Jeremy

2 hours ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

Its funny how when that offense doesnt work its just the coach isnt doing it right, but when other offenses dont its the scheme. 

What coach do see come to Lincoln and make us into a contender with a balanced, passing/pro-style/spread offense? 

After the last 19 years, do you honestly think it's going to magically happen this time after it's failed for that long?

22 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

Wow!  Really.

I'm not saying this, I am confirming what someone else was saying. 

I personally believe Osborne is one of the best coaches in history  and questioning his decisions/offensive philosophy is not a good look.

53 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

Players are bigger & stronger today.  Running a qb the way Osborne did is not smart.  Our qb issues are due to a poor oline.

Osborne wasn't smart. Really.

1 hour ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

We have been running option football most years. In fact most teams do some form of option now and I havent seen a single person say they was a completely non option offense. I think most people want a balanced offense. We have seen offenses that relied mostly on run. Inevitably that gets shut down because there will always be some teams that will force you to try and beat them in the air and it gets really ugly. Everyone is pushing back on the idea that we go even further into a rushing shell and limit the areas where we can beat defenses. Its def ok to be a run heavy offense but you cant be just that in p5 and expect to compete at the highest levels. 

Read option and Flexbone option are only the same insofar as they have a mesh point. Past that, the blocking schemes and overall philosophies are far different. 

We have tried to pass and be 'balanced' for 19 years. It obviously doesn't work. 

22 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

I was not expecting for someone to use the "scoring more doesn't tell you anything about winning" defense but here we are.

We once scored 51 against Colorado. 

And lost.

2 hours ago, runningblind said:

Running your quarterback that much is not a good idea in 2022. No one does this, there is a reason it's that way. You think you're smarter than all the coaches in FBS besides the ones that have no other option like the service academies?

We don't run our QBs much at all, and all 3 are hurt to varying degrees. That doesn't seem smart. 

Osborne was one of the last P5 coaches to run his QBs like he did. Was he not smart?

14 minutes ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

You have Ohio State as one of 2 examples so no you just gave one example and a g5 one at that. Frost also won a g5 championship with his offense.  If you want to say some thing say it. Don't do this question you know the answer to bulls#!t. I will prove why it's wrong and you can ignore it like you have everything else. 

 

You also keep talking about what we ran that didn't work but we have ran a lot of different offense since our last conference championship including some really bad years of running basically Osborne's offense, running heavily under Bo including a lot of option, running heavily 2 out of the 3 Riley years including some option, running heavily under Frost including a lot of options and taking concepts directly from Coastal. 

We don't have to run the exact same offense as OSU and i dont see anyone suggesting that , but guess what OSU and all those other schools are also going to try to get all the good HBs and Oline also. It does not matter what we run we have to eventually go get recruits from those guys. Adding to that those QBs that were fast and just ran option in HS are being taught to throw at least decent before they get to college and are high ranked recruits that every school wants now. 

 

We may not run the same offense, but we keep recruiting against OSU and Michigan and we lose 99% of the time. We need to stop wasting time and resources going after 5* guys like Dylan Raiola and 4/5* receivers, because they don't come here.

With the line, it's more about coaching, strength, and technique than stars, and wouldn't be a problem in a Flexbone type offense. 

I still don't get the reticence on this board for option football. 

9 minutes ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

Ok you got nothing. I guess I already knew that 

Nebraska isn't just any other program. We never have been. We have to be different. Sure, college football has changed, but there it's still 11v11 on a 120 yd x 55 yd field. Even in 99, we were probably the only team in P5 running that kind of offense.  No reason why it wouldn't be as effective today if not moreso. 

We will never out-recruit Ohio State for passing QBs or WRs. Hence, they will always beat us if we try to play their game. 

Why try to be a lesser version of other conference teams when we can be unique and hard to prepare for?

6 hours ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

That's very true but kids these days have aspirations to get to the nfl.  Im not saying they didn't have it in the past but kids don't want to be a running option qb and then have to switch positions once the nfl comes calling. In this day and age kids want to be well rounded in the position they play.

We haven't put QBs in the NFL since the 70s, why start expecting to now? The Flexbone is simple, and we could get a lot of guys able to run it. It's actually one of the advantages the service academies have - if the starter goes down, the back-ups can still effectively run the offense because all of the pressure isn't on that position.

