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29 minutes ago, hunnit said:
How is hoping 19-20 Rhule does good supporting the program?
Who made that argument? I certainly didn't.
I can want Rhule to fail harder than Frost and still watch every game which supports the program.
You couldn't have proved my point any better. This is perhaps the most cognitively dissonant thing I've read in awhile, and that's saying something.
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Look, until Deion does something on the field, he's as much as hype as any other newly hired coach. There's a lot to like about him and some things to be concerned about.
But I don't think next year's game is going to tell us much of anything about either Sanders or Rhule.
I'll tell you one thing though, I can't WAIT for all faux Husker fans who will come out of the woodwork if Colorado wins. There will be a lot of s#!tposting here. They'd rather be right about Rhule and/or the program than actually support the program.
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If you don't like and/or are uninterested in the content of a thread...
No one is forcing you to be here.
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Frankly there was never much comparison between Mickey and a significant portion of the head coaching options discussed on this board. He had zero FBS head coaching experience. His one realistic opportunity to try and earn the job would've come in the form of wins.
I think a lot of beleaguered fans convinced themselves Mickey was a good option primarily because he was Trev's antithesis to Frost. Him being a former player also didn't hurt. Realistically, he was always underqualified fighting an uphill battle.
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4 hours ago, Lorewarn said:
huge numbers of us said the same thing about frost. it wasn't true then and it's not true now
Exactly. It's the same business with all the people who think Nebraska is 'cursed.'
No, they're not. Just like the Cubs weren't cursed for 100 years. Get the right people in place and a lot of good things can happen fast.
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This thread is going way too far for some of you.
A moderator already dropped a verbal warning in this thread to stop with the personal attacks. I just handed out two separate warnings due to failures to heed that guidance (alongside existing board rules).
Let's drop the personal attacks and keep things civil, please.
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1 minute ago, gobiggergoredder said:
Because Lukewarm is defending you? Congratulations on your Huskerboard Hereos trophy. Please carry it on the plane.
Why does this bother you so much? A couple people shared your view, quite a few people understood exactly the point I was getting across.
How about we just move on, better and more well-rounded people for it?
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1 minute ago, Guy Chamberlin said:
My hot take?
We won't be talking about this in a couple months (possibly weeks) and it means very little to the Nebraska Cornhuskers moving forward.
Just a gut punch that will fade quickly, as the question of whether Mickey Joseph will be retained has a clear resolution.
Hey, remember when some folks were insisting that character doesn't matter if a coach knows how to win?
Character matters.
Agreed. I think it's more impactful for the players than anything. It's never easy when a coach/mentor figure in your law has a run-in with the law
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1 minute ago, gobiggergoredder said:
Good because if it was you failed miserably.
Seems like the majority of people reading and responding to it understood what I was saying just fine.
But yeah obviously an everybody else problem.
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2 hours ago, gobiggergoredder said:
The closest to the current situation is The Arizona Cardinals situation. I'm sure there was at least someone confirming the behavior. The rest of the examples have something we have not be given yet.....Evidence which gives you charges. It'll come. But any conclusion drawn upon absolutely zero evidence is lazy and ignorant.
It was never my intent to suggest that the singular act of being arrested was going to result in him being fired. That's a ridiculous notion to be caught up on. It has been clearly implied (and directly stated) multiple times that he could be fired because of the situation. And the police obviously have evidence/probable cause or else there likely wouldn't have been an arrest. The university doesn't need to wait for full due process (i.e. a trial, verdicts) to make an employment determination.
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For those of you who have been outspoken regarding due process and wrongful terminations...
as I posited, coaches frequently get fired following arrests, long before due process and the legal system plays itself out. We'll see what happens with Mickey, but the notion that firing him for his arrest (and the charges) is a 'wrongful termination lawsuit waiting to happen' is pure imagination. If this was such a concern, you'd think termination would be an unlikely result.
https://www.kron4.com/news/california/uc-davis-water-polo-coach-arrested-on-child-porn-charges/
https://www.kvue.com/article/news/longhorns-tennis-coach-fired/269-38210be5-171a-4229-b3fd-7677f9d00929-
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1 hour ago, gobiggergoredder said:
An arrest based upon an accusation is not cause. An arrest that has info like a blood alcohol level or something like leaked audio or video may be cause.
Comparing your ‘contractural employee’ experience to a six figure public university employee isn’t even apples to oranges. It’s like apples to potatoes. I’ve done plenty of work with employees under contract. They are all different. In nearly all my experiences with “contract employees” I can walk them at any point. It’s doesn’t matter because it’s irrelevant to this discussion.
Nebraska is a right to work state. In general, the employer (non contract) can do whatever they want. The problem in non contract lawsuits in inconsistencies in how firings/discipline are handled. I have been in those discussions as the result of a lawsuit multiple times.
Mickey may very well be guilty. But no one is firing him as a result of the information that we currently have. Lawyers would beat his door down.
Did you see the victim? Did you talk to the victim? Did you document any potential injuries? Did you see the accused attacker? Did he sustain injuries from the alleged assault? How do you know this is just an 'accusation?' Do you know there's ow evidence?
For someone who likely has no idea what happened outside of what's being reported, or who I've worked for based off my intentionally generic post, you sure like to state a lot of absolutes and make quite a few assumptions. I've at no point made any guarantees. Just stating (likely) possibilities.
If whatever bizarro world you work in operates like you described in this post, it is fundamentally at odds with everything I've ever experienced in my professional career. Probably best we both drop it at this point.
