Zammers

I don't always believe that the number one talent on a coaching staff is the head coach. Franchione, was a fraud. He is a great recruiter and CEO-type, but when it comes to x's and o's he ran a gimmick offense (his daughter would kill me right now if she knew I posted this). Why do you think he's had such a difficult time getting back into coaching? Patterson was the wizard behind the curtain. I believe Petersen was also Hawkins wizard. Patterson was an unpolished, get in your face, x's and o's type of coach that didn't really appeal to the big time BCS programs. However, he's grown in the position and has become more polished. I don't think Patterson is necessarily the best recruiter, but he's surrounded himself with some young assistants could can recruit the pants off the state of Texas. Patterson, for what its worth, has made it a point to go out and beat BCS teams every year. We've got quite a few "notches" too......OU, Clemson, etc. All on the road. (Oregon State in 2010 will be the next victim). So, the argument that we are playing against weak competition doesn't hold water since we've proven to beat the big boys out of conference. (This is in reference to the above posting about the NE high school team playing a KS team) Colleges will make mistakes from time to time in their coaching choices. Obviously Charlie Weis is a good coach, but not at the college level. So sometimes it takes a little trial and error to get the right fit. Those that cultivate coaches from within the program tend to have the least amount of drop off.

Famous last words of numerous BCS conference schools. Good god guys give the team some respect. Trust me they did not lose to Iowa State, does that still fit into your memory. Bo was here when we lost that game if I am not mistaking. TCU and Boise State are very good teams. Lack of respect is exactly what got us into the situation we had before. Thinking we were entitled, better than everyone else because we were Nebraska. Not true anymore. We will have to actually win the games for people to believe in us. Yea lots of pub coming into this season. We are not back, we lost to Iowa State at home. We beat no one in the top 15 this year, or actually the top 20. Prove it, then talk. thats all fine and dandy but i do not fear them. they are undersized and speedy. proper scheme will take care of any speed that they have and we have superior athletes (fact) so as long as our coaches are better (they are) then we would beat them by 2+ TDs imo. saying that we didnt beat anyone in the top 20 (final top 20, we did beat a team or 2 in the top 20 before we played them) means very very very little. Thats not how you base success. and you are correct, we did lose to ISU by 2 after giving up 8 turnovers and completely demolishing them for 4 full quarters in every other aspect of the game. TCU or Boise or Freaking Texas would have lost that game too had they given up 8 turnovers. so that argument also holds very little water imo. With all due respect: TCU is not undersized and you don't have the better coaching. Gary Patterson vs. Bo Pelini? Patterson EVERY time. FACT. I think the athleticism is a wash. These are all common misconceptions. Zammers, I think you're a cool poster here at HuskerBoard and I enjoy the compliments you've given Husker Nation as well as your insights. You're a class act. On top of that I also have the utmost respect for TCU football. I know they're more than capable of beating any BCS team on any given day. I also put Utah, BYU and Boise St. in that same category. With that said, I know you're a HUGE TCU fan and it's your duty to make your case for them, and rightfully so. But in regards to the bolded statement you made above, I'm curious what your standards are in judging something like this? IMO, it's premature to make such a statement since Patterson has been a HC for 9 years vs. Pelini's 2 years. But for the hell of it, I did some basic research and came up with the following. Patterson's first game as a HC came in 2000 at the GMAC Mobile Alabama Bowl. He was TCU's DC in 2000 while Dennis Franchione was HC. Franchione accepted the Alabama job just before the bowl game. The team and Patterson voted that they wanted Franchione to coach in the bowl game regardless of him accepting the Alabama job, but the AD went against their wishes and passed the HC reins over to Patterson to coach the bowl game instead. Patterson lost his first game as a HC in that bowl game. In a somewhat similar scenario, Pelini's first game as a HC also came in a bowl game while at Nebraska in the Alamo Bowl in 2003. Like Patterson, Pelini was the DC at Nebraska during the 2003 season until the AD fired Frank Solich just before the bowl game. The HC reins were temporarily passed over to Pelini. Coach Pelini won his first game as a HC in that bowl game. Since Patterson has 7 more years of HC experience over Pelini, I've decided to compare W/L records of each coach's first 2 seasons + the 1st bowl game as HC. Patterson = 16-9 (64%) Pelini = 20-8 (71%) Patterson = 1-2 in his first 3 bowl games as HC. Pelini = 3-0 in his first 3 bowl games as HC. To show the strength of each coach's conference that they've HC'ed in, here's the overall W/L record in each conference. TCU = C-USA (2001-2002). Nebraska = Big XII (2008-2009). 