Complex Offense

robsker said:
Hunter94 said:
so after all the bullsh#t, has this system been proven to be anymore productive than any other one used at NU? and if so, how would we know that?
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Good question. I'd say that we do not have enough data to say definatively. It will take more time to see if there is some sustained success.

But wow, what a high benchmark to set! To compare any system to the success that the Devany/Osborne in their day is a tall order. The NU offensive system, operative in the 70's, 80's and early 90's (which itself evolved) will likely never see an equal --- or even a close competitor. That said, that was then and this is now.

While there is not yet enough data to be certain, impressions are possible. I can say this --- I am not sold on the Callahan system. My biggest concern is that it appears that a 1st year QB will struggle and that that season will be an unlikely one in which to really compete for a top 10 slot. Of course, that can be argued to be the case for all systems --- to varying degrees --- but none so much so as the Cally offense. Plus, his play calling......
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what is amazing to me is how Stoops can put his offense in the hands of a freshman qb and have it look so efficient......thoughts?

 
robsker said:
Hunter94 said:
so after all the bullsh#t, has this system been proven to be anymore productive than any other one used at NU? and if so, how would we know that?
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Good question. I'd say that we do not have enough data to say definatively. It will take more time to see if there is some sustained success.

But wow, what a high benchmark to set! To compare any system to the success that the Devany/Osborne in their day is a tall order. The NU offensive system, operative in the 70's, 80's and early 90's (which itself evolved) will likely never see an equal --- or even a close competitor. That said, that was then and this is now.
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Maybe he's good?!? What are you implying?

And yes, I know what you're implying...but go ahead and say it. :rolleyes:

 
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no, basically what we are saying is, does this NFL system work well in the college format of play? if so why? why is this system better than anything else out there? if not, is it the system or play calling that needs help/changed? i dunno, frankly though, i am still not sold on it. better players down the road, same system, less than satisfactory results? then, at that time, you have to begin to wonder. not quite yet, but there is some suspicion already for some of us, although no one is ready to condemn the experiment just yet.

 
I haven't read everyones post but, part of the complexity is how many plays there are. Keller has a little over 150 plays on his wristband.

 
Hunter94 said:
robsker said:
Hunter94 said:
so after all the bullsh#t, has this system been proven to be anymore productive than any other one used at NU? and if so, how would we know that?
Click to expand...

Good question. I'd say that we do not have enough data to say definatively. It will take more time to see if there is some sustained success.

But wow, what a high benchmark to set! To compare any system to the success that the Devany/Osborne in their day is a tall order. The NU offensive system, operative in the 70's, 80's and early 90's (which itself evolved) will likely never see an equal --- or even a close competitor. That said, that was then and this is now.

While there is not yet enough data to be certain, impressions are possible. I can say this --- I am not sold on the Callahan system. My biggest concern is that it appears that a 1st year QB will struggle and that that season will be an unlikely one in which to really compete for a top 10 slot. Of course, that can be argued to be the case for all systems --- to varying degrees --- but none so much so as the Cally offense. Plus, his play calling......
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what is amazing to me is how Stoops can put his offense in the hands of a freshman qb and have it look so efficient......thoughts?
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My thoughts about this question are, OU runs a spread-attack offense where the defenses are stretched from sideline to sideline. This type of offense is used a lot in college and high school so players can pick it up quickly. Throw in some fast, talented wideouts and RBs and there you go. My personal choice would to use this. But I am not the coach. Just dont tell my armchair that ;)

Anyways, our WCO isnt going anywhere soon so its really up to these guys to learn the plays if they want to see the field.

 
Hunter94 said:
what is amazing to me is how Stoops can put his offense in the hands of a freshman qb and have it look so efficient......thoughts?
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Not really familiar with their offense, so I can't really comment. I know that OU has been playing solid. Few errors, few miscues.

 
Addison Mode said:
Hunter94 said:
robsker said:
Hunter94 said:
so after all the bullsh#t, has this system been proven to be anymore productive than any other one used at NU? and if so, how would we know that?
Click to expand...

Good question. I'd say that we do not have enough data to say definatively. It will take more time to see if there is some sustained success.

But wow, what a high benchmark to set! To compare any system to the success that the Devany/Osborne in their day is a tall order. The NU offensive system, operative in the 70's, 80's and early 90's (which itself evolved) will likely never see an equal --- or even a close competitor. That said, that was then and this is now.

