How did Washington do it? (Comparison between NU and UW)

[BigRedBuster]

Stop with the QB complaining ! Good God Tommy was a 4 star recruit who set records at a university where Tommy Armstrong ,Eric Crouch, Scott Frost ,Turner Gill, Steve Taylor, etc etc all played and excelled.

He was stuck behind a porous offensive line that would have gotten Tom Brady killed, forced into a system that didn't utilize his considerable talents and even tried to play injured to help this team ! Did he make mistakes ? Yes plenty. But given those factors and playing the hardest position on the field, on the biggest stage, under the greatest scrutiny, only an elite few really succeed anyway.

He played his heart out for this university and deserves nothing but love from us in return. I cant think of a single game he lost completely by himself but i can think of a few he had a major role in winning.

The QB complaining you mention happens to actually be a legitimate issue. Tommy was a 4 star player out of HS. But, that doesn't mean he is automatically a stud. He has failed to be able to be a reliable QB in the passing game. He has a good game here and there. But, in big games, he has struggled against good defenses.

Tommy completed 51% (151/294) 2180 yards and 14 TDs with 8 INTs.

Compare that to Jake Browning who also was a 4 star QB out of HS...but...hey....as an actual passer. He completed 62% (243/391) 3430 yards and 43 TDs with only 9 INTs.

People who down play the difference between these stat lines baffle me. I'm also assuming Browning didn't get hurt this year. This is an issue that played a major part in us losing to Iowa. Just because a guy is a 4* player out of HS and plays the QB position, doesn't mean he automatically should be an elite player in college.

Now, was this the only thing that made Washington better? No...by far no.... But, it's significant. Our O line and defense played a major part in this too.

Now...think about if you were defending Washington, do you think you would need to respect the pass more so you can't pile up the line to defend the run? Do you think that would allow Washington's O line to look better in the run game? If there are fewer guys stacking the line to stop the run, do you think it would also be easier to block them in the passing game?

Browning had 92 more successful passing plays than Armstrong......92.

Now...consider if Riley could have come in with a stable of QBs that actually were good at passing the ball.

And...OBTW.....Peterson was 15-12 after his first 2 years at Washington.

 

[Redux]

the guy had 6 losses in 2015 and 6 losses in 2014 - "he sucks - what a joke"

oh wait he had 1 loss in 2016 - Come to NU

Are we really going to say that he is that good? Let's see what his 3 year record is after MR gets his 3rd year. Because if you compare first 2 years MR looks equal or 1 game better.

Are you talking about Petersen?If so, are you unfamiliar with why he would be desirable?

Are you unfamiliar with the fairly rational assumption that if Petersen had come to Nebraska and had two near .500 seasons in a row, even more of our fanbase would be talking about him the way that some are currently talking about Riley?

1) I doubt he would have had 2 .500ish seasons in a row. He already has Washington ahead of schedule and I think our roster would have transitioned into his scheme a little smoother, IMO.

2) He would have brought a much more impressive resume to the table from an aesthetics perspective. Mostly everyone knows what he was able to do with Boise State. A place hindered with no local recruiting surrounded by power programs that will hold it back by comparison. That's why I wanted him.

I know you don't think he was in play or would have considered us. But I didn't think he would comsider Washington and look how that turned out. I'm betting there were at least conversations to some extent.

 

[BigRedBuster]

1) I doubt he would have had 2 .500ish seasons in a row. He already has Washington ahead of schedule and I think our roster would have transitioned into his scheme a little smoother, IMO.

How so?

 

[Redux]

1) I doubt he would have had 2 .500ish seasons in a row. He already has Washington ahead of schedule and I think our roster would have transitioned into his scheme a little smoother, IMO.

How so?

I could be completetly wrong here, I just feel his style would have transitioned a little better out of the gate than Riley's has. We are still waiting to see Riley's finish transitioning, Washington just made the playoff.