2001 - C-USA (10 Teams) = 53-63 2002 - C-USA (11 Teams) = 57-70 C-USA (2001-2002) = 45% Winning Percentage 2008 - Big XII = 91-62 2009 - Big XII = 88-66 Big XII (2008-2009) = 58% Winning Percentage Another interesting thing to note after further research, both Patterson and Pelini were DC's for 5 seasons in Div. 1 football before becoming HC's. So for fun I compiled basic defensive stats when they were DC's for those 5 seasons. Note that Pelini has DC'ed 6 more games than Patterson. Furthermore, I added an overall conference W/L stat at the end to show the overall strength of each conference that they've coached in. Patterson as DC 1996 @ New Mexico = 2,450 yds. passing allowed, 1,828 yds. rushing allowed, 280 pts. allowed 1997 @ New Mexico = 1,989 yds. passing allowed, 1,880 yds. rushing allowed, 254 pts. allowed 1998 @ TCU = 2,010 yds. passing allowed, 1,793 yds. rushing allowed, 216 pts. allowed 1999 @ TCU = 2,019 yds. passing allowed, 1,110 yds. rushing allowed, 199 pts. allowed 2000 @ TCU = 1,767 yds. passing allowed, 928 yds. rushing allowed, 106 pts. allowed 60 games @ 10,237 total yds. passing allowed, 7,539 total yds. rushing allowed = 17,776 total yds. allowed 60 games @ 1,055 total points allowed Pelini as DC 2003 @ Nebraska = 2,312 yds. passing allowed, 1,551 yds. rushing allowed, 188 pts. allowed 2004 @ Oklahoma = 2,657 yds. passing allowed, 1,230 yds. rushing allowed, 219 pts. allowed 2005 @ LSU = 2,279 yds. passing allowed, 1,190 yds. rushing allowed, 185 pts. allowed 2006 @ LSU = 1,894 yds. passing allowed, 1,262 yds. rushing allowed, 164 pts. allowed 2007 @ LSU = 2,558 yds. passing allowed, 1,485 yds. rushing allowed, 279 pts. allowed 66 games @ 11,700 total yds. passing allowed, 6,718 total yds. rushing allowed, = 18,418 total yds. allowed 66 games @ 1,035 total points allowed Overall Conference W/L comparisons. Patterson as DC WAC (16 Teams) 1996 @ New Mexico = 91 Wins, 95 Losses 1997 @ New Mexico = 90 Wins, 88 Losses 1998 @ TCU = 87 Wins, 101 Losses WAC (8 Teams) 1999 @ TCU = 45 Wins, 48 Losses, 4 Ties WAC (9 Teams) 2000 @ TCU = 48 Wins, 59 Losses WAC (1996-2000) = 48% Winning Percentage Pelini as DC Big XII 2003 @ Nebraska = 88 Wins, 67 Losses 2004 @ Oklahoma = 81 Wins, 60 Losses SEC (12 Teams) 2005 @ LSU = 79 Wins, 61 Losses 2006 @ LSU = 96 Wins, 59 Losses 2007 @ LSU = 96 Wins, 59 Losses Big XII (2003-2004) = 57% Winning Percentage SEC (2005-2007) = 60% Winning Percentage Last but not least, here is a breakdown of NFL players that each coach has sent both as DC's and HC's. I gave a projected total for Pelini since this year's draft hasn't taken place yet. We obviously know that Suh will be a first round pick at this point. However, I'll also include 3 more players from Nebraska as projected NFL'ers since they've gotten invites to the NFL combines next week. Patterson as DC (1996-2000) 5 Defensive Players to the NFL (2 from New Mexico. 3 from TCU.) Patterson as HC (2001-2002) 3 Players to the NFL (1 player from '01 and 2 players from '02) Pelini as DC (2003-2007) 18 Defensive Players to the NFL (3 from Nebraska. 6 from Oklahoma. 9 from LSU. Including two 1st rounders who went #5 and #6 overall). Pelini as HC (2008-2009) 7 Players to the NFL (3 players from '08 and the projected 4 players from '09. Suh, Asante, Dillard, Turner.) After breaking down the above statistics, you'd be hard pressed to convince people that Patterson > Pelini, definitively. Especially considering the differences in strength of their respective conferences that they've coached in. Historically the WAC and C-USA conferences are considerably weaker than the Big XII and SEC, which would favor Pelini's overall stats in this case. However, I also realize that the above stats doesn't include the past 7 years of Patterson's HC appointment for reasons already mentioned above. My point in all of this is to show that while you deemed your statement as a definitive fact, I merely showed that your assertion could be challenged on fair grounds and validly so. With all that said, I still think Patterson is an excellent coach, regardless of conference. Good Lord my brain hurts I give you props for making quite a good case. And there is no telling what the future holds for each coach. However, my dad always said, "A bird in hand is better than two in the bush." Patterson has had staying power and there is no sign he is slowing down. He's a proven head coach, Pelini's jury is still out. Patterson just won the National Coach of the Year. Patterson has directed the #1 defense in the country 4 times (record) in the last 9 years. Patterson is credited with putting more than a few players in the NFL (Those numbers above look low). A few to mention, Brian Urlacher (Bears) and Aaron Schobel (Bills) are both All-Pro's. I could go on, but I'm sure Pelini's list is just as impressive. Suh will be (hopefully) the #1 overall pick. But, TCU is going to possibly put two players in the 1st round as well.....Jerry Hughes (first team All-American DE) and Daryl Washington (ESPN first team All-American LB). They shouldn't fall below round 2 if the fall. So, I guess we are debating apples and oranges because both coaches are at different points in their careers. But let me ask you one question......Would you fire a coach that is #10 among active coaches in career winning percentage, 41 players in NFL camps, 21 draft picks, 11-3 in last 14 games vs. BCS schools, 4 conference titles, 5 10 win seasons in 7 years, 4 11 win seasons in the last 6 years, 93 all-conference selections, 6 Top 25 finishes in the last 9 years, 2 Top 10 finishes in the last 2 years, and a National Coach of the Year winner........ and replace him with Bo Pelini? Again, not saying Bo Pelini won't duplicate those feats but "A bird in hand is better than two in the bush."

