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Why the hell wasnt Cotton asked to greyshirt instead? From what I've heard, Cotton wont have 2 pay anything to go to NU anyway (cuz his dad coaches & apparantly will be retained) so wtf difference does it make whether or not we give him a scholarship?

God you are angry, why are you so angry and bitter about an 18 year old kid. weird.

I have said this before, but I really think Neveda is the next big recruiting state. Crazy expansion the last 10 years there have built up some very nice and very big high schools, the population grew and grew and soon enough the recruiting will grow and grow too.

So I was actually kinda meh on the '05 class until an article was posted here not too long ago analyzing it. At the time Crabtree who called it the #1 class noted if we got 10 starters out of it it'd be a resounding success. We got more.

 

I mean with 31 guys, how many of them can actually be expected to contribute? Sure we had high profile busts but we also had unreal success out of a guy like Zac Taylor (so we did get a QB out of that class and a darn good one), a #1 back for most of 3 years in Lucky, Ndamukong Suh, etc. If that class was a bust, no class isn't. With huge classes you get guys that are just bodies. Unavoidable unless we make the game 15 v 15. But the foundation it laid, everything it gave us - I am darn glad we got that class. Maybe it didn't give us a MNC like we hoped. But without it, I shudder to think where we'd be.

 

We had nothing at OL when BC came in. When he left we had plenty and so much more on the way. The drawers were stocked. Don't forget this is year 2 of Bo, and the cream of what BC left us are playing in the NFL or out for medical/other reasons. Freshmen OL from Bo's first class, completely invisible. I think that's why we were counting on freshman depth for this year. I saw your post you are talking about and we did have this disc. before. I feel though that all told, 2 years later and new OL are only beginning to be counted for on depth, that is hardly too surprising.

 

that is one of many dumb statements crabtree has made. someone has to start games. as to that standard, i see 11 starters: turner, suh, octavien (two seasons), taylor (two seasons), glenn (starter for one season), lucky, potter, congdon (two seasons), bowman (basically one season), hickman and dillard (basically one and a half seasons).

 

so, of the 11 starters we got out of 31 players, six gave us two years or less of significant contributions. i love what the guys that stuck around from that class gave to our program, but to consider that a "great" class just isn't accurate. it is an acceptable class (and a far cry from the parade of stars it was billed to be).

 

also, cally did not leave "plenty" up front. he continually failed to recruit enough quality high school OL and left us SIX quality linemen (an amazingly low number out of four classes that made up the roster), and two of them were seniors!

 

i'll agree that he had a great group of OL verbals, but that seemed to be falling apart on its own accord. the meltdown that was the 2007 season had kids looking elsewhere long before we pulled the plug on cally.

 

i will also agree though that one of major failures of the solich years was letting the pipeline slip up front.

Excellent way to break this down and it shows again that BC was not only a poor head coach but an average recruiter at best. Like you said, someone has to start, so Crabtrees statement is kind of lame.

A Rod told him flat out, you would be stupid not to go to Nebraska.

Thoughts?

 

 

You cant blow a team out 33-0 and not turn some heads. They were actually picked to beat us. It felt like we were playing xbox our defense was so unstoppable.

 

Bottom line if Owamagbe Odighizuwa (spelled it from memory ) wants to be in the best position to go the NFL as a top pick then NU is the place.

 

Like another poster said I think that if we can sell his mom on our program and make sure she knows that he will be in good hands I think we stand a very good chance. It is moreso him not feeling guilty about leaving them IMO.

That was me that said that about his mom! Thanks for the props! By the way, i really like your posts, you give great info!

I am still thinking that Owa just needs to hear from his mom, something like "go ahead son, this is your time now, you have helped so much with your family but this is your time and you worked so hard. If you feel that Nebraska is the place for you, then that is where you need to go"

I know that it sounds really lifetime network and everything but I think it is true. From what I have read Owa is a very good kid and wants to be there for his family, he needs to know it is okay to leave. Maybe it isnt, maybe his mom does need him to help out, and that is great too. This kid seems like a remarkable young man.

well to me it doesn't sound like were allowing his commitment.. especially with the commitment of kenny bell coming up. its too bad we have to offer guys like jake cotton...

Really? You think Jake Cotton is the reason the staff MAY not take his commitment? It is about numbers by position. If the staff sees Harold as a TE or DE prospect like everyone thinks, then NU is full. Chase Harper at TE and a multitude of DE prospects have already given verbals. This has nothing to do with Jake.

maybe im not understanding your point. but to me, your helping my point. if we don't offer a scholarship to Jake Cotton, who is a DE prospect, we have a scholarship open for Harold Mobley, a TE/DE prospect. how does my comment not make sense? i'm saying if we left a spot open at DE rather than give it away to a kid that probably walks on anyways, Mobley is ours. he's a good prospect and a team outside the top 25 in recruiting should not be passing up on him.