 

[Landlord]

the guy had 6 losses in 2015 and 6 losses in 2014 - "he sucks - what a joke"

oh wait he had 1 loss in 2016 - Come to NU

Are we really going to say that he is that good? Let's see what his 3 year record is after MR gets his 3rd year. Because if you compare first 2 years MR looks equal or 1 game better.

Are you talking about Petersen?If so, are you unfamiliar with why he would be desirable?

Are you unfamiliar with the fairly rational assumption that if Petersen had come to Nebraska and had two near .500 seasons in a row, even more of our fanbase would be talking about him the way that some are currently talking about Riley?

1) I doubt he would have had 2 .500ish seasons in a row. He already has Washington ahead of schedule and I think our roster would have transitioned into his scheme a little smoother, IMO.

2) He would have brought a much more impressive resume to the table from an aesthetics perspective. Mostly everyone knows what he was able to do with Boise State. A place hindered with no local recruiting surrounded by power programs that will hold it back by comparison. That's why I wanted him.

I know you don't think he was in play or would have considered us. But I didn't think he would comsider Washington and look how that turned out. I'm betting there were at least conversations to some extent.

So your argument is firstly based on conjecture and speculation, and then based on your own mistake in thinking he wouldn't have considered Washington. His son had gotten healthy enough that a move wouldn't be terribly difficult, he'd done all he could ever really hope to do at Boise, he had ties to the Seattle area, and he's only ever played or coached a single year anywhere in the country east of the mountain time zone.

He would not have ever come to Nebraska.

 

[Redux]

You're entitled to that opinion.

 

[Elf]

I mean, if you want to go really up top, look at where Clemson is as a program right now. Who would've thought when Dabo Swinney was losing in the Gator Bowl to Bo Pelini? Or when he went 9-5, 6-7, 10-4 in his first three full seasons? (He went 4-3 in 2008 after taking over midseason on a 7-6 team).I'd call us unusually fragile about this, but I'm sure it's every fanbase.

What fanbase has had to put up with this for 2 decades? What fanbase continued to sellout and donate to a school with all the resources and then some, but never saw results? What fanbase saw a .700 coach fired only to hire a .500 coach despite the fact that the money was there to get a big name?

In answer to most of those questions....Alabama?

 

[BigRedBuster]

1) I doubt he would have had 2 .500ish seasons in a row. He already has Washington ahead of schedule and I think our roster would have transitioned into his scheme a little smoother, IMO.

How so?

I could be completetly wrong here, I just feel his style would have transitioned a little better out of the gate than Riley's has. We are still waiting to see Riley's finish transitioning, Washington just made the playoff.

But, that's the part that is confusing me. He just had his best season at Washington with a QB that is a pocket passer and calling 97 more pass plays than Nebraska did. (7 more per game).

My question was, what about his system would have transitioned easier here than in Washington?

 

[zoogs]

But, that's the part that is confusing me. He just had his best season at Washington with a QB that is a pocket passer and calling 97 more pass plays than Nebraska did. (7 more per game).

My question was, what about his system would have transitioned easier here than in Washington?

Nothing. Almost any new coach coming onboard was in for a big transition -- culturally, schematically.

Really, I can see how a respectable Pac12 program like Washington provided a much better blank slate -- especially coinciding with tumult or downturns at some of the other traditional Pac12 powers.

 

[Husker Psycho]

I mean, if you want to go really up top, look at where Clemson is as a program right now. Who would've thought when Dabo Swinney was losing in the Gator Bowl to Bo Pelini? Or when he went 9-5, 6-7, 10-4 in his first three full seasons? (He went 4-3 in 2008 after taking over midseason on a 7-6 team).I'd call us unusually fragile about this, but I'm sure it's every fanbase.

What fanbase has had to put up with this for 2 decades? What fanbase continued to sellout and donate to a school with all the resources and then some, but never saw results? What fanbase saw a .700 coach fired only to hire a .500 coach despite the fact that the money was there to get a big name?

