.  Out of the 8 teams I randomly mentioned, 3 or 4 will eventually rise back into the upper-mid elite status again.  Maybe 5 of these teams will.  I can only hope Nebraska will be one program/team that does. After 3 years with this promising coaching staff, we still have ways to go.  But, more and more time will tell.

I agree with you that the majority of those listed could rise back into upper-mid elite status.  However, there are two that stick out like a sore thumb.  One in particular with regards to recruiting hotbed.  For all the parity we hear about in college football, isn't it amazing that year in and year out it's almost exactly the same teams in the playoffs?  I'm just hopeful we can become more of a force in the West.      

27 minutes ago, Savage Husker said:

Firing Bo Pelini the year before would have been the right move, the following year is why we’re in this mess. It’s only tolerable to those now because it’s Frost, otherwise, we would be on a new AD and HC and the Nebraska football program is still another 3-5 seasons away. 

Isn't that Nebraska's MO?  The exact same could be said about Solich.  Had we fired him the year before we did, we more than likely wouldn't have had to endure the Clownahan years.  Michigan and Nebraska are in the same boat.  They have both hired their saviors, but it hasn't exactly panned out.  Harbaugh is further along at Michigan than Frost is here which makes it very interesting to see what they do the next couple of years.  

3 hours ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

All Jucos are not made equally. Usually your P5 bouncebacks are the safest bet. Really takes an extra level of digging when you are looking Juco. 

So, was Bill Snyder just that good; just that lucky; or a combination of the two?  His recruitment of high school players was typically at or right at the bottom of the Big 12 which really shouldn't surprise anyone considering Manhattan, KS is roughly the same size as Grand Island, NE.  However, they ranked near or at the top with JuCo recruiting.  KState had some pretty decent seasons with those JuCo players.  It takes a special coach to not only identify JuCo talent but to also cultivate that said talent within their program.  

I don't see a future where Nebraska is successful trying to bring in elite high school players into the program.  It's going to take a mixture and more than likely a heavy mixture of JuCo players to get us where we want to go.  

16 hours ago, SECHusker said:

After this Oklahoma situation, if we don't look competent and are not comfortably over being bowl eligible (7+ wins), Moos is gone; with Frost to follow a year later.  That's my prediction.

Your prediction is more than likely correct.  However, I'm not sure Moos can really be found at fault here.  He landed the two coaches that almost all fans and boosters wanted.  Can he really be held accountable if/when they don't pan out?  Considering we don't know all the in's and out's of ducking OU, I'm not sure he really is at fault.  Who even knows if it was his idea?  It would appear to me that he is doing everything within his power to make sure his coaches do succeed.    

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

Ok, I’m upset that we are trying to get out of this game.  
 

However, OU can go suck it on trying to act like they are all above the same thing.  There was a time when their program had fallen off and we were kicking the crap out of them every year. They worked it then so they didn’t have to play us every year. 

To the bolded:  this is a really bad take.  It is true that OU fell on hard times.  It is also true that when the Big 12 was formed they didn't have to play us every year.  However, they didn't vote the way they did to duck us.  They did it so that they would play Texas every year.  The same Texas where a lot of their talent comes from.  Other than the history, what exactly did they have to gain by playing Nebraska every year?  Absolutely nothing.  When was the last time OU recruited a Nebraska high school player?  Nebraska did themselves zero favors with regards to recruiting when they left the Big 12.  We should be trying to schedule Texas and A&M annually.  

Back to the topic at hand.  This is probably the lowest we have fallen in my lifetime.  At first, I didn't really think much about the transfers of some of our better players.  Now, I'm beginning to wonder if there aren't a lot more problems within the program than I originally thought.  I know I've asked this before, but how many top notch coaches suffered through as many miserable seasons as Frost has before turning the corner into an elite program?  Has there ever been any?  

47 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Wouldn't that be ironic - Craig Bohl coming back to coach at NU. 

Just icing on the cake.  All jokes aside, Bohl is getting a bit long in the tooth for the rebuild here (62).  Plus, he has a losing record at Wyoming whereas the Bobfather won 75% of his games there.  We've dinked around long enough playing musical chairs with coaches.  It's high time we stick with one.  As we go into the future, it appears there will be more and more money involved in college football.  The teams that have stability will be the ones that are successful.        

21 hours ago, TGHusker said:

So does that mean:

1. Frost turns into a new BobFather

or

2. BobFather # 2 is only a couple of years away

And he's currently at Wyoming?

On 12/19/2020 at 10:45 AM, Husker_Bohunk said:

Is there anyone that has done this?

I have no idea.  It's why I asked.

2 hours ago, Decoy73 said:

Hoping for a bowl and a good, fun experience for the players.  Give them something to shoot for next season.  

I'm just not sure a bowl game will be a fun experience for the players considering the covid protocols and the amount of lockdowns.  Depending on which bowl, their parents might not even be able to attend.  A bowl game this year more than likely will be viewed by most players as just another game in a strange, weird season.  I hope they do make a bowl, but I doubt the experience will be viewed as fun for most.

