Jeremy

17 minutes ago, ZRod said:

Because we don't have them on our roster.

 

 

I don't think you even know what zone blocking is. Wisconsin uses it plenty. Again, literally everyone uses zone blocking from highschool to NFL. It's a staple of blocking schemes and is actually better and easier than the drive blocking you raved about. It creates advantages in numbers and leverage, double teams at the point of attack, as well as accounting for LBs at the second level. 

Does it really create an advantage, though? What 'numbers and leverage' did you see against Iowa? Are we really accounting for LBs at the second level? Because the actual results of what's happening on the field don't reflect what you're trying to tell me here AT ALL. The leading rusher for Nebraska this season was Adrian Martinez - by A LOT -, and a good deal of his yards came from scrambling on pass plays. Our running backs have very little space to run, and people are definitely NOT getting blocked.  

Please explain why a sane person would want to continue doing more of what we have been doing? I'm not saying to do away with zone blocking altogether - the service academies zone block every few downs, too. But we don't have a mindset of domination - like we can't block a defensive linemen unless it's 2 on 1. That's just weak.

I know that Iowa has always used zone blocking in their scheme, and it plays very well into their boot game. But, do you know what else they have? A fullback to lead block as well. What a concept.

2 minutes ago, OreGUNHusker said:

BTW - JoJo is a Riley recruit like I think Suh was a Callahan recruit for Pelini…

 

Crazy to think Jojo was Mike’s..if Gebbia, TJ others are allowed to blossom at N where are we now ?

Gebbia beat Oregon… I know N admin was obsessed with getting Frost.. hindsight is a …..

Frost might be a bust, but so was Riley, and change was definitely needed. It's just too bad Frost walked into Lincoln thinking he could bring us back with just a playbook and some platitudes. 

1 hour ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Your line of thinking of "who does he hire" is so dumb. Trev will go out and pursue coaches who he would be interested in.

My line of thinking isn't so much about Trev, as it is the pool of available, qualified coaching candidates. Guys that could really come in to Lincoln and turn things around like we wanted from Scott. Is the Brinks truck all that's needed to get a big name and make us relevant again, or has that ship sailed?

If they go after Willy Korn, and a good special teams guy, things could get interesting. 

If not? 3-4 wins, max. 

The real problem is, if Trev axes Frost, who does he hire? What options would he even have?

9 hours ago, Undone said:

Yeah but they had James White, Melvin Gordon, and Montee Ball at RB that year. We don’t exactly have those guys right now.

I would contend Yant and Scott would do nearly as well behind a line that blocks like Wisconsin. They have no room with our zone-blocking, patty-cake scheme that leaves at least one linebacker unblocked on every play.

10 hours ago, huskerfan333157 said:

Our score would even be worse if we went to 80% running. No wrs nor qbs would ever want to come here.

With our offense as it is now, our 2 best receivers left, and one is setting records in Kentucky. What QBs have we gotten in the last 18 years that set the world on fire? Behind this line, would Joe Burrow have gotten the Heisman?

9 hours ago, HuskersNC949597 said:

Ah yes, of course, all Nebraska has to do is run 70%+ of the time AND wait for multiple teams in the division to be on probation so we can finally win a conference championship. It's so obvious now. Oh wait, we should probably convince the winner of the other division to hire a coach who has married himself to a defensive philosophy that only worked against 2010s Big 12 offenses just to be safe.

1) Who in the Legends division that year was on probation? Didn't we beat all of them with Pelini's 2010s Big 12 defense to earn our way into the title game, including Wisconsin?

2) Goodson had 7 yards a carry. Iowa can line up with a fullback and run the ball. Why can't we? 

3) How is Nebraska going to be successful at all if they keep trying to do the same things, run the same offense, lose out on the same recruits, etc.

10 minutes ago, runningblind said:

That is the perfect way to guarantee recruiting falls off the face of the earth.  We'd be dead last in the division every year. That might be the one thing that could get me to stop watching this team. 

Aren't we dead last in recruiting now?

2 minutes ago, Undone said:

...and to get guys like Zavier Betts and Alante Brown popping into the transfer portal in a flash.

Maybe. Question, though. Did either of these guys even get the ball once today? Did they get it a whole lot during the season? 

2 minutes ago, HuskersNC949597 said:

They would have won the national championship even harder if they had!

