Jeremy

We were a QB sneak away from a much different result vs the Gophers. Martinez was banged up, didn't want to run much. Whatever the difference is between Nebraska and Minnesota, it isn't much, considering both last year and this year, the games came down to 1 score.

1 minute ago, ColoradoHusk said:

O'Brien would be better than a military academy coach.

We don't know that. Agree to disagree?

4 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

But, but, Saban and Carrol, and look Meyer sucks in the NFL too... 

Urban Meyer has already won 2 national championships. O'Brien doesn't even belong in the same conversation as Urban. Saban and Petey ended up in recruiting hotbeds; they're surrounded by 4 and 5 star talent. We have to scratch and claw all over the country to get a couple dozen to commit - totally different circumstances. 

Edit: Wait...maybe you're being facetious?

If O'Brien ends up in Lincoln, I'm done. I know, I know, nobody cares, good riddance. I just know that I'm not alone in that.

Just because he won some games at Penn State doesn't mean he could do the same in Lincoln. He was drummed out of the NFL for good reason, and we don't need another failed NFL guy pushing Nebraska even further into mediocrity. 

13 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

We have practically every single year since we joined the B1G finished 3rd-5th in the conference. We just haven't had a coach worth a crap. Heck we currently have 24 4+ star players on our team and we are losing to teams with less than half of that star power. 

Also, both Calhoun and Monken are solid coaches. Seriously. 

3 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

We have practically every single year since we joined the B1G finished 3rd-5th in the conference. We just haven't had a coach worth a crap. Heck we currently have 24 4+ star players on our team and we are losing to teams with less than half of that star power. 

When I see two dozen 4 star kids, I think 'Good God, what an awesome option team that would make.'

11 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

National recruiting analyst Tom Lemming called Frazier "the best all-around quarterback I've seen in five years. ... A great ballhandler and runner. A great precision passer. This was said when he signed with Nebraska out of HS. He picked us over Notre Dame and Clemson

Between Dantonio retiring and covid Tucker lots in excess of 30 guys to the portal. 

Okay, maybe Frazier wasn't the best example. I did read that several schools recruited him to play defensive back, and we wanted him as quarterback. 

Anyway, the point remains. As it is now, our recruiting is last in the B1G. Outside of hiring Urban Meyer, I don't see that changing a whole lot. With an option guy, its about athletes, consistency, and repetition. We would be fine for all 3 of those. 

5 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

we will be recruiting outside of the top 50 with that offense. Basically getting first pick of players over the military academies. I would rather gamble on a Chadwell, Leipold, Aranda etc. We just have to out do the rest of the West and historically we out recruit them every year other than this year. A competent coach can take our top 25 classes and have us in the top 25. 

Possibly. I contend that we would get things rolling pretty quickly, and we would recruit well, at least on defense. 

Another advantage is that we don't need to recruit better than Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State. We won't be wasting time with recruiting visits to CJ Stroud or Arch Manning, or pissed off because Ohio State just got a legacy kid like Dylan Raiola over us. We wouldn't have trouble getting a stable of running backs.  We'll need a few good receivers, but not nearly as many as we're going after now. The recruiting rankings might not be great, but with this offense, the stars don't matter a whole lot. I don't think anyone was going after Tommie Frazier as a QB, but he came to Lincoln to run a ground-based option attack. We could still get kids like that, because there are still plenty of high schools around the country running option offenses. 

We just need to learn from the past. Sure, we've out-recruited the rest of the teams in the west, but be haven't beaten them much with 3 coaches running pro/spread stuff. We need to be different.

1 minute ago, TGHusker said:

Had to look him up.  What is big draw about him?    Urb won't happen. 

 

I can understand Monken and Calhoun. Why do you think they have an advantage over Chadwell?   We do need to differentiate ourselves from all of the schools that have similar offenses and have a greater recruiting base.  So, I see where you are going wt Monken, Calhoun and Chadwell.  