Famous last words of numerous BCS conference schools. Good god guys give the team some respect. Trust me they did not lose to Iowa State, does that still fit into your memory. Bo was here when we lost that game if I am not mistaking. TCU and Boise State are very good teams. Lack of respect is exactly what got us into the situation we had before. Thinking we were entitled, better than everyone else because we were Nebraska. Not true anymore. We will have to actually win the games for people to believe in us. Yea lots of pub coming into this season. We are not back, we lost to Iowa State at home. We beat no one in the top 15 this year, or actually the top 20. Prove it, then talk. thats all fine and dandy but i do not fear them. they are undersized and speedy. proper scheme will take care of any speed that they have and we have superior athletes (fact) so as long as our coaches are better (they are) then we would beat them by 2+ TDs imo. saying that we didnt beat anyone in the top 20 (final top 20, we did beat a team or 2 in the top 20 before we played them) means very very very little. Thats not how you base success. and you are correct, we did lose to ISU by 2 after giving up 8 turnovers and completely demolishing them for 4 full quarters in every other aspect of the game. TCU or Boise or Freaking Texas would have lost that game too had they given up 8 turnovers. so that argument also holds very little water imo. With all due respect: TCU is not undersized and you don't have the better coaching. Gary Patterson vs. Bo Pelini? Patterson EVERY time. FACT. I think the athleticism is a wash. These are all common misconceptions. Funny how a nice friendly congratulations post from a TCU fan turns into a pissing contest isn't it? lol Well, if everyone agreed on message boards we wouldn't have anything to talk about. I've got to at least make a case right?