 

Or, um, something.

Can we recruit like Clemson and Alabama? 

5 minutes ago, huskerfan333157 said:

You realize none of the national champions in the past 20 years has run the ball more than 70% of the time, right?  If running the ball 70% of the time is the key to success then why aren't more teams doing it? 

In the past 18 years, trying to throw the ball, Nebraska has nothing to show for it. Why keep trying to do what everyone else is doing, and continue to fail? We made it to the B1G Title game once, and what did Wisconsin do to absolutely DESTROY us?

I'll give you a hint. It wasn't by throwing.

4 minutes ago, Undone said:

But you understand that teams like Ohio State and Oregon run power zone rushing schemes, right?

 

I’m just trying to figure out where these ideas are coming from inside our fan base.

 

Is it that our players are just too stupid/poorly coached to run the scheme we have?

 

Because as I alluded to, if we need to sit here and list out teams that have dominated the college football landscape over the last 15 years with zone blocking schemes, we could seriously do that for hours in this thread.

 

Like is this just personal preference stuff, like the kind of football YOU want to watch?

 

Help me understand why severely dumbing down our scheme is our only possible path to success (and I know you didn’t use those words but you know what I mean).

Ohio State and Oregon can do these things because they are Ohio State and Oregon. We are not them, nor will we EVER be. We have tried zone blocking schemes for, what, 18 years now? What do we have to show for it? We don't have guys like Stroud, Olave, Smith-Njigba. Never have, never will. We can't 'dominate the college football landscape' with these types offenses, because we're nowhere CLOSE to getting the best players for it.

Why do we need to be super complex? What's wrong with simple, but effective?

Just now, ZRod said:

We don't play in the mountain west bro! We don't play unranked teams every week. We play in the B1G and have played 6 top 20 teams to the wire. The results this season are awful, but anyone who denies there has been progress on many levels is lying to themselves. The problem is not scheme, it's mental attitude and coaching/discipline.

Agreed, but at the same time, Air Force can't recruit like we do. Nearly every team they play is far more talented than they are. Georgia Tech can't really recruit all that well, either.

I also agree that there has been progress, but I see Frost's offense as one of the main issues holding us back. We try to throw, pass block, straight drop, get sacked, safety, etc. In a run-based offense, you keep the clock running, keep the defense rested and off the field, and wear out the defensive front. Get some of their back-ups in, and push them around. Get them loading the box, and drop one over their head, a football tale as old as Knute Rockne. 

It's who we are as a state. Hard-nosed, hard-working, lunch-pale type people. We are skeptical of flash-in-the-pan, too-good-to-be-true type things. Success and victory is only achieved through pushing through, not the easy way. Nebraska football was built on this. Down after down, play after play, run after run - being TOUGHER than the other guys. It was something we used to cherish and be proud of. I miss it.

Just now, ZRod said:

So you want us to play pee wee football. Got it.

 

 

Thank you!

We're 3-9. No post season for 5 years in a row now. THAT'S pee-wee football.

Air Force just got their 9th win tonight. They destroyed UNLV and their ultra-mega-awesome-spread passing offense 48-14. They're in the hunt for the Mountain West championship, and had a bowl game locked up weeks ago. If that's pee-wee football, I'll take it over 3-9.

28 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

You know what fixes that? An offensive line. Not a new offensive system 

We have an offensive line. Each young man is a rarity in the human population. Tall, huge, heavy, and strong. Collectively, I'd bet they could push a blocking sled that literally weighs a ton. 

They're being coached to do things that don't suit their size and strength. Imagine if a coach could come in and teach Benhart, Corcoran, Bando, and Prochazka how to effectively drive-block a defender, one on one. Get a lead blocker, and it's a 4 yard gain, at least, every play. Do it over and over, until you break the will of the team trying to stop us. Wouldn't that be something? Not many safeties in that scenario.

But I dream.

1 minute ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

I mean, I get what you're trying to say. Really though there is only one team that outright beat us this year- Ohio State. The rest took advantage of our self implosions. They didn't do anything themselves to beat us.

 

Its like winning a game of pool with 4 balls on the table, when the better shot scratched on the 8 ball. Sure you get the W. but you didn't do anything to earn it.