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6 minutes ago, Moiraine said:
I wonder if some posts have been deleted. I don’t get the posts about the thread being “wild” or belonging in the woodshed. Seems pretty mild to me.
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6 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:
I think some people need to back the truck up on a couple issue.
1- Depending on the language in his contract, he absolutely could be terminated for cause without guilt being determined. There are clauses for public perception, bad PR etc. that could be triggered simply by an arrest. To say that absolutely isn’t possible is wrong….unless you know exactly what is in his contract.
Exactly. Not to mention the fact that Nebraska is an employment at will state. I don't know the intricacies of Nebraska state employment law, but generally speaking, "at will" means you can be fired really at any time for any reason so long as no other law is being violated (i.e. retaliation, discrimination). I don't know if that gets complicated by contractual employment, though. It very well might.
But, if I had to bet, I have very little doubt that the university would be worried about firing someone for being arrested for domestic assault. Call it a hunch. Maybe I'm wrong. I recently misplaced my copy of MJ's contract.
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6 minutes ago, gobiggergoredder said:
You need cause or you’re 100% setting yourself up for a lawsuit.
That's what I'm saying - this could very well be cause.
Not sure why that possibility rankles you so deeply.
At one of my previous places of work, we fired two contractual employees for arrests we deemed violated their contract language, and it was something that had been done before and has probably happened since. There was never any fear from our legal team of losing some kind of wrongful termination suit.
But, you're good. Obviously you know better.
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9 minutes ago, LennynSquiggy said:
Simply getting arrested doesn't equate to guilt. If you fired somone that got arrested and then later proven innocent you'd likely get sued for wrongful termination. Which is why I think Mickey is suspended right now and not fired.
Depends on the language in Mickey's contract, which is likely the primary reason he is on leave. Lawyers are probably skimming the details to ensure they feel safe to release him. Just my hunch.
A lot of coaching contracts have language in them that allow the universities to fire with cause in these kinds of situations. Doesn't matter if the person is found guilty or not. It sullies the university's reputation.
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Just now, gobiggergoredder said:
Scary statement in my opinion.
I mean, yes and no. The court of public opinion and due process are two very different things, and the university will probably not want to associate themselves with someone accused of and arrested for domestic assault. That's generally how these things go.
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Let's not get into a red flag law conversation, please. Take that somewhere else.
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10 minutes ago, Hagg said:
One thing these days about startling allegations is that they seem to spell guilt with the public long before a trial of innocence before proven guilty.
Yes, he was arrested. We know very little else at this point.
While true, the court of public opinion has always been this way. I think it's just more pervasive thanks to social media.
But this is also one of those situations where there won't need to be a trial. The university has already placed him on administrative leave and will probably look to formally sever ties ASAP pursuant to conversations with their lawyers. I imagine the mere fact he was arrested on a violent offense is probable cause to be fired.
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Just so everything is clear in my head.
First, you said you wouldn't post here ever again if Nebraska didn't hire one of the 10 candidates you expected (of which Rhule wasn't a part of).
Then you said you wouldn't post here again until Rhule got fired.
And now you're starting your own thread for a thought that could've easily gone in the existing Matt Rhule thread.
I mean, I appreciate people admitting they're wrong, but that's a whole lot of manure to wade through.
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I appreciate everyone's commentary and feedback about Fickell and Rhule, however I think there are some better threads to have that conversation instead of this one.
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The Suh narrative seems a tad revisionist. As a redshirt sophomore ('07), he had 34 tackles, 6 TFL's and a sack. It's not spectacular but I think he'd shown something more than 'nothing.'
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On 10/23/2022 at 10:21 PM, chamrocck said:
Here is what is going to happen. A new HC will be announced and during his press conference will say something to the effect of “MJ has done a great job to keep the kids together in a trying time. I am ecstatic to have him on my staff as he is critical to the success of the program going forward”. Bank it.
I didn't end up hearing this particular quote at the presser today.
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9 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:
What I'm going to find interesting is that for a very very long time, Wisconsin has had continuity in their coaching hires. Alvarez built the program, and coaches ever since have had some tie back to the program and the culture. Now, Alvarez is gone and this seems to the first hire that has stepped away from that....and people aren't happy.
When that happened at Nebraska, the program fell farther from where the fans expected it to be. So, it will be interesting to see if this helps or hurts Wisconsin program.
This is undoubtedly my biggest question mark about Wisconsin moving forward, too. How does Fickell maintain the tradition and culture of 'Wisconsin football' while also staying true to the principles and philosophies that have made him successful? Where's the breaking point that will mean success or failure? I think that's the risk you take when you hire 'outside the family,' so to speak.
It also doesn't help that Wisconsin has a bit of a simmering situation on their hands. I don't necessarily think it will boil over. Most of the fan base appears to be pleased with the Fickell hire. But, there are a lot of players, recruits, and fans who have expressed frustration at the process and Jim Leonhard not being hired.
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Prime Time!!! - Deion Sanders Hired as Colorado Head Coach
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If you can't see the cognitive dissonance in wanting a coach to fail while still 'supporting the team by watching them,' then I can't help you. You're effectively claiming to be their friend while stabbing them in the back.
Regardless, you're done with this conversation in this thread. So is everyone else. We're not going to debate Rhule's chances of success or swoon over Deion Sanders in this thread. This thread is about coaching news/changes, and the direction you've taken it goes beyond the intended scope, so we're going to break it out separately. You're welcome to contribute in there.