Notre Dame Joe

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Per this, I am betting this friday is the deadline for ND. If ND accepts I believe the Big10 will stop at 12 teams. If ND refuses the Big10 will add NU and stay at 12 for the time being. The Big10 will wait and see if the Big12 will really disolve causing the seismic shift Tejas is claiming will happen. If it doesnt the Big10 just added a great national program in NU, however if the seismic shift starts ND will be backed into a corner and will only join the Big10 if they are the 16th and final team. The golden egg has always been ND and the Big10 is preparing to do whatever necessary to get them.

 

I am praying ND says no thank you.

Amen

Yes but they don't get to play for the national championship. I'm not restarting the "do they deserve it?" debate, just pointing out that it is not possible.

The problem with college football is there are too many ISUs, too many Baylors, too many KSUs. We have too many teams to make any sort of pretense of a national competition viable. The NFL doesn't have to contend with this because they have just over 30 teams and they're divisioned off properly. With four superconferences, we could finally see the promise land of college football, free of the BCS, free of the unwashed masses of glorified 1AA schools. No more late comers like Boise State stealing slots from premiere teams that play in real conferences.

 

Nebraska is one of the proud few that couldn't conceivably be left behind––too much tradition, a national fanbase, and long standing prestige. Does it suck for teams like ISU that are probably about to be left in the dust? Yes it does. But frankly, our team has earned what I think we're going to get, which is a spot in a new world of college football. The fanbase has invested the time, the resources, the constant devotion for decades and decades. Schools like ISU haven't. In my view they're not worthy of a seat at the table, certainly not if we're ever going to realistically start a national college football competition instead of the garbage we've come to know as the BCS system.

People love The Boise's and Butler's of college sports and that's what football is lacking under the current system.

I don't see why Texas would leave the Big12 without getting a special deal, at least for their own tv station. What are they lacking?

I'm also quite sure the Big East is not issuing ultimatums [ultimata?] to anyone.

Joe, is it mainly tradition that is keeping the irish fans from supporting the move? Or are there other reasons?

Broadly, the "Tradition" holds that it is in our best interest to be independant

The Notre Dame fan base is ardently opposed to Big# membership regardless of the financial impact. The admins of course are weighing financial impact choices of course, but we suspect their real reason is they want ND to be perceived as a major research institution (like the Big#) and not as a Catholic football school. Maybe Nebraska believes your research profile would be upped.

But its the ND fans, not the NBC money that is keeping us out of that conference.

Are you guys fine with losing rivalries with Oklahoma, Texas and Colorado in favor of The Michigans, eastOSU, and Indiana U?

People still remember the nicest fans in 2000 were the visiting Nebraskans. Especially because most of us sat within a row or two of Red shirts in the stadium.

 

That may be an understatement. I forget what was going on in South Bend at the time, but you guys had less fans clamoring for seats around then than you traditionally do, and we packed your stadium like crazy:

 

 

I'm glad to hear that you remember our fans fondly, because we take pride in not being those typical asshat visitors (with the inevitable few asshats thrown in here and there). From what I recall in 2001 you guys were wonderful visitors and I daresay Nebraska would be ecstatic to be in the same conference as Notre Dame. I know that's a remote possibility, but one can always dream.

 

Welcome to HuskerBoard, NDJ. Make yourself at home, and any insight you have into the Irish this year - we'd love to hear it.

There were a large number of ticket holders whose loyalty stopped at 50$. The student section was mostly green but the senior area had a number of red groups.

That being said it actually was quite not as bad as it looked because; that upper decks in that shot are the visiting team section, and it was sunny and hot that day so most of the adult domers were wearing white shirts. Still I doubt any of those issues were a problem in the return game in 2001.

The following two fanbases suck:

 

Ohio State - there are so many of these efers in Chicago and they are so fricking annoying. The most passionate fans tend to be the ones that didn't go to the school. Ohio, Miami of Ohio, Marshall, etc. all bleed Ohio State crimson. I get text messages from some every Saturday saying how their team is so good. Every single one has a bs sense of entitlement...I hate them the most (sorry Manhattan).

Michigan - smug, arrogant, think they know it all from politics to water polo to football. Not really much else to say.

 

another thing about michigan: they actually think they won a national championship in 1997.

 

weird, huh?

Avoiding Nebraska in 97 saved Michigan from 50 years of underachieving. It was a necessary evil.

As for the fan bases, the most interesting is the UM vs eastOSU. OSU's rabid fans are all from Ohio whereas M is scattered around the country. It's the Gentry vs the Provinces. For that reason the fans in Columbus try to make outsiders feel as intimidated as possible [invest in fake license plates]

Playing in South Bend, the Big# fanbases weren't too much trouble. MSU was the most annoying because they were very blue collar; as in loud and drunk.

People still remember the nicest fans in 2000 were the visiting Nebraskans. Especially because most of us sat within a row or two of Red shirts in the stadium.

Hello Huskers.

Not sure what thread this should go in but, have you read the history of the Big11? I see a lot of problems with the power of Texas over the Big12. I want to warn you how the Big2 (scUM and eastOSU) run their conference?

What happened in the Big12 title game was controversial, but there is very little to debate about who gets what in the upper midwest. Google around.

- Joe

No way that Notre Dame will stop expansion, they may slow it down - by the Big Ten only taking on 2 more teams, but they won't stop it. However, the Big 10 would not go to 16 teams without Notre Dame, Notre Dame is a "jewel" if the Big 10 could bring them in. What I would hate to see happen is have them make a sweetheart deal with Notre Dame, something better than any other team in the Big 10 gets, just to get them in the door. Notre Dame has a superiority complex, thinking they are better than anyone else, and deserve more than anyone else, to me that is a problem. That is the same problem we have in the Big 12 with Texas now, and other teams, including Nebraska, resent this.

I agree mostly. ND passed on a chance to join the Big11 and stop it for a while at 12.