Guy Chamberlin

Brasky may be right. Brasky may be wrong.

But do keep in mind there's a long history of sports scandals (and non-sports scandals) that all follow the urban-myth formula of second and third hand witnesses who divulge the real dirt, which has invariably been buried in a conspiracy by a much larger entity with a much bigger reputation to protect. These often involve statuatory rape cases and/or sex with a coaches daughter, or drug arrests in which the arresting officers let the players go because they have money riding on the game.

Most of these claims are never proven one way or the other. The truth is usually much more boring.

Yet anyone who knows anything about 20 year old football players knows that something like Brasky claims could easily happen. And yes, an athletic department would behave precisely this way in response, having run it all past university lawyers.

Wouldn't put any money on this either way.

If Cody and the University of Nebraska are not on the same page about a clear NCAA violation — and that has just been verified — then we will not be "moving on" for a bit. It could get ugly. But I'm guessing the Redskins vetted through Pelini, not Cody, and everyone will figure a way to sweep it back under the rug.

Unless the NCAA gets pissy.

By the way, Laurence Phillips was an open book of violence, abuse and horrible judgement when he was drafted in the first round.

Remember, that record-setting QB from Texas Tech, Graham Harrell, didn't get drafted either.

I'm guessing Ganz is in the leauge longer than Harrell. And I guarantee he survives longer than Josh Freeman.

People, can we please get back to the subject at hand? The rampant unverified speculation as to the crime or indiscretion committed by a football player who no longer attends the University of Nebraska?

In fairness to Frank Solich, he coached a '99 team that lead the NCAA in turnovers but also managed to go 12-1, win its major bowl game and finish ranked #3. He then coached a 2001 team to the national title game, despite that oft mentioned blowout loss to Colorado. But that wasn't a great Nebraska team. Solich wasn't in over his head, the team just wasn't national championship caliber. One could argue he took them as far as they could possibly go.

Then he rebounded from an utterly dismal 7 - 7 season in 2002 to lead a similarly flawed 2003 team to a 9 - 3 record and a second tier bowl invitation, the kind of performance that would have fit in anywhere in Tom Osborne's first 20 seasons.

But then, Frank Solich wasn't fired entirely on the basis of his coaching ability.

I have wrote your name down on my list...when Green wins the Heisman, you will be publicly humiliated into submission...and will have to by the whole board the drinks of their choice...mine will be a 55 gallon drum of Bud Light.

Someone is buying drinks and you choose Bud Light?

I'm sorry sir, but from here on out your judgement is in serious question.

This could hurt Green's chances of winning a Nobel Prize.

Seems like every story about a Dad who grooms his son from infancy to be a star quarterback has an unhappy ending.

Except when the son is really really good.

We can overlook all kinds of bad behavior and primadonna attitude when a player is scoring touchdowns for our team.

Agree with Spartness.

And the Mizzou dude has some valid points.

The great equalizer is smart recruiting, customized for the program. The fact is, for every star recruit the glamour programs try to seduce, there are probably a half-dozen players who will go on to have better football careers. By the time some of these high school kids are five-star recruits, they already have entourages turning them into fragile head-cases.

Still, I'd like to see a program instituted where coveted recruits visiting Lincoln get sexed up by our hottest coeds. Let's make our Capitol Building stand for something.

Good rule of thumb in determining your outrage:

Replace the word "Nebraska" with "Texas" in any story about football players run amok, and see if you would refuse to pass it along as scurrilous rumor.

Can't blame you young people for being young, but no way is this anyone but Junior Miller.

He shouldn't crack the top 3, but still good to see Frosty Anderson listed. He had one monster season, although that could be the hazy recollection of my youth.

And his name was Frosty. And that was cool.

 

There's nothing dishonest about it. No one is making up identities or email addresses to "fool" the voting software. If ESPN is going to allow people to vote more than once, it's going to happen.

I'm talking about people voting for football programs they DON'T respect in the top 10, so as to deny the Huskers' legitimate contenders.

But yeah, it's fan voting. So if Nebraska loses to another program whose fans have figured out a faster way to refresh and revote online, we must bow to their clear superiority.

Just voted and NU is #1 now in overall points and #1 votes, guess the online voting power of the Big Red Machine is coming through again. Wonder what Herbstreit would say about this?

What would he say about Nebraska fans gaming the system by obsessively and dishonestly voting?

Why yes, that will teach him to respect Nebraska.

