Complex Offense

[I Bleed RED]

Rob,

Let me introduce myself, I am the choir you are preaching to.

 

[skersOVRsc]

Complex? Oh come on, it's easy stuff...

Red Right

Tight F

Left 20

HB Cut

X-up

Niner Niner

Red Rum

Blpbppttptppbppt~~

On three, on three!

Exactly. :lol:

GBR!!!

:lol: C'mon now, there are benefits to detailed calls, it allows you to almost describe the play as you call it which should cut down on errors of execution, operative word being should.

 

[I Bleed RED]

Ironically, there is a reason it is called a pro-style offense. You know, the elite players use it but at least we are letting 20 yr olds give it a try. Great idea too, make it so complex that our recruits have to wait to play. No reason to use them all 4 years....that would be crazy.

:sarcasm

 

[adc7236]

I would not be opposed to BC turning over the play calling to SW.

 

[skersOVRsc]

Ironically, there is a reason it is called a pro-style offense. You know, the elite players use it but at least we are letting 20 yr olds give it a try. Great idea too, make it so complex that our recruits have to wait to play. No reason to use them all 4 years....that would be crazy.

:sarcasm

During the TO years kids would RS all the time........if anything the reverse is true, BC has played 7 freshmen allready this year, the most T.O. EVER played was 6 ............so what are you talking about, something about complexity right?.

 

[I Bleed RED]

RS is not losing any years of elligibility so that isn't what I said. But who besides Castille is playing on offense as a Freshman. Maybe I am wrong. I don't think that is correct.

Also I have no idea how you know how many frosh played for TO each year throughout all of his years. That seems inaccurate also. But I might be wrong.

 

[skersOVRsc]

RS is not losing any years of elligibility so that isn't what I said. But who besides Castille is playing on offense as a Freshman. Maybe I am wrong. I don't think that is correct.

Also I have no idea how you know how many frosh played for TO each year throughout all of his years. That seems inaccurate also. But I might be wrong.

You said "make it so complex that our recruits have to wait to play" and red shirting is waiting to play (ask Josh Freeman). As for freshman offensive players there has been Castille, Helu, Kunalic and Paul. The rest play on sp teams. The only reason I know about the TO comparison is because it was in the Omaha World Herald.

 

[DaveH]

My god. Have any of you ever played football before? Yes, the calls are more complicated than 32 Dive like in high school or junior high, but it's not like the players are mentally challenged. Gimme a break.

Every player has a part of the call that they have to pay attention to. The only one that really has to have it all together is the QB because they have to spit the play out in the huddle.

Oh and as far as guessing run or pass. Well, you have a 50 50 shot. Not really surprising that you'd be able to guess right.

 

[rkhufu7]

My god. Have any of you ever played football before? Yes, the calls are more complicated than 32 Dive like in high school or junior high, but it's not like the players are mentally challenged. Gimme a break.

Every player has a part of the call that they have to pay attention to. The only one that really has to have it all together is the QB because they have to spit the play out in the huddle.

Oh and as far as guessing run or pass. Well, you have a 50 50 shot. Not really surprising that you'd be able to guess right.

The terminology is to complicated to pick up for the kids. When they shift, its a run for sure, because the shifts have a call and the patterns have a call.

 

[DaveH]

My god. Have any of you ever played football before? Yes, the calls are more complicated than 32 Dive like in high school or junior high, but it's not like the players are mentally challenged. Gimme a break.

Every player has a part of the call that they have to pay attention to. The only one that really has to have it all together is the QB because they have to spit the play out in the huddle.

Oh and as far as guessing run or pass. Well, you have a 50 50 shot. Not really surprising that you'd be able to guess right.

The terminology is to complicated to pick up for the kids.

Kids? Kids?

Sam Keller is a kid? He's 23 years old for Christ sake.

Here's an example. Tell me what's complicated about this. I took these from a slide show on the West Coast offense.

You have a route call, backs call and a line call.

It might be too complicated for a bunch of guys to play in a back yard, but it definitely isn't too complicated for a kid who has been playing football for the better half of his life.

 

[skersOVRsc]

My god. Have any of you ever played football before? Yes, the calls are more complicated than 32 Dive like in high school or junior high, but it's not like the players are mentally challenged. Gimme a break.

Every player has a part of the call that they have to pay attention to. The only one that really has to have it all together is the QB because they have to spit the play out in the huddle.

Oh and as far as guessing run or pass. Well, you have a 50 50 shot. Not really surprising that you'd be able to guess right.

The terminology is to complicated to pick up for the kids. When they shift, its a run for sure, because the shifts have a call and the patterns have a call.

Wow..........just because they shift and run 70% of the time doesnt mean they do it all the time. Besides, part of the idea is to get the D to play into tendencies and go to a pass or play action, hence the saying "use the run to set up the pass". It also works to get mismatches on open ends and weak side LB's, but I know I am wasting my breath, good luck with your 32 dive. Thank you DaveH for saving me some typing on the rest.

 

[I Bleed RED]

Well, perhaps your right DaveH. You and many others haven't played high level college football because it's about the amount of plays and the multiple responsibilities out of each formation. Those formations aren't showing the motion either.

Pick up his playbook and get back to me in a week. Also, I don't want to hear about players who step on the field for a play or two or during mop up times. Castille is a good point but RS IS NOT WHAT I MEANT. It is smart to sit most RS so they can get bigger and better for a year. And 4th stringers and a kicker don't count as "playing" they count as getting on the field. A kicker is not on offense, he is on special teams.

 

[tattooedhusker]

actually a kicker is part of a good offense, 46 yard field goal puts points on the board, and field position helps the D don't it?

 

[DaveH]

Well, perhaps your right DaveH. You and many others haven't played high level college football because it's about the amount of plays and the multiple responsibilities out of each formation. Those formations aren't showing the motion either.

They were just an example. Sure you might have a motion package in there as well.

The amount of plays? I don't think you understand what I am getting at.

As I understand it, the point of a modern offense is to have parts (blocking schemes, routes, etc etc). Then you put them together into plays. As a receiver, you need to know your routes, blocking, etc. You don't need to memorize every single combination of protections, motions and routes ever. You hear the call, know what your responsibility is given the call, then you do it. There is no value in knowing every single play and thus every single combination of the parts of a call.

This has been discussed before, but the players receive a package of plays that they will practice for a given game week. These plays are derived from a much larger collection of plays and they are designed by the staff in an attempt to win, after watching film, studying players, etc. It's not like the coaching staff could call any play out of millions and you have to know every damn one.

 

[tattooedhusker]

:yeah