Complex Offense

OK, then I will totally agree with you.

Now agree with me, OUR COACH SUCKS not being able to execute as well as others, nor being able to get our players to understand his system since it isn't tougher than other teams.

 
I Bleed RED said:
OK, then I will totally agree with you.

Now agree with me, OUR COACH SUCKS not being able to execute as well as others, nor being able to get our players to understand his system since it isn't tougher than other teams.
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How do you even know if players understand the system, or if NU is executing the game plan?! Reading your responses is like playing golf in a black hole without a glow-ball...on that...

you say this like you have anything to do with Nebraska football. Maybe your name should be 'I bleed crimson', then you could collaberate with your fellow USC, Alabama or Oklahoma homies.

And if you tied a billion dollars around your neck and said you were rich, I still wouldn't agree with you.

 
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I Bleed RED said:
OK, then I will totally agree with you.

Now agree with me, OUR COACH SUCKS not being able to execute as well as others, nor being able to get our players to understand his system since it isn't tougher than other teams.
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No, I don't agree with you. Not to mention that's not the topic at hand.

 
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And a little FYI for those who haven't played or seen a WCO playbook.

You can be in a standard formation call Off-3s-Split Right-384 that is your formation, then from that formation it's not like a typical offense where you give the assignment, the assignment needs to be memorized. So after the QB states the formation he will say the routes, like this Off-3s-Split Right-384 Denver" but here is the catch there are usually about 6-10 routes for 5 receivers. So there could be Denver-Omaha-Drangon-Thunder-Smoke-Train...etc. So they receiver needs to first learn the formation which is pretty easy, then they must learn each assignment for up to 10 plays for each formation. They must memorize this, not as simple as calling a play like XYZ receivers which tell the reciever the route within the play call.

 
DaveH said:
My god. Have any of you ever played football before? Yes, the calls are more complicated than 32 Dive like in high school or junior high, but it's not like the players are mentally challenged. Gimme a break.

Every player has a part of the call that they have to pay attention to. The only one that really has to have it all together is the QB because they have to spit the play out in the huddle.

Oh and as far as guessing run or pass. Well, you have a 50 50 shot. Not really surprising that you'd be able to guess right.
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So with a 50/50 shot "guessing right" 90% or more of the time is reasonable?

 
LOL. a 50/50 chance that they get 90% right.

Well if you run a sweep when the defense thinks you are running up the middle then the play will go for huge yards. The plays might be 50/50 run and pass but their are many different types of runs/draws/screen/play action/so it's as simple as just run or pass and having a 50% chance of getting it right DaveH

 
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I Bleed RED said:
And a little FYI for those who haven't played or seen a WCO playbook.

You can be in a standard formation call Off-3s-Split Right-384 that is your formation, then from that formation it's not like a typical offense where you give the assignment, the assignment needs to be memorized. So after the QB states the formation he will say the routes, like this Off-3s-Split Right-384 Denver" but here is the catch there are usually about 6-10 routes for 5 receivers. So there could be Denver-Omaha-Drangon-Thunder-Smoke-Train...etc. So they receiver needs to first learn the formation which is pretty easy, then they must learn each assignment for up to 10 plays for each formation. They must memorize this, not as simple as calling a play like XYZ receivers which tell the reciever the route within the play call.
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Your intellect is dizzying. :thumbs

 
robsker said:
DaveH said:
My god. Have any of you ever played football before? Yes, the calls are more complicated than 32 Dive like in high school or junior high, but it's not like the players are mentally challenged. Gimme a break.

Every player has a part of the call that they have to pay attention to. The only one that really has to have it all together is the QB because they have to spit the play out in the huddle.

Oh and as far as guessing run or pass. Well, you have a 50 50 shot. Not really surprising that you'd be able to guess right.
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So with a 50/50 shot "guessing right" 90% or more of the time is reasonable?
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You missed my point. In football, you can either run the ball or pass the ball.

I swear I hear this every year "OMG I KNOW WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO RUN!!11" yet at the end of the year, it's always balanced whether they run or pass. Some people need to learn how to breathe through their nose.

 
Actually, your chances of guessing runs vs. passes if you know anything at all about football would be much better than 50:50. Think context. If you're 3rd and 1 around mid field and have been running the ball well your most likely to run. I'm definitely not a football guru but bet I can do better than 50:50.

 
I Bleed RED said:
And a little FYI for those who haven't played or seen a WCO playbook.

You can be in a standard formation call Off-3s-Split Right-384 that is your formation, then from that formation it's not like a typical offense where you give the assignment, the assignment needs to be memorized. So after the QB states the formation he will say the routes, like this Off-3s-Split Right-384 Denver" but here is the catch there are usually about 6-10 routes for 5 receivers. So there could be Denver-Omaha-Drangon-Thunder-Smoke-Train...etc. So they receiver needs to first learn the formation which is pretty easy, then they must learn each assignment for up to 10 plays for each formation. They must memorize this, not as simple as calling a play like XYZ receivers which tell the reciever the route within the play call.
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Yes, there are multiple routes that the receiver has to know, whats your point? I never said that don't have to remember anything. I said they don't have to remember every single combination of plays ever.

Has anyone ever studied for anything more than a spelling test? I fail to understand what's so hard about this. Obviously not everyone ever can grasp it completely, but not everyone graduates from high school or college either.

 
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I Bleed RED said:
And a little FYI for those who haven't played or seen a WCO playbook.

You can be in a standard formation call Off-3s-Split Right-384 that is your formation, then from that formation it's not like a typical offense where you give the assignment, the assignment needs to be memorized. So after the QB states the formation he will say the routes, like this Off-3s-Split Right-384 Denver" but here is the catch there are usually about 6-10 routes for 5 receivers. So there could be Denver-Omaha-Drangon-Thunder-Smoke-Train...etc. So they receiver needs to first learn the formation which is pretty easy, then they must learn each assignment for up to 10 plays for each formation. They must memorize this, not as simple as calling a play like XYZ receivers which tell the reciever the route within the play call.
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Yes, there are multiple routes that the receiver has to know, whats your point? I never said that don't have to remember anything. I said they don't have to remember every single combination of plays ever.

Has anyone ever studied for anything more than a spelling test? I fail to understand what's so hard about this. Obviously not everyone ever can grasp it completely, but not everyone graduates from high school or college either.
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I am so smart! I am so smart! S-M-R-T! I mean, S-M-A-R-T! ;)

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so after all the bullsh#t, has this system been proven to be anymore productive than any other one used at NU? and if so, how would we know that?

 
Hunter94 said:
so after all the bullsh#t, has this system been proven to be anymore productive than any other one used at NU? and if so, how would we know that?
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Good question. I'd say that we do not have enough data to say definatively. It will take more time to see if there is some sustained success.

But wow, what a high benchmark to set! To compare any system to the success that the Devany/Osborne in their day is a tall order. The NU offensive system, operative in the 70's, 80's and early 90's (which itself evolved) will likely never see an equal --- or even a close competitor. That said, that was then and this is now.

While there is not yet enough data to be certain, impressions are possible. I can say this --- I am not sold on the Callahan system. My biggest concern is that it appears that a 1st year QB will struggle and that that season will be an unlikely one in which to really compete for a top 10 slot. Of course, that can be argued to be the case for all systems --- to varying degrees --- but none so much so as the Cally offense. Plus, his play calling......

 
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