Famous last words of numerous BCS conference schools. Good god guys give the team some respect. Trust me they did not lose to Iowa State, does that still fit into your memory. Bo was here when we lost that game if I am not mistaking. TCU and Boise State are very good teams. Lack of respect is exactly what got us into the situation we had before. Thinking we were entitled, better than everyone else because we were Nebraska. Not true anymore. We will have to actually win the games for people to believe in us. Yea lots of pub coming into this season. We are not back, we lost to Iowa State at home. We beat no one in the top 15 this year, or actually the top 20. Prove it, then talk. thats all fine and dandy but i do not fear them. they are undersized and speedy. proper scheme will take care of any speed that they have and we have superior athletes (fact) so as long as our coaches are better (they are) then we would beat them by 2+ TDs imo. saying that we didnt beat anyone in the top 20 (final top 20, we did beat a team or 2 in the top 20 before we played them) means very very very little. Thats not how you base success. and you are correct, we did lose to ISU by 2 after giving up 8 turnovers and completely demolishing them for 4 full quarters in every other aspect of the game. TCU or Boise or Freaking Texas would have lost that game too had they given up 8 turnovers. so that argument also holds very little water imo. With all due respect: TCU is not undersized and you don't have the better coaching. Gary Patterson vs. Bo Pelini? Patterson EVERY time. FACT. I think the athleticism is a wash. These are all common misconceptions.

Famous last words of numerous BCS conference schools. I respect these teams, but I certainly don't fear them. Order Restored I agree. A true fan never fears another team. Even teams like SMU should have fans that are loyal and fear no one.

Famous last words of numerous BCS conference schools.

I have not seen him play in person, but I've watched his film. He is one of the top 20 players in Texas going into this spring. He plays QB currently, but I'm not sure he's not better suited for another position. He is on the small side (for a QB) at 6'1 173lb. He's electric with the ball in his hands (maybe Wr). Has great cut back ability and seems to find a way to get to open space. He can even be effective on the defensive side of the ball. Could be a VERY good DB for the Blackshirts. Charles Woodson-like? I'll probably have an opportunity to see him up close this next fall and can give you a better idea then. I don't think TCU can hang with Nebraska. Not even close. Can you imagine if TCU played Texas or Alabama in Pasadena. It would not of been pretty. If you watched TCU at all last year you would know we were OFF in the Fiesta Bowl. We were never in a rhythm. Your statement above tells me you don't have a very high respect for Boise St. Guys, for those of you who don't know or don't want to admit it, BOISE STATE is good. Very good. They are well coached and execute with precision. They will be top 3 to start the season. TCU could easily have won the Fiesta Bowl. A few bounces here and there and one mistake on a fake punt. Trust me, I was there and I wanted to throw up, but after watching the film we didn't play half bad. Just out of sync. The only team to beat Boise in the last 2 years is TCU. If Boise can get past Virginia Tech and Oregon State.....they could be playing for the title.

I have not seen him play in person, but I've watched his film. He is one of the top 20 players in Texas going into this spring. He plays QB currently, but I'm not sure he's not better suited for another position. He is on the small side (for a QB) at 6'1 173lb. He's electric with the ball in his hands (maybe Wr). Has great cut back ability and seems to find a way to get to open space. He can even be effective on the defensive side of the ball. Could be a VERY good DB for the Blackshirts. Charles Woodson-like? I'll probably have an opportunity to see him up close this next fall and can give you a better idea then.

Quite frankly, I think it's a bigger deal if Bo Pelini wants you on his defense. Oh really? No knock to Bo Pelini. The record for ending the season ranked #1 in total defense is 4 times. That record is shared by 3 teams.....Alabama, Auburn, and TCU. Alabama and Auburn have finished #1 4 times in 75 years. It just so happens that TCU has done it 4 times in the last 9 years. So I think Gary Patterson edges Bo Pelini out in that regard. Try playing Virginia Tech, Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, and Texas Tech in the same season...then talk about defensive stats...Would you have wanted to play NU after the Holiday Bowl??? Didn;t think so! Why would I want to watch a 6-3 Frog win?

Quite frankly, I think it's a bigger deal if Bo Pelini wants you on his defense. Oh really? No knock to Bo Pelini. The record for ending the season ranked #1 in total defense is 4 times. That record is shared by 3 teams.....Alabama, Auburn, and TCU. Alabama and Auburn have finished #1 4 times in 75 years. It just so happens that TCU has done it 4 times in the last 9 years. So I think Gary Patterson edges Bo Pelini out in that regard.

When Missouri gets a defense I'd start worrying. And they have a lonnnnnng way to go. Until then I would just concentrate on bettering Nebraska.