Thompson is an flexbone guy just like Monken and Calhoun. To me, they're all about the same when it comes to that particular offense. You kinda know what you're gonna get, just small differences here and there. It's the overall philosophy, the scheme; ground and pound option football that matters. It's one of the reasons I like it; the pressure is spread all around the field, and not so much just on the coach and quarterback. When the coach calls a play, he's not expecting his QB to drop back and put a perfectly-placed ball over linebackers and in front of safeties on a Y-cross. He's expecting 5 guys up front to drive forward, beat up some defenders in the box, and whoever ends up with the ball to get at least 4 yards. And then line up and do it again. Over and over, lulling them to sleep until you hit an A-back or tight end wide open down the field. It's a much easier read and pass. I'd rather do that than...whatever Frost is trying to do.

Chadwell would be an interesting pick. The problem is that his stuff is not a whole lot different than what Frost is doing now. He does have an option set, but doesn't go to it much more than Frost does. Another problem is that it's really QB-centric. When McCall was hurt last year, their offensive effectiveness tanked badly. In the flexbone, the backup is normally just about as effective as the starter, because there isn't a whole lot of pressure on him besides a couple simple reads. The 'if/then' scenarios are much more predictable and manageable. 

I look at this a lot differently than everyone else. 

There are only a few guys I want in Lincoln: Jeff Monken, Troy Calhoun, Brent Thompson, or Urban Meyer. Yes, I am willing to sell my soul for him.

It's option football (or Urban-ball), or die. Nothing else will bring us back.

Bill O'Brien? Gag me. Callahan 2.0

Aranda? Maybe, but as much or more of a risk than Frost

Campbell? Who knows if his stuff works in the B1G?

Chadwell? Maybe, but again, it's a risk.

Basically, it's as big or more of risk to fire Frost and hire anyone else. If we fire Frost, whatever recruiting classes we have in the next few years would be gutted. The guys we DO have would be hitting the portal by the dozens.

I actually think Frost can put it together next year with an easier schedule, maybe a healthy Martinez, or different quarterback. Maybe we build momentum going forward after that. If we fire him for another up-and-comer, we'll be left in the same lurch as '04 and '15, but longer, and worse. So far, we've been IN the games. Fire Frost? We MIGHT win 3, if we're lucky for the next 2 years while the next staff tries yet ANOTHER pro/spread scheme, losing recruiting battles against OSU, Michigan, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Penn State. Another 2 at least before we're even as competitive as we are now. No thanks.

Keep Frost. Unless we can get Monken, Calhoun, Thompson, or Urb.

4 hours ago, TGHusker said:

Costal Carolina and Cinci are 3&4 on the list. Two coaches we should go after. Chadwell and Finkell

Finkell is Einhorn, Einhorn is Finkell!

Chili and cinnamon rolls is as Nebraska as Tom Osborne. We might lose the last vestige of Husker glory - the sellout streak - but we'll ALWAYS have chili and cinnamon rolls...

Long before this was even a thing, Urban Meyer told Burrow, to his face, 'You're a division 3 quarterback, at best.' 

I would say that's a much bigger story than the whole Frost thing, and I don't know why Urban gets a pass.

3 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

The ONLY way the fan base would be OK with this is if there's major changes in the program with assistants...etc.  If Frost is retained, the fan base needs to be given something major that the program can hang it's hat on that would show the fan base...a) we don't like where we are at...and b) we are willing to do XYZ to get better.

 

Just telling the fan base that everything is fine...trust us....isn't going to cut it.

I can agree with that. Sounds like Austin and Verduzco would be on the chopping block in that case; anyone else...maybe Held? 

I have to wonder, though, if that's just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. What assistants could even come here and improve things, Bo Pelini-style?

2 minutes ago, lo country said:

Here is what concerns me if he is retained 1 more year or 10.....

When talking about 1 score games:

 

It(NU) has had an opportunity to drive to tie or win a game in the last four minutes 16 times under Frost and gone scoreless on 15 possessions. 

https://hailvarsity.com/football/nebraska-scott-frost-are-running-out-of-time-to-find-the-answer/

No you're absolutely right. I'm just saying the argument could be made (maybe not very convincingly) that Frost is 'just a play away,' 'so close,' 'gonna get there if he can just keep recruiting his guys,' 'building a strong culture,' etc. 

