Jeremy

14 hours ago, Gorillahawk said:

The triple offense wouldn’t work. Especially teams with speed on defense. The BIG is too good of a conference for that to have any sustained success 

How do you know? Why wouldn't it work? We literally ran several triple option plays against Ohio State, and they all worked pretty well.

14 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

I think hiring the Army OC to run a triple-option offense would be a terrible idea. 

Okay. Why?

I've seen some talk about poaching some of LSU's out-going guys, maybe even Willy Korn out of Coastal? If they are indeed getting Korn, I see a lot more triple and lead option in the future. While it isn't the flexbone, it's a start.

...this would be amazing....

1 hour ago, teachercd said:

Frosters really do believe in “more than winning”

if you are a Froster, you better not b!^@h about the outcome of games anymore. 

'Froster'? 

Good gawd. 

That's even worse than 'Boliever'

2 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

Always has been and always will be a total crap shoot 

Oh, I absolutely agree with that, and even though I don't totally agree, I see why you want Frost gone. But, I see a lot of people wanting certain coaches because they are part of the Saban coaching tree, like that guarantees anything.

10 minutes ago, admo said:

Let's say TA terminates HCSF.  Do you wonder if a new HC (selection) could divide the fan base, particularly if the choice for HC isn't who they wanted?  Or that their choice for HC wasn't picked?  I just wonder if many Husker fans will be bent no matter what.  And I just hope we don't come to that. 

It definitely depends on the pick. If it was an Urban Meyer or a Bob Stoops? No problems. But a Bill O'Brien, or even an assistant with no head coaching experience? That would be bad. I think we could all get behind guys like Aranda, Napier, DeBoer, or Chadwell, but none of them bring any assurance they'll get us over the hump. 

Personally, I want Jeff Monken or Troy Calhoun. I believe that style of football would immediately set us apart from the rest of the conference, help the defense, and give us a chance, almost immediately, to win the West. But that's just me.

4 minutes ago, admo said:

Welp, Steve Sarkisian is now 4-5 at Texas this year.  Remember, he's was a Broyles Award winner for OC of the year (at Alabama, under Nick Saban).

 

Texas did win under Herman (Urban Meyer coaching tree).  This season was not a rebuild.  Yet, they are 4-5 with Sark.  Fortunately they have Kansas next week to get them back on track.

 

The point is you just never know I guess.

 

Texas will be better going forward; Lord knows what'll happen in the $EC, but he's definitely underperforming, even in their first season. Pruitt failed pretty badly at Tennessee, too. Just because a guy coached under Saban *cough*O'Brien*cough*, he isn't granted some kind of magical coaching powers that absolutely lead to conference championships and the Playoff.

On 11/5/2021 at 10:49 AM, Dogs In A Pile said:

Interesting in depth read on Trev's upcoming decision from ShortSideOption at Herbie's Hangout.

 

Trev’s Big Decision 2.0

 

 

 

Has it been 72 hours? Since it's still 'radio silent,' I guess things are no bueno?

7 hours ago, BoSolich said:

Martinez is very close to being an elite college qb. with 1 more offseason of work maybe he gets there next year.

 

our running backs are going to get a lot better with another offseason of development.

 

our line can't get any worse.

 

a lot of our key receivers should be back next year.

 

our special teams can't get any worse.

 

most the defense will be back which obviously has been the strongest part of the team.

 

i'd personally would like to see frost get 1 more year to prove he can coach a winner. It makes sense to me.

I'm with ya. We'll get there.

1 hour ago, Frustrated said:

Another year without a bowl. Meanwhile, a sh*t Wisconsin team clinched their 20th bowl game today. Illinois and Purdue kicked a$$...yet, we are here trying not to criticize, while being critical and (at least I am) being miserable. Out team can't win when it counts. Moral victories, close games, well, they might be more fun to watch and keep our interest, but the outcome is the same. It's been the same for two decades.  I am frustrated. we need to win these close games once in a while. I cannot imagine a recruit wanting to come here. I just can't. 

Well, we did flip Stanger not too long ago and just had a 3-star commit. So we have that going for us. Which is nice.

21 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

I really have no opinion anymore. I don’t think Frost sucks. Idk. I’m also not super excited about our future. Purgatory I guess. 

Frost made 2 mistakes today. Calling for a QB sweep when Adrian was hobbling around, and trying for a FG sitting at 4th and 4 down by 6. Other than that? Eh.

Hearing Carter at halftime, it really seems like Frost is staying. 

1 hour ago, Hilltop said:

I am still on the IF we let Frost go boat.  I think the next 3 games matter.  But if we do move on...  

 

What is a "big get"?  One the fans are excited about like Frost?  Predicting how a coach will perform is challenging as hell.  Looking around the country - I don't know many people that though Mel would have MSU in the top 5 or that chip Kelly would have a losing record in years 1, 2, 3, and maybe 4.  How do you predict how a coach will do?  Obviously some very high paid people across the country have no idea.  That's why we see coaches get fired every year.  I guess my point is, I would rather see us take less of a gamble going after a big name, splash hire, than I would see us go after someone who has proven time and again they can rebuild a program.

 

One that I think we should consider who wouldn't likely fit the "big get" title would be Dave Clawson.  He has proven he can take a down team and get them winning at each of his 4 stops.  I also think he is a guy that would view the Nebraska job as very desirable.   

 

Job #1

1999 - 0-11 record

2002 - 10-3 record

2003 - 9-3 record

 

Job #2

2004 - 3-8 record

2007 - 11-3 record

 

Job #3

2009 - 7-6 record

2010 - 2-10 record

2013 - 10-3 record

 

Job #4

2014 - 3-9 record

2015 - 3-9 record

2021 - 8-0 record so far     

*Maybe* Clawson could get something rolling here. Would people be willing to wait? Hard to say. 