36 minutes ago, Loebarth said:

 

Genuine Question:

Have you ever considered what our beloved program would currently look like if TO would have done what he should have done and that is, taking over as the AD when Coach D was retired. Solich likely remains, Bo stays as a DC along with the other young coaches Solich brought in. Callahan/Cosgrove never arrive. The program likely remains consistent and in at least a couple more conference championship games. We likely never leave the Big 12. We likely remain very relevant in the sport as a whole and well.. Solich likely retires, takes over as AD and Frost arrives with a solid foundation that stretches over a 40 year span.

 

Odd so many forget that much of our current environment is a direct correlation to a decision (right or wrong) made by a man we hold so dear!

You might be on the right path, but I don't think it plays out this way.  First of all, there's not a snowballs chance Bo would have stayed for the long haul under Solich as DC.  He had aspirations of being a HC all along.  If Solich were to retire here, I'd say it's a lot more likely that either Turner Gill or Bo replaces Solich after he retired as long as Solich didn't stay too long because Bo more than likely bolts by 2010 or before.  I'm not sure about currently being in the Big 12 either.  If memory serves me right, TO was the AD when we joined the B1G.  I'm guessing no matter what we're still in the B1G.  

Which part?  I think it was reported this last weekend that Texas was proceeding with Herman because Meyer had turned them down. 

11 minutes ago, Bledred said:

With Urban Meyer, I do believe past performance is indicative of future results.  He didn't take his dream job at Notre Dame because they just didn't have the talent that Florida did.  I don't want to take away from Urban Meyer that he isn't a great coach, but he only takes jobs where the talent is already there.  Does this sound anything even remotely close to what Nebraska is?  If the rumors are true that he turned Texas down, there's not a snowballs chance in he11 he'd ever take the job here.  I don't follow Texas recruiting at all.  Maybe they just don't have the talent he thinks he needs to win.  However, I am surprised he turned them down considering the Big 12 is a weak conference.  The SEC wasn't nearly the dominant force when Urbs took the Florida job.  The B1G wasn't near the conference it is today when he took the Ohio State job.  The Texas job seemed like a slam dunk, and he turned them down.   

3 minutes ago, luvthecorn said:

Or, we could both go in for heart surgery and I could have the crew with 1-3 years experience which has a 95% positive outcome rate and you could have the crew with 5 years experience and a 60% positive outcome rate. My crew was better trained in its 1-3 years than yours was in 5 years. Who is more likely to survive?

 

Your argument totally ignores the fact that many coaches have gone into "dumpster fire" situations and turned the program around in the first 3 years.

This is what I'm thinking as well.  Now, let's tie this back to football.  How many coaches have started out at their respective schools with three losing seasons in a row that now are seeing sustained success?  

I would have thought a guy getting ejected from two games would have not received any post season honors.  2020 has been a really strange year.  

I don't think we lost because we threw it 30 times either.  My point is most teams pass more when they fall behind especially late in the game.  The Minnesota game almost felt like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.  Instead of taking what the defense gives, we just kept throwing the ball with one incomplete pass followed by another.  Is this what was meant when it was said the B1G might have to adjust to us?

18 hours ago, Husker in WI said:

 

Well we didn't play in December much, but we threw it 33 times against Oklahoma in late November in 1972. 30 times in 1973. 30 times in 1974. Definitely not a wide open throw it all over offense, but not 3 yards and a cloud of dust either. 

What do all of these games have in common?  We lost them all.  Does it surprise you at all we threw it 30 times late in November when we lost 27-0?    

19 minutes ago, KC Sker said:

We probably have no shot at landing a big time coach anytime in the next few years anyway and the money thing makes it even more unrealistic. Let the Frost era fester on for another 2-3 years, but be working in a slam dunk plan after that like right now .

 

I Don't see stoops coming back to the college ranks until Drake is done at OU and I doubt URBs goes to another big 10 team. Those 2 always stick in my mind because they seem like the only ones capable of the type of turn around we need. 

 

In my opinion, we need to get the hell out of the big 10. Go back to the big 12 where we belong. Close to the fan base, our recruiting wheelhouse and just for the friggin fact we don't belong in the big 10. We tried this little experiment when it looked like the big 12 was gonna fold and it's blown up in our faces, we gambled and lost...sh#t happens. It would be nice to go to an away game that was 3-4 hours away, not 12-24 driving (maybe a bit off topic but just another contributing factor to our failures) 

Neither one of these guys are coming here.  We fired Bo.  Wasn't Bo Stoops best man?  That bridge was burnt a while back.  Urbs potentially is capable of the turn around we need, but he hasn't done that since his days at Bowling Green and then Utah.  Florida was absolutely stacked with talent when he took the head coaching job.  It's why he chose Florida over his dream job of Notre Dame.  There was only one season between Tressel and Urbs at Ohio State.  Tressel left the cupboard very well stocked.  Plus, Urbs has had health issues.  He isn't coming here.  