I think if Trev came out with this message, most Husker fans would shrug and say, 'maybe, yeah, sure,' and keep waiting for Frost and whatever staff he has to turn the corner. 

1 minute ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

When Sipple becomes critical (he was yesterday) then you can assume that the seat is much warmer than you think. I have always viewed Sipple as the mouthpiece of the Athletic Department. Once he starts to get critical and talk of "the end" well that usually means he was given the greenlight to do so. 

You might be right. It just seems like Trev is a cool customer when it comes to this; playing his cards close to the vest. I figured if Scott was on his way out, there would be other indications, because by this point in the season, the only guy that seemed to think he would continue coaching football at Nebraska after 2017 was Mike Riley himself.

42 minutes ago, gobiggergoredder said:

After a long weekend I finally read the title of this thread.  Sometimes we look like corncob gomers.

Yeah, it's really been irking me. Can they seriously not edit that?

By all indications so far, I don't think Trev is going to pull the trigger this year no matter what. By this point in 2017, the writing was on the wall for Riley. Dead man walking. Currently, while the press conferences are awkward and stilted, everyone seems to be going about their business as usual. 

Get blown out at home by the Buckeyes, maybe things change, but it doesn't seem likely. Trev will probably come out with some schpiel about how competitive we were, one play away in so many games and whatnot, that we should give Scott a chance to keep recruiting and building the program. Heck, he might be right.

Now, the fate of the assistants? That's anyone's guess. 

One small silver lining is that the next few recruiting classes should stay together with the assurance that Frost will still be around, and there will be stability, somewhat, for the football program. August rolls around, hope floats anew, and we're all convinced that this will be the year that we win the West and compete for a conference title. 

1 minute ago, Savage Husker said:

There was an article by a Florida writer who was dissing Frost earlier this season when recalling their job search. They were all high on Mullen in September and now there are rumors he is going to be out? I find it comical

Exactly what I was thinking. Lose a few games, and oh how the tide turns. In our case, we've lost a lot more, though.

Somewhere in the realm of 56-14. Stroud, Olave, and Co. are WAY more to handle than O'Connell and David Bell; we couldn't stop Purdue. No way do we even slow down the Buckeyes. 

1 hour ago, hagg said:

I don't know.  I honestly think this has something to do with the steady decline in the program.  If we as Nebraskans have claimed to be connected to and a part of the reasons for the greatness of the past, then we're also connected and are a part of the reasons for the decline. 

You're more right than you know. The 7-7 season wasn't great, but I think a lot of people were calling for Solich's head at that time. 9-3 in '03, and I think there were still people campaigning for a new coach. 

Same song and dance with Pelini. We booed pretty loudly at halftime of the Ohio State game in 2011, and Pelini was probably job-hunting after that. We weren't content with the 9-10 wins every year, and this is where we've ended up. 

1 minute ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

We will agree to disagree. Saban and Carrol were NFL “washouts”

I could agree with that. Saban did have some success in the B1G before moving on from Michigan State, and Petey got out of LA before he was caught paying players and their families. 

Imagine this kind of football paired with a Blackshirt defense? 500 yards rushing against $EC speed? 

Nebraska football would be back in a BIG way if we went this direction. 

27 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

Bad GM but Hopkins was gonna hold out and was bringing his baby mamas to the practice facility. NFL players don’t tolerate complete control, but it works in college. He also won 4 division titles, and back to back division titles with Hoyer and Oswieler as his QBs. Being fired from the NFL means nothing about success at the college level. He has flaws but like I said checks many boxes. We will not have our pick of the litter.

If they hire O'Brien, Husker football will be officially dead. There is absolutely no excitement about replacing Frost with another NFL washout. Forget about the sellout streak; the stadium MIGHT be half full. Boring football, hovering around .500 most years. No thanks.

6 minutes ago, man eating mastodon said:

Bill is better than Scott 

Maybe, but I'd rather aim higher than the next Callahan, please.