To me, a 'big get' is Urban Meyer or Bob Stoops. Outside of those guys, I don't know who is going to out-recruit the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, or even Minnesota for a lot of blue-chips. 

1 hour ago, Toe said:

 

Let's not forget that in 2003, Trev was in full agreement with Pederson on firing a 9-3 coach...

Yeah, I remember that. Even Mark May disagreed with Pederson's decision. Maybe the only time Mark May was ever right about something.

But Trev did give some context. He had mistakenly assumed that Osborne and others were on-board with the decision; maybe some of the off-the-field rumors were true and warranted such a shocking move. After he heard that this was pretty much just Pederson's decision (maybe along with Perlman?), he changed his mind and came out pretty strongly against Pederson. Of course, I think this was after Callahan was tanking in his first season in Lincoln. 

I hope they're right about the 'Lincoln still being an attractive place for coaches' part. Because I remember in 2003/04, it wasn't. If Trev gets rid of Frost, it BETTER be a big get. 

I hope Frost stays and rights the ship, honestly. Does he really deserve another year? No. 

But, aside from '22, he's putting together what looks to be pretty good recruiting classes after. Dylan Raiola is a possible commit. We were a few bonehead plays away from beating 3 ranked teams. I'd like to think the bounces finally start to go our way before too long.

But if he's given the axe, it's another few years of crap until *hopefully* the next staff puts it together. We can't continue being a revolving door of coaching staffs and hope to get back. 

If Frost is let go, Trev has A LOT of pressure in choosing the next coach and staff. Outside of Urban Meyer or Bob Stoops, most of the candidates seem pretty underwhelming. We all knew Riley was a terrible choice after Eichorst canned Pelini. If Trev picks another Riley-type guy,  I don't see Nebraska football ever being relevant again. 

....until maybe, FINALLY, we get an option guy back in Lincoln. Now THAT would be interesting.

48 minutes ago, Aliens05 said:

I sometimes wonder if maybe part of that is that the staff is conflicted on how to handle player confidence/morale. They don't know weather to try to do something to give em some confidence or rip em a new one and risk taking a hit to their confidence..idk just a thought.

The portal has really made things tough for coaches. Rip into a kid, or bench him, and he ends up in the portal. Once could argue that if a kid is going to be like that, we don't want him anyway, but we've lost a bunch of good players the last few years because of the portal. 

59 minutes ago, Xmas32 said:

I thought Riley and Frost were good hires and I hate the thought of BoB getting hired which means BoB would probably be a slam dunk.

 

BoB did a really nice job at PSU and was a good coach at Houston until he decided to take over GM duties which was a terrible idea.  The Saban car wash effect just can't be ignored.

Wasn't Pruitt a Saban guy before he went to Tennessee and failed spectacularly? Working under Saban doesn't always equal success. 

O'Brien wouldn't do much better than Frost.

Hiring O'Brien would give the same excitement, or less, as Mike Riley. No way he out-recruits most of the B1G for the athletes we would need to compete for the West. Losing record for at least 2 more years, over under for wins after that is a solid 6. 

We've literally seen THAT movie already. 

No thanks.

9 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

On yeah, a new coach would magically make Benhart a better run blocker... he's a huge reason our run game sucks now.

 

The offense itself would be fine, just had a laugh at the Benhart comment.

Watch some old Georgia Tech or service academy games, how their offensive lines block. It's an ENTIRELY different scheme and philosophy. So yes, I absolutely believe Benhart would be a  monster firing off the line for Monken or Calhoun. There is no outside zone patty-cake. It's in your face, helmets trading paint, pads cracking awesomeness. 

2 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Ya'll are so worried about fan apathy, honestly, moving on from Frost this year is what will bring that about for me. 

 

I can support a Husker trying to right the ship and the struggles to do so.

BUT, We have gotten worse every time we switch coaches since Osborne. Honestly, if we bring in a new guy, I probably won't even bother learning his, but definitely not his assistant's names. Won't matter when they are shown the door in 3 years anyway.

 

Just not worth investing the time or energy in a doomed regime.

 

I'm pretty close to that state, too. Would you agree, though, that an Urban Meyer (maybe Chris Peterson) hire would kick the hype levels up several notches? I'm not saying Urban would ever come here, but, man, it would be something.

2 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

This seems a bit silly. You're gonna quit cheering for the Huskers if we hire a decent coach because he wore out his welcome in the NFL? Honestly if we fire Frost I will give the new guy a chance no matter what. There are no sure things in CFB. I'm sure a new hire would have some flaws. 

I guess I should have been more clear. I would done going to games, and things Husker football-related. I spend a good chunk of money every fall going to a few games and buying Husker gear. A guy like O'Brien just brings no excitement. I don't see how he would beat out Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, etc for recruits. 

I love Nebraska no matter what, but I'm even now getting to the point where I get MUCH more enjoyment watching the service academies do their thing, than whatever the heck we're trying to do now. Who knows that O'Brien would be any better? Why would recruits choose him over a Mel Tucker? What would O'Brien bring to the table that gives us any kind of edge. If the past is any indication, probably not a lot.

Just now, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

I think Calhoun is a damn good coach, and I love the offense he runs. Again, Nebraska is the one school who would embrace that offense whole-heartedly.

Embrace it we would, 100%. We'd be going nuts for a B-Back smashing up the gut for 5 yards. Benhart would be driving guys back instead of being put on his back. Wouldn't that be something?

8 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

Oh I dunno. You can be talented but undisciplined and lose. You can be disciplined but untalented and lose. 

 

I'd say we got talent, in all but 4 spots. We probably lack some discipline. I'd think an academy coach would be better than most at instilling that trait.

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