While there is not yet enough data to be certain, impressions are possible. I can say this --- I am not sold on the Callahan system. My biggest concern is that it appears that a 1st year QB will struggle and that that season will be an unlikely one in which to really compete for a top 10 slot. Of course, that can be argued to be the case for all systems --- to varying degrees --- but none so much so as the Cally offense. Plus, his play calling......
Click to expand...

what is amazing to me is how Stoops can put his offense in the hands of a freshman qb and have it look so efficient......thoughts?
Click to expand...
My thoughts about this question are, OU runs a spread-attack offense where the defenses are stretched from sideline to sideline. This type of offense is used a lot in college and high school so players can pick it up quickly. Throw in some fast, talented wideouts and RBs and there you go. My personal choice would to use this. But I am not the coach. Just dont tell my armchair that ;)

Anyways, our WCO isnt going anywhere soon so its really up to these guys to learn the plays if they want to see the field.
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OU runs a multiple offense, spread, with a TE, 2 RBs, I-formation, 3 TEs... Their offense is multiple, they can pass and they can run. NU offense is to complex and produces no FRUIT! Maybe you should have hired Kevin Wilson or Chuck Long instead of Callahan. Remember Norm Chow would have taken the job!

 
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huskerfan500 said:
I haven't read everyones post but, part of the complexity is how many plays there are. Keller has a little over 150 plays on his wristband.
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Guys there are 2 different WC offenses. The best is the Sid Gillman offense, which was picked up by Don Coryell, Gibbs, Zampese, Norv Turner, Sanders, Matz... Great power running offense, with timing, 3, 5, 7 step drops and a numbered pass route tree. The Paul Brown/Bill Walsh offense is the short passing, two back offense, with the big WRs. USC runs a combo of both, since Chow came from BYU, where they ran the Walsh type system, minus the running game and the Gillman system has always been run in some form by PAC-10 teams for the most part. Gillman's offense is a power running game and quick WRs, that can go deep. We saw this in the old AFL, with the Chargers and Raiders. Now the offense is simplified by zone blocking for running plays, and one back offenses, that have a vertical/horizontal passing game. You can run multiple formations, motion, shift and do groups, but you will still run the old Redskins 50 gut (inside zone), power o (outside zone/stretch) and the counter trey or pitch sweep (outside zone blocking). You add playactions, nakeds and boots (waggles) off these plays from various formations, plus the 3 verticals, mesh routes, all curls, WR/RB screens, and you have one effective, yet simple offense to learn! Callahan's offense is to complicated, when it need not be!

Pro-Right 619 75 mesh (fake). This is an example of a simple play. I formation, TE right, 70 series denotes left is playside, so 6 is the X route, 1 is the Y route and 9 is the Z route. The 5 gives the steps and sets the WR route depths also, man or zone determines how it will be run. You can pre determine what type of blocking by play call(50, 60, 70, 80, 90...), one back or two backs block, or one releasss. This is not rocket science.

 
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Finally someone else gets it. It is a simple set out offense depending on the overall playbook. BC overcomplicates it b/c he I think he is full of himself so he over thinks himself. He wants his system to be considered the most difficult and masterful of all time. Ego driven and poor play calling...hmmm something he was known for in Oakland also.

I do like 80% of his offense. I think he gets in the way of it with his play calling and adding wrinkles that don't need to be there.

 
You're right. You guys know what's up. When Callahan gets fired, both of you should apply. Definitely.

I still don't understand why people think Callahan has some ego he has to serve regardless of what's best for the team. It's ludicrous to accuse any coach of that. Absolutely ludicrous.

 
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That's not what I mean....he isn't trying to feed his ego. Callahan thinks he is smarter than the other teams coaches and his offense is so genius that he is blinded by his own shortcomings. In his heart he thinks he is doing what is best for the team.

 
I Bleed RED said:
That's not what I mean....he isn't trying to feed his ego. Callahan thinks he is smarter than the other teams coaches and his offense is so genius that he is blinded by his own shortcomings. In his heart he thinks he is doing what is best for the team.
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You reach farther and farther every time you try and justify your hatred of Bill Callahan. Why can't you just be a fan and stop acting like you know everything? Criticism is one thing, but give me a break.

 
Good response to the post. Way to stay on topic.

I think BC overstates his offense and that is the point of the thread.. His style of offense.

 
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