Right now we look completely lost without Thompson out there, because this offense requires a guy who is hard to find. And even then, I'm pretty sure Thompson has as many interceptions as he does touchdowns. 

We will never get the NFL-bound QBs. We need to focus on what we can recruit. Linemen and bruising running backs. 

6 hours ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

If we're talking about bowl games, we've made plenty of those with more pass heavy offenses relative to the 90s.

 

You really can't make up your mind what your own argument is any further than "run good, pass bad".

Yes, we have made bowl games. But, even then I remember so many cases of 'who are we,' 'what's our identity?' And we didn't really have one. We had both pocket passers, dual-threats, and we tried to be a team that could do it all.  

But we couldn't. Starting with the lines, they were just never quite good enough, never enough practice time to be able to pass-block and bulldoze like teams in the top 10. Running backs that we expected to break tackles, pass-block, jump-cut, and have soft hands out of the backfield. Hard to find. We recruited hundreds of 4 and 5 star receivers, but very few elite guys came, most not seeing the ball enough for their liking anyway.

My argument is that a guy like Monken gives you an identity right away, and there's no question as what we're all about. Sure, we'd lose a lot to the portal initially, but something tells me that will happen anyway. 3 straight 3-win seasons can do that. 

We start with making a bowl, and keep building. Contend for the West, and punish the conference for having small defenders they have to recruit to keep up with Ohio State and everyone's spread game. 

We've tried everything else, why not go back?

40 minutes ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

I agree but I think now that athletes are more advanced in training you can't just run and throw like 10 passes a game. You have to keep defenses guessing.

Maybe. I would argue that the Flexbone has enough variations that we could keep defenses guessing, because on any given play, 1 of 4 people could end up with the ball inside or outside. 

With the proliferation of the spread, defenses have responded by becoming quicker, but smaller. 3-fronts, combo-backers, and extra DBs on the field. Teams couldn't do that against us. They couldn't run their regular defenses against us, nor make reads that they're used to. We would be difficult to prepare for. 

7 minutes ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

That's not necessarily true. In the 90's kids would come here from all over the country. If Nebraska brings a great head coach in say Deion Sanders just for example you don't think he would change high caliber kids thinking. I do that's just a example. We can't just run or pass  We should be balanced right now we aren't bc the o line is bad and the coaches aren't doing a good enough job of taking pressure off the line.  Certain plays should be called and they aren't. I watched TCU tonight and they are a very sound disciplined balanced offense. Texas was pressuring Max Duggan all night but the play calling got better throughout the game and eventually they won.   I know we brought Mark Whipple in to make our offense better but I wished we would run simple plays in space and not rely on the line to open holes. Our offense is very predictable right now bc we aren't a good football team plain and simple. Once we get a established good head coach, then thats when we will be competing again. I have faith that their are coaches in America that would love to coach here regardless of how we have looked for so long. Nebraska has a lot to offer.

I agree, mostly. However, before Solich was fired, we recruited pretty well because we had an identity. Everyone knew who and what Nebraska was about. We were going to RUN the football come hell or high water. The recruits knew what they were getting into, and we were that brand and identity. 

We need to go back to that. 

6 minutes ago, Lorewarn said:

 

 

convenient you leave out the history of how many run heavy teams have won championships in the last 20 years.

We will never recruit like Alabama, Clemson, LSU, or Ohio State. We can’t afford to waste time and money trying to get 5-star QBs and WRs when they have never and will never end up in Lincoln. We CAN get highly-recruited backs, linemen, and TEs, though. We can also get some high-rated defenders. 

Besides, why are we talking about championships when we can't even make a bowl game? Let's build up our lines, one game at a time, and little by little, fight back into this thing. 

We were never flash-in-the-pan. We have always been blue-collar, hard work for every yard. Dylan Raiola isn't coming to throw 40 TDs. We need to run the ball back to conference contention. 

1 minute ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

Outside of one year since 2009 we have run the ball more than passed including this year. Starting this year and going back our FBS rank in passing percentage is 65, 85, 95, 111, 57. So no i would not say any time outside the one Riley year were we pass happy. 

Pass-happy relative to the days when we led the country in rushing.