"Where's her belly button?" You guys crack me up.

Dude, there is NO QUESTION. He was the most dominant defensive line player I've seen in a long time. St. Louis Rams you are on the clock!

TCU fan and all-around sports crazed freak. And you haven't offended me Stare all you want.

What is this crap about Nebraska having a small media market? Does that mean that Nebraska doesn't get high TV ratings? If that is the case why in the world would they want Missouri, there is no way Missouri drives higher TV ratings than NU. I'm in the military and where ever I go there are large groups of Husker fans just as many as Ohio State, USC, Texas, OU, and Florida fans. When they say media market are they just talking about in the state of Nebraska it self, b/c Husker nation is all over the place! I have no doubt that Nebraska supports their team both in state and out of state. But when they are determining TV market they are thinking of the "casual" viewers. In this case, Missouri gets a big draw from St. Louis, which is a large city. Nebraska doesn't have a city that large. So Nebraska may have the better and more loyal fans..... Missouri has more random casual fans. At least that's the way I understand it. For example, you hear a lot about the Big 10 looking at Rutgers. Rutgers doesn't have nearly the fan support that Nebraska does, but they are a pretty big draw in New York, which is one of the biggest markets. It does and it doesn't make sense all at once.

I don't see the reasoning by the move to the BIG 10 other than money. I'm not sure Nebraska brings the TV market that the BIG 10 is looking to acquire. Who cares anyway? Nebraska is about to have a stranglehold on the Big 12 North if they keep going in their current direction.

Guys, its taken me a little over a month to get over the Fiesta Bowl loss. But, I wanted to come over and say congratulations on a helluva season and especially the performance you put on in the Big 12 championship. I came on here right before the game (Big 12) and asked you guys to beat Texas down to give ole TCU a shot at the national title. I guess it wasn't meant to be. However, I'm glad to see that Nebraska football is back!!!!! My take on a few of your new recruits: Ciante Evans: Outstanding cover corner. I watched him play a bit down here in Arlington and the Huskers got a talent. He was a fast rising prospect over the last year and really wanted to leave the state. That's a good thing for Nebraska because you won't have to worry about him being homesick. Depending on your depth he should be able to help out sooner rather than later. He was one of TCU's top 2 targets, but in the end he jilted the Frogs for Husker country. We never really had a chance. Donovan Vestal: Nice size. Above average motor. Looks to me like he has a great feel for the game. Good instincts. Jay Guy: Early enrollee (which is always good). I think he needs to work on his strength and explosion off the ball. Might be a little on the heavy side, but could benefit from a 10 lb weight loss and added agility that comes with that. High motor guy. Those are the only prospects I have had the opportunity to watch out of Texas. I'm sure you guys know about all that stuff already, but I thought maybe I'd could add a bit. I don't post often over here, but I enjoy reading the site. Good luck in 2010. Beat the Horns!!

Seriously, do you think I should get paid for this blatant plagarism? Obviously someone over at ESPN took notice of my post. Guess what I said was legit! Nebraska's payback for TCU Go Huskers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We believe in ya!

Well Colorado won the Big 12 but had 2 losses. So the computers left it up to 1 loss Nebraska and 1 loss Oregon. The difference in the end was TCU adding to strength of schedule and putting Nebraska ahead of Oregon in the computers by a sliver. Your welcome!

Dear Nebraska, On August 25, 2001 I made my way up to Lincoln for the TCU vs. Nebraska game. What a day that was. TCU put up a helluva fight in a losing effort (21-7). I also got to see Eric Crouch play which was an amazing experience. Little did the Nebraska faithful know at the time, but TCU held the key to the Huskers play in the 2001 National Championship. TCU beat Southern Miss on December 7, 2001 to boost Nebraska's strength of schedule and hop Oregon to play Miami in the national championship. A gift we were happy to give. Almost 8 years to the day.........Nebraska can repay that debt owed to TCU. With a NU win on Saturday TCU has the chance (who knows what those BCS'ers have up their sleeve) to play in the national championship game. Funny how this game is being played right here in Arlington only 15 minutes from TCU. I guarantee purple shirts are traded in for RED ones this Saturday at the game. Good luck this weekend and PUNCH THEM IN THE MOUTH!!!!! We got your back down here in DFW! Give em Hell, Zammers