And remember, it's entirely possible Helu and Castille will finish their careers platooning with if not outright replaced by some hotter RB on his way up. Despite the flashes they've shown, I'm not sure either would rank with the go-to guys on Osborne or Solich teams.

 

Sometimes that playbook can be a bit too much and I think it deters younger players from getting playing time because the playbook is so darn big. I wouldn't be surprised if on the day Callahan got fired, he grabbed a U-HAUL to take his playbook back home.

WCO playbook can be big because it uses every available option to an offense. But a coach can always edit it down as necessary. It doesn't have to be complicated. In some ways it's more like the sandlot football a lot of kids grew up with. I don't see it detering younger players, though I do think it requires an especially savvy quarterback confident enough to call some of his own shots.

In the BCS game OU's FB, Clapp, #34 was knocked on his behind on some shorrt yardage running plays, while I see Macovicka and Legette killing folks on blocks and they were both walkons!

Well if it's a matter of what you choose to see in your mind, I like to remember Nebraska kicking ass and Oklahoma failing, too. Just not sure what it has to do with the subject.

I think we can all agree that we would rather have Tebow than Ganz, and nobody is saying that Tebow isn't a good college football player who probably would have experienced success wherever in college he went. I admit that, anyone who doesn't admit that is being ignorant.

 

However, it's not the question being asked; i don't care anymore, the fact that this thread is 3 pages long is ridiculous. Shut it down!

Speaking for everyone, I accept your apology.

While I'll happily come to the defense of Tim Tebow against all this catty housewife sniping, in no way does it diminish my view of Joe Ganz.

We only had Joe as a starter for a year and change, and they weren't the most memorable Husker seasons, but with respect to Mr. Deed, he most definitely goes in my Top 5 QBs, well ahead of Humm, Taylor, Crouch and Frost.

Or to put it another way....imagine Joe Ganz leading an offense with Ahman Green in the backfield, and being backed by a defense that ranked somewhere north of the bottom 50.

Okay, let's play a new pointless game.

Could Tommy Frazier start for this Nebraska system?

Without Callahan bringing in the WCO, Lucky doesn't get to set any records as a receiver, and he wasn't going to set records as a rusher, either, though as mentioned he had a good year with Callahan as a multi-faceted feature back, and that is the only reason he will get consideration in the NFL.

Lucky did play under Pelini, and even respecting his injuries it appeared that Pelini considered Marlon no better than a valued role player in a running back platoon. Pelini and Callahan were both right.

If Lucky played under Tom Osborne, he would not have started a single game.

Marlon Lucky did everything asked of him during some troubled times and did it without whining. I wish him the best.

To be honest, after that Oklahoma blowout I couldn't argue that this team was any better than last years' team. Maybe in terms of the locker room and the alumni mood and the overall Callahan fatigue. But on the field? No. Not really.

Then they made their run, and by the end of the season I was cheering for the defense. Ganz & Co. carried the team most of the way, but that Clemson victory belonged to the D. That's a HUGE change, and it came about through development and adjustments. Defenses win championships and having Pelini in charge bodes well for the Huskers in this conference.

I still think we have to be ready for an improved defense and a new quarterback to offset each other next season, and we could be looking at another 9 - 4 campaign - or worse - in a conference that won't be any easier. And we still need to consider it progress.

Wait. You need one more post to address this.

Tim Tebow could start for Nebraska and run the system.

But the highly flexible WCO system would adjust for Tebow's skillset. And Tebow would likely show improvement as he learned the system.

The Huskers would probably pass a little less and run a little more.

Tebow would break off a few big runs, be a sure thing inside the 10 yard line, and even General Blackshirt would be sporting a huge woody for Tim Tebow in Husker red, the same way we overlook some of the statistical shortcomings of Tommy Frazier because HE LED THE TEAM TO TWO NATIONAL FRICKIN' CHAMPIONSHIPS.

And my 100% sure-lock guarantee? If Tim Tebow started for Nebraska, this board would be full of people claiming Sam Bradford's Heisman win shows an appalling lack of respect by the media for Tim Tebow.

Looks like we've wandered way off the patience of Tom Osborne (and it wasn't really patience) but the nice thing about the West Coast Offense is that it's a big playbook of high percentage options. So you take what a defense will give you. And that can change from game to game.

. Personally I don't think witt is up to the challenge. I havn't been impressed by anything he has done

Let's not forget that he averaged 4 yards a carry in the Gator Bowl.