In answer to most of those questions....Alabama?

From 1958 to present Alabama won 11 National Championships. This year would be no 12.

During that period of time... the longest amount of time that ANY Alabama coach who did not win them a national championship was allowed to coach at Alabama... was 4 years.

Dennis Franchione ( .680 winning record ) only served as head coach for 2 years.

Bill Curry ( .722 winning record ) only served as head coach for only 3 years.

Since 1958... Alabama has been relentless at searching for championship coaches. No mamby- pamby excuses from Alabama. Either you produce a national championship for Alabama or your gone.

 

[The Dude]

They managed to get a coach who would never leave Boise to leave Boise.

 

[zoogs]

During that period of time... the longest amount of time that ANY Alabama coach who did not win them a national championship was allowed to coach at Alabama... was 4 years.

Since 1958... Alabama has been relentless at searching for championship coaches. No mamby- pamby excuses from Alabama. Either you produce a national championship for Alabama or your gone.

Since you did the math, I'll just ask you. The second statement does not follow from the first. It implies that every coach who won a championship at Alabama since 1958 did it in their first four seasons. Is that true?

 

[Husker Psycho]

During that period of time... the longest amount of time that ANY Alabama coach who did not win them a national championship was allowed to coach at Alabama... was 4 years.

Since 1958... Alabama has been relentless at searching for championship coaches. No mamby- pamby excuses from Alabama. Either you produce a national championship for Alabama or your gone.

Since you did the math, I'll just ask you. The second statement does not follow from the first. It implies that every coach who won a championship at Alabama since 1958 did it in their first four seasons. Is that true?

Correct

Either you win a national championship for Alabama or you're done.

 

[Landlord]

I mean, if you want to go really up top, look at where Clemson is as a program right now. Who would've thought when Dabo Swinney was losing in the Gator Bowl to Bo Pelini? Or when he went 9-5, 6-7, 10-4 in his first three full seasons? (He went 4-3 in 2008 after taking over midseason on a 7-6 team).I'd call us unusually fragile about this, but I'm sure it's every fanbase.

What fanbase has had to put up with this for 2 decades? What fanbase continued to sellout and donate to a school with all the resources and then some, but never saw results? What fanbase saw a .700 coach fired only to hire a .500 coach despite the fact that the money was there to get a big name?

In answer to most of those questions....Alabama?

From 1958 to present Alabama won 11 National Championships. This year would be no 12.

During that period of time... the longest amount of time that ANY Alabama coach who did not win them a national championship was allowed to coach at Alabama... was 4 years.

Dennis Franchione only served as head coach for 2 years and Bill Curry only served as head coach for only 3 years.

Since 1958... Alabama has been relentless at searching for championship coaches. No mamby- pamby excuses from Alabama. Either you produce a national championship for Alabama or your gone.

Ray Perkins left Alabama for the NFL after 4 seasons - not fired.

Bill Curry left Alabama for Kentucky because he didn't like his new contract - not fired.

Mike Dubose was fired after going 4-7, 7-5, 10-3, and 3-8 in four seasons.

Dennis Franchioni left Alabama after going 7-5 and 10-3, because the Texas A&M job opened up and there were looming impending sanctions coming - not fired.

Mike Shula was fired after going 4-9, 6-6, 10-2 and 6-6.

Please explain to me how Nebraska would have handled these situations differently, other than maybe giving the two coaches that actually got fired one, maybe two more years.

 

[zoogs]

Wow, Paul Bryant! 24 years coaching at 'Bama. Nick Saban: 10 years. In the remaining 25 years in this window they had a 7-year run with another coach who won a title in '92. I guess they had a little bit of a turnstile in the remaining 18 years, which were split on either side of the '90-'96 period.

What a program. When I grew up they were down and I thought of them as nobodies. I guess they really were never down for too long.