1 hour ago, Mavric said:

 

I commend your ability to make three completely different arguments in three straight posts and (apparently) convince yourself that you have been making the same argument all along.

Your commendation has been noted. My argument stays the same. Nebraska football will never be relevant again until they hire a staff absolutely committed to the offensive line and running game. I would prefer Monken, but that seems unlikely. 

We've recruited every blue-chip WR and QB since 04, and we're currently in the depths of a 6-year bowl drought. History says I'm right, but we keep trying to pound that square peg in the round hole, coach after coach.

29 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

7-3 & almost lost to a 3-6 navy.

Because Navy is able to hang around teams much talented than they are. Sometimes, they even win...

8 minutes ago, Husker816 said:

I'm done if it's Monken that guy sucks

If we keep hiring pass-happy coaches, we will continue to suck

8 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

I'm just saying that notre dame is not an elite team.  Navy is not a good team.

And yet, they were in the game...

1 minute ago, Mavric said:

 

OK.  That's your opinion that is very likely incorrect.  And also a totally different argument than you were making earlier.  

The last time we won 11 games, we were a power-option team. Why not go back to that? What has all this passing gotten us? I don’t get why people are so against option football. Is there any chance we're EVER going to out-recruit  Ohio State and Michigan for QBs and WRs? 

Heck no.

Let's focus on the ground game, and recruit for defense hard.

2 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

There is nothing blue chip about notre dame.  Kelly is gone and so is the nd

Nothing blue-chip about a team that beat top-10, undefeated Clemson?

2 minutes ago, Husker816 said:

Nothing to back up that kind of statement LMAO give me a break this is the B1G and it's not the 90s anymore 

Navy just ran all over Notre Dame's blue-chip defense. Every team the service academies play is more talented than they are, yet they always seem to win more than we do. Air Force has been bowl eligible for awhile. Remember what that was like?

3 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Um .... unless you want that to continue that would seem to *NOT* be a moot point.

We look absolutely pitiful trying to run Whipple's pass-happy crap. Nebraska football will NEVER be relevant again trying to pass the ball.

6 hours ago, Husker816 said:

Most our games will look like the 2003 kstate game if Monken is hired

1) There is absolutely nothing to back up this kind of statement. 

2) Our games look like that now, so your point is completely moot.

28 minutes ago, M.A. said:

 

That dude's a troll. 

 

As for running vs. passing, both being legitimate threats is ideal. 

True, it's ideal, but we've never been successful at both. We will never out-recruit, out-spread, or out-athlete Ohio State and Michigan. But we CAN match them physically if we focus completely on the offensive line and a unique running attack.

I'm coming around on Aranda, though. He coaches a very physical attack, solid defense. We could do worse than him, for sure.

43 minutes ago, GhostOfMoos said:

Fred Hoiberg looking to transition fields. Might be worth a look.

 

Mike Leach will also do anything for money, but you run-the-ball hicks would have rectal prolapse within 2 days of his hiring. 

We've been trying to pass for nearly 20 years. Maybe us run-the-ball hicks have always been right.

Aranda would a be a good hire. They run a physical spread with an effective play action and screen game. I don't see Mickey as OC, though, considering he has no experience in that position?

1 hour ago, hskrpwr13 said:

 

Had me with the first half about Joseph then lost me with the race crap. Within the realm of college football, I always viewed NU as more of a trendsetter in the "raced doesn't matter" category. Had a lot of black QBs in a time when some actually thought skin color translated to QB ability (or lack thereof). 

EXACTLY. Can we just STOP with the race crap? If Mickey had a modicum of success as a college head coach before this year, it wouldn't even be a debate right now. He would be the guy. The lack of experience is the ONLY thing holding him back. I don't know if many people have been on campus lately, but UNL is absolutely a progressive, dare I say liberal place. Trev doesn't care about race, and there are VERY few other people that do. 

Personally, I'm coming around to Mickey, purely because of his tenacious recruiting, and what these recruits are saying about him. They're saying things that no one ever said about Frost, or Pelini for that matter. Coleman said that Mickey is the only reason he chose UNL. I have to think there are others like him. We haven't had that kind of recruiting edge in a long time, and we can't afford to lose it now.

Mickey is the guy.