Outside the top 25 in star ranking? Really? You need to be looking at the team average of stars, not the total number. NU has a small class, 3-8 players smaller then most teams this year. NU is currently 16th I think in average star ranking at 3.22 per player.

It is quality that this staff wants, not quantity, like the last staff tried to do, when they signed the "number 1" class in 2005, they had 31 kids or something like that.

I don't think you need to sell him anymore, I think that you need to sell his mom. I think he is the type of kid that is looking out for the best interest of his mom and family, he seems so mature and kind hearted. I think he needs to hear from his mom that it is okay to leave home and that she will be fine.

I have been way out of the loop with Owa since he eliminated us.

 

One would think that he wouldnt have added us back to his top 5 if he wasnt REALLY considering us and we werent moving up on his list.

I agree with this, why add NU back if you are not actually thinking about them still?

By the way. We have another QB that will probably visit before it is all said and done.

 

The QB I am refering to has a cousin by the name of Tommie Frazier.

 

So Colter and Carnes are the last hope of us getting a QB in this class.

I have to think that if Carnes comes for a visit and sees all the T-Fraiz stuff around the stadium that he would be excited to come to NU.

Some people dont get it. I am not going to point out who but you cant just up and contact a kid that you havnt talked to in months and expect him to commit to NU.

 

I think that we will get Cooper, Bell, Simek/Colter to end the class

That made me laugh EZ-E

Its not like this Loften kid is some hayseed from western NE who has always dreamed of playing for NU and is just waiting by his phone for Bo to call.

Some people seem to think that all NU has to do is pick up the phone!

I have heard that he has grade issues as well but depending on what high school he goes to (public vs private) there are many things that can be done to help him out, especially with a semester of school left.

That being said, I have no idea if they are interested in each other.

You want to know what is embarrassing? It is Husker fans that think that ALL OTHER FANS should make posts like this

"Well guys let's face it, The University of Nebraska at Lincoln has a better tradtition, better fan base and the smartest fans in the nation, I know they don't get a lot of pub on ESPN but that is just because ESPN is out to get them and only wants to show Tim Tebow and not Suh. I have a feeling that if our team plays its hardest and is totally respoectful on each play and if our fans constantly pat the NU fans on the back and tell them how great NU is and how great the NU staff is, well I think that we might be able to keep in close but in the end we will still lose by four TD's. "

Come on guys, get over yourselves. The worst part is when people say they were at the game and use these terrible examples to show why the other teams fans were classess or stupid.

"They told us they were the read big red"

Oh no, gosh, What a bunch of jerks!

Or my favorite

"Yeah, I was sitting next to one of their fans and told them that Suh was great but Crick was great too and their fan said they were not sure they knew who Crick was , WOW, some really smart fans you got there Zona"

What? Remember when it was announced that NU was play Zona and all the posts were about how we didnt know anyone on the Zona team.

I will go read other boards at times and its so lame when Husker fans go there and get all mad because their fans are supporting their team.

Hey post some of the quotes from tigerboard if you see any funny/crazy ones, i love reading them but I hate trying to navigate that site!

Okay if you are watching the game right now, Gabbert just took a dumb sack and then his next pass went of his WR's foot, bounced up and was picked off. Things like that just happen to kids that dont have "it".

I have said this before, first let me say that I have coached football for 10 years now so I have been around a lot of football players and sent a handful to D1 schools, two that play for the Skers right now.

 

Gabbert has all the tools but the kid just doesnt have "it" he is just not a winner, I would venture to guess that he did not win to much in high school either and I would guess people made excuses for him like "he played on a crappy team" and stuff like that. Some kids have all the tools and look the part and get great stats but they just dont get the wins. I can't explain it any better then that.

 

Please dont think I am trying to come off as some know-it-all a-hole, its just what I have seen from my coaching experience.

 

 

I remember hearing the story from Ron Brown about how Brook Berringer came from a crappy HS football team, but he had that untapped talent about him. It was like if you gave him the tools, you knew he'd reach his potential. Sure enough, the handful of games that we were fortunate enough to see him play in at NU, he came through like a champ.

 

RIP Brook

I had never heard that story but like I said, some kids just want to win more then others or have some kind of vibe about them.

Another thing I have noticed is that Bo and his staff seem to go after high school players that play at very established programs that are known for their tradition of winning and hard work. Now, the kids from those places might not have crazy stats and might only be a 3 star kid but you better beleive that they understand what it takes to be a winner.