I would take your analogy if your opponent scratched the 8 ball 9 times out of 12, the last 6 times in a row. Frost thinks he can win games with a playbook, but what it really takes is fundamentally executing football plays. The simple things, the little things. We don't do those things. Iowa does.

I hate Iowa, but if their brand of football is 'boring' wins, I would take that all day, every day over our 'exciting' losses. They beat us today by playing fundamentally sound, all three phases of the game, solid football. Goodson averaged something like 7 yards a carry. We went from running the ball very well to fancy-dance passing crap and folded like a lawn chair. 

Congratulations to Iowa and Kirk Ferentz for valuing consistency and fundamentals in the face of flash, smoke, and mirrors. I still hate you.

11 minutes ago, hskrfan4life said:

One where 14 of the last 15 play calls aren't pass plays.

Or an offense where we don't give up 2 sacks in a row inside our own 5, the second being for a safety. An offense where we try to block defenders one on one, instead of zone blocking every play. 80-20 ratio.

5 minutes ago, Slow yer Roll said:

Nut jobs: "we want frost"

 

Cooler Heads:   "he's never coached in the big leagues."

 

 

Nut Jobs:  "JUST HIRE HIM!"

 

 

 

Cooler Heads:  " Are you thinking this through?"

 

 

Nut Jobs: "we don't care , give him 5 to 7 years, just get him."

 

 

 

Reality: "that's not how it works."

 

 

 

Nut jobs: FIRE HIM!

 

 

Cooler Heads:  "but you said....."

 

Nut Jobs: "FIRE HIM!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you Nut Jobs are selling your Fost stock, I'm buying.

 

 

At this point, what gives you any indication that Frost is going to even get us to a bowl game, much less contend for the B1G West?

I want Frost to succeed, but it's pretty obvious by now that he's in over his head.

1 hour ago, ZRod said:

Stats don't matter, but then how do you define us being one of the worst teams in the conference?

 

I know exactly what the scheme you want to use would do in the B1G, because you've told me what games to judge it on. It will lose against B1G teams, maybe in a close game though, but then what change except a more boring offense.

3-9. That's the stat that matters. No one cares about how close we were. At the end of the day, we're 3-9, and tied for last. 

We did pretty well with Chadwell-type stuff, so if Frost would take the offense in that direction, I would have hope. I guess we'll have to see. 

9 minutes ago, ZRod said:

You don't have a clue dude. Just go home. A flexbone offense would get absolutely eaten alive in the B1G and it will never win anything of significance in this league. It's idiotic to think it would. 

 

We are the 5th ranked offense in the B1G for total yards behind Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota, and Ohio State in that order. We're one of the best big play teams in the country, but we're 12th in scoring offense in the B1G. The overall scheme is solid. What we need is a quality Oline coach, a RB coach, and better special teams. That's been the difference in every loss.

Stats are for losers. The only stat that matters is the score, and we've averaged 23 points per game against FBS competition under Frost. That's NOT a solid scheme. In fact, that SUCKS. You don't know what a flexbone offense would do against the B1G. Army has done well against both Michigan and Wisconsin with a FRACTION of our talent, so you literally couldn't be MORE wrong. 

This scheme in Lincoln has never won anything of significance. We're one of the worst teams in the conference. A doormat. It's idiotic to want to continue doing the same crap that has gotten us here.

Sorry, bro. Don't put yourself in a position where you have to count on us and our pansy offense.

Just now, ZRod said:

As am I

 

 

 

Do you even know what you're talking about? We run the ball almost 60% of the time. Get a clue man. Nobody is running flexbone here.

And we're 3-9. Congrats. Thank you for wanting more of the same. We don't get sacked, AND THEN sacked for a safety if we're running flexbone. I'd love to get a clue as to why anyone wants to keep doing this kind of crap. 60% isn't nearly enough.

We don't get sacked on 1st and 10 at our own 6 if we run A-back Counter. We don't get sacked for a safety after that if we run a dive with the B-back. 

If Frost doesn't commit to a running offense next year, he should be gone. This was an absolute coaching disaster.

It wasn't Adrian. It's the offense. Everyone giving me crap for wanting to run Flexbone. We win this game going away today if we ran flexbone. Defense gave up 1 touchdown. 

We've been trying to pass for 7 years, and it DOESN'T WORK.