I can't think of a single coach out there that I would feel relatively comfortable with the ability to turn this thing around.  We've tried the ex-NFL guy.  It didn't work.  We tried one of the hottest coordinators.  We fired him.  We tried the poor man's Bill Snyder.  We fired him.  Now, we've tried the 2017 Home Depot Coach of the year.  Thus far, it hasn't been pretty; and we've fired others for doing better.  There just isn't a slam dunk hire out there.

3 minutes ago, Huskers93-97 said:

That’s a lame narrative your eating up about our fans. Any history rich program has fans with high expectations. Michigan, Florida, Florida State, Auburn, LSU. They all swap coaches at the first sign of trouble too. But I don’t hear anyone saying they are fickle. It gets chalked up to those SChools have a strong desire to excel 

One of the bolded doesn't seem to fit the rest.  Rust Belt vs. SE.  I'm not sure why everyone bags on Harbaugh and claims he can't coach considering he not only resurrected Stanford's program, but he also resurrected a San Francisco team that hadn't made the playoffs a single time in the decade before him.  Yet, he's struggling at Michigan and might lose his job.  Bob Stoops made a lateral move years ago as DC for KState to DC for Florida.  He was tired of working 14-16 hour days under Snyder.  While he was at Florida, he rarely missed his 3:00 tee time.  Recruiting is much easier in those parts.  The long hours and grind just aren't necessary.  There have been some really mediocre coaches win a NC at some of those schools you mentioned.  I'm looking at you Gene Chizik and Ed Orgeron.  

Nebraska and Michigan are in similar waters.  Both have brought back coaches to their alma mater that had previous success at other programs.  Michigan is in year 6 while Nebraska is in year 3.  Both have been trying to hire "slam dunk" coaches for well over a decade.  Thus far, it hasn't worked.  I actually don't see a "slam dunk" hire that either could make right now.   

4 hours ago, Husker03 said:

No, there is a definite difference in how different generations handle themselves, and to argue that todays under 30 crowd isn't much more, "me first, now," is silly.  The older generation is just upset because we were all duped into taking everybody's happiness into account when were coming up in the game. A prime example is how common "ghosting," has become in society. Years ago, you didn't "ghost" a job interview because you will have wasted another person's time and efforts. Now, it is all about if you even feel like showing up that morning. It is crap, but it is what it is. I will never be convinced that being rude and self centered and demanding instant gratification is best for very many people in the long run, and I think that is already starting to show in overall decreased happiness across the board in society. The rules of existence haven't changed which leads to a disconnect over the long haul when people feel they should be able to get what they want at the push of the button but are constantly reminded that the best things in life still come with planning and work and time and so are left feeling empty.  But I digress, the transfer portal is another manifestation of this. It has been shown over and over and over again that the majority of the kids that enter do not improve their status overall. Now, we can make excuses that where ever they ended up was exactly what they were seeking, we can move the goalposts to fit the narrative like we do with JD, ie, he got a new experience in a warm place so it was still a good move, but if we are calling a spade a spade, his better move would have been to swallow his ego and stick it out another year at NU. Wandale leaving might end up being a great move for him personally, nobody can see into the future. But it will hurt ALOT of people in it's wake and is a very high risk/low reward move. I hope the Wandale part of the rumor isn't true because I have always looked at him like I look at Martinez, guys that are committed to the state and the program as leaders. 

I think we're trying to lay blame at the wrong generation.  To the bolded, those responsible would happen to be their parents.  It's my generation that really is to blame.  I'm in my mid-40's, and my generation is totally to blame.  While I am not a teacher, I have family that have been in the business for quite some time.  They've all told me that about 15 years or so ago parents went from disciplining their children when they screwed up at school to blaming the teachers when their children screwed up at school.  My generation has taught their children that nothing is ever their fault.  If they don't succeed, it's always someone else's fault.  We reap what we sow. 

4 minutes ago, gossamorharpy said:

I dont think its mind boggling at all.  Rewatch this past weekends game and the noodle arm on display throughout.  Luke cannot be trusted to throw more than 5 yards, AM seems to have the arm but his accuracy and precision is just no where close to sufficient for consistent results.  At least not the results this fan base expects

OK, then what about Smothers?  Are we just completely screwed for the next several years because of the QB position?  

BC might be a heck of an OL coach in the NFL, but that doesn't mean he would be in college.  I seem to remember Zac Taylor getting pummeled on nearly every drop back pass.  In the NFL, there really isn't a lot of development left to be had.  Once you are at that level, you pretty much have technique down to a science.  College is different.  You are taking guys all over the spectrum in terms of where they are at technique wise.  One of BC's biggest downfalls here was he couldn't develop talent.  He was pretty good at recruiting it, but not so good at development.  

Back when it was being decided how many years a high school player needed to be removed from their senior year before they could go pro, it was heavily discussed by position groups with NFL GM's and coaches.  The only position group that most NFL people agreed upon that could make the leap from high school to the pros was the WR position.  It is mind boggling why our young receivers aren't making more of an impact.