I have said this before, first let me say that I have coached football for 10 years now so I have been around a lot of football players and sent a handful to D1 schools, two that play for the Skers right now.

Gabbert has all the tools but the kid just doesnt have "it" he is just not a winner, I would venture to guess that he did not win to much in high school either and I would guess people made excuses for him like "he played on a crappy team" and stuff like that. Some kids have all the tools and look the part and get great stats but they just dont get the wins. I can't explain it any better then that.

Please dont think I am trying to come off as some know-it-all a-hole, its just what I have seen from my coaching experience.

Is it just me or do Rockhurst kids not really have an allegience to any single college? They seem to be very open to Illinois, Mizzo, KU, NU, OU.

So, do you see what I mean now?

 

I see what you are saying but I don’t buy it that a coach can’t reach a certain level and not get any better. Just like guys can get better or worse they can also stay right where they are. It happens in every single aspect of life so why should coaching be immune to that? Barney’s Big 12 history showed us that you could expect 17-24 PPG and 300-350 YPG. If those types of offensive numbers are acceptable then nobody should be calling for Watson’s head because the stats from this year fall right in those categories (24 PPG 315 YPG).

Yep, of course they can stay the same. They might have one good year (Watson last season) and one bad year (Like watson this year) but there is a very good chance they will stay the same, like Watson I think has mostly been in the 50-60 rank, I think, not sure about that.

So, if Cottons numbers are super close to Watsons numbers, why do some people think Watson is a coaching super mind and Cotton in a dork?

See, I know why, its the Cant-coach-a-han lovers that build up Watson and tear down Cotton but really, it seems like they are just about the same.

I am not saying you are a Cant-coach-a-han lover, I am just saying those are the people that tear down Cotton and build up Watson. I happen to think they are both about average.

I mean, basically what you are saying then is that you are born a good OC and you can never get better, you are stuck at one level of coaching forever. That doesnt make sense.

 

So if you really believe this then shouldn’t you call Billy C by his real name instead of “Can’t-Coach-A-Han”? Since he probably wasn’t born a good Head Coach but he can get better over time. You know since he probably isn’t stuck in his one level of coaching forever and he has also proven through his years in the NFL that he can coach the OL and he is a pretty good OC.

 

 

I know there is a lot of Cotton haters, espeically from the old Cant-coach-a-han supporters, but to think that Cotton could not have gotten better and better as an OC is crazy.

 

FWIW: I was a Cotton basher in 2003 when he was hired because Solich could have hired someone a lot better but by hiring Cotton he could still have his hand all over the offensive play calling even though he supposedly stepped down from that role. So technically that was before Billy C was ever hired so that doesn’t stick.

No, it shouldnt mean that. Cant-coach-a-han started off good, went to a super bowl, then kept getting worse and worse. See, he started at one level, good, and changed and got sh**ty. Just like all coaches can change, he just went from good to sh**ty.

So, do you see what I mean now?

I know there is a lot of Cotton haters, espeically from the old Cant-coach-a-han supporters, but to think that Cotton could not have gotten better and better as an OC is crazy. That being said, he could have gotten worse too, maybe as bad as Watson was this year.

I mean, basically what you are saying then is that you are born a good OC and you can never get better, you are stuck at one level of coaching forever. That doesnt make sense.

Now, I am not a Cotton fan or Cotton hater but some of those "oh my gosh we would have Cotton as the OC'' posts make no sense to me.

Back on topic, having Cant-coach-a-han here as HC has really made me appreciate Husker football again. He brought the team to such a low that the losses stopped hurting and started to make me laugh. Now, they hurt again because Pelini knows what he is doing and has put the team back on track.

Some of you guys are more up to date on Husker history, have they ever had a recruit or even a player from Delaware?

Thanks for the info. Did I read that right, he is from Delaware?

It's easy to check the facts.

 

Enunwa committed to us on Oct 26. 2009 He had a visit with Wash State on 10/9 and a visit with us on 10/16. No other offers. OCT. 26 is NOT EARLY. The kid was not highly recruited for whatever reason and not a single offer from a California school.

 

As a comparison, Keeston Terry, I think we had committed in June, maybe before and we were all thrilled regardless what EZ-E might be saying now. He COMMITTED early but had a nice offer list.

 

Carter committed to us about the same time or earlier than Enunwa.

 

for someone so good at research, i'm shocked that you still haven't found a single example to support your claim that the "bo doctrine" is either new or temporary.

 

It is so temporary I would say it is likely no longer in effect. We'll see as time goes by. This isn't the last time a kid is going to decide to check out another school after an oral committment.

After blowing steam in the tirade the "Bo Doctrine" likely changed to a "flexible" policy quicker than Napalitano went from saying "Everything worked just like it should" to "That ain't the way it's sposed to work, somebody screwed up".

The love for BC is still strong in you, it runs hot in your veins. You have not let it pass out of your body yet, when it does your posts will be read with more love. You were burnt by your support for BC and now how to take it out on Bo because he is not doing things the BC way. Once you can admit that, you will feel better.

Telling kids that you are either all in or dont committ yet is exactly HOW you get the kids you want. Do you really not see how that makes sense? Do you think other schools say "please, give us your verbal but go check out all the other schools you can still"

Nooooooooo, they all say "when you are ready, give us your word but dont do it until you are ready and when you do, we expect you to stick with us"

I am personally good with Enunwa, and he has a 5.7 by Rivals, same as Sasser and,looks good. On the other hand I'm a little concerned that he had only one other offer, from Wash. State so it wasn't like teams were running all over themselves to get his services as EZE makes it sound. We got in on him early, he committed to us early, other teams stopped calling.

 

Well there again that is just the homerism I mentioned talkiing. It's easy to check the facts.

 

Enunwa committed to us on Oct 26. 2009 He had a visit with Wash State on 10/9 and a visit with us on 10/16. No other offers. OCT. 26 is NOT EARLY. The kid was not highly recruited for whatever reason and not a single offer from a California school.

 

As a comparison, Keeston Terry, I think we had committed in June, maybe before and we were all thrilled regardless what EZ-E might be saying now. He COMMITTED early but had a nice offer list.

 

Carter committed to us about the same time or earlier than Enunwa. Had many offers including Alabama. So your claim just falls flat about Enunwa's offer list not happening because he committed early. Don't get me wrong, I think he might be a good find, a hidden jewel--but keep in mind that there are few of those out there and it is just as likely that other teams saw something they didn't like. It's just the BS that some of our fans put out that gives us a bad name that I object to.

 

Also to claim that we would rather have a two star kid than either of these four Stars, Carter and Terry or Sasser for that matter is just silly.

 

I will be as happy as anyone looking at this board if our WRs in this class are All Big 12. But from a pure recruiting standpoint on WRs and Qbs, we suck this year.

Another BRB classic!

Well Recruiter, not all Husker fans agree with EZE. Some of us though hopeful, don't claim that every player we get is underrated and every player that goes somewhere else is overrated or we "cooled" on them. We've had a problem attracting top offensive players this year except for Heard.

 

We obviously could have used some WRs in this class. You guys it looks like got some good ones and could have had two that we wanted badly. It was apparent that we wanted CC bad and just as apparent that we got tough with him about taking visits and he wasn't having any of it. Too bad, but that stuff happens. I am confident contrary to EZE's claims that we would love to have Sasser and CC over our two star WR.

 

I am personally good with Enunwa, and he has a 5.7 by Rivals, same as Sasser and,looks good. On the other hand I'm a little concerned that he had only one other offer, from Wash. State so it wasn't like teams were running all over themselves to get his services as EZE makes it sound. Sasser had more offers but Texas did not offer him, though TTech and of course we did as well. The only WR that either one of us got that attracted attention from top programs was Lucas and I sure wish he would have taken a visit to Lincoln. He had offers from Tenn and OU along with many others. Congratulations on keeping him in state. You did really well on the offensive side of the ball this year and any claims that we did better there are just silly. On the other hand you had a lot of work to do on defense. Time will tell if we get the players to improve our offense or if you get those to improve your defense.

 

As to EZ-E's claims for our 2011 class, we certainly hope to get some of those athletes in Lincoln. But this far out everybody is hopeful of the next class. Let's get this class in the books, hope we fill some needs. There's a whole lot of water to go under the bridge before Feb 2011 class goes in the book. We've bragged about several this year that were already committed that didn't work out. We would probably be better off bragging on the 2011 class being much better than Misery's --after signing date in 2011. But some fans of all teams just can't stand not having the better player every time so we make the recruits either great or over-rated depending on where they go. I think those fans come from Lake Wobegone, where all the children are above average.

 

Good luck in your bowl Recruter.

Everytime I read one of your posts it reminds me of the good old days on the bigredboard.

This may have been previously posted, and, if so, I apologize. How is Mr. Heard's academic standing? Is he in good shape to qualify?

Most kids, not all, but most kids that attend private/catholic schools are going to be eligble to play. Most of those schools have rigid rules about who can play in high school and really push them to make sure that they get the grades they need for college.