How did Washington do it? (Comparison between NU and UW)

[Landlord]

I guess they really were never down for too long.

Except the decade from the mid-90's to the mid-2000's.

 

[Atbone95]

From the recruiting side, let me point out a complete disparity:

Their state produces more talent, but not by much

This is a blatantly false statement - Washington has produced 2 five star athletes and 11 four star athletes in the last 3 years. Of those, Washington signed NINE four-star athletes.

Not only is that a ridiculous talent production, it is a great signing rate. These are kids who, just like in Nebraska, grew up loving UW and wanting to play at UW. In a sales sense, they are easy signs. Minimal effort needed by the coaches. Coaches can pick up NINE of the best athletes in the country and focus on other targets.

For comparison, Nebraska hasn't produced a single four star recruit in the last 3 years. NOT ONE. Don't try to tell people we are the same in relative nearby talent.

 

[Atbone95]

Secondly, on recruitment - If I wanted to do some real math, I could crunch the numbers on average distance from home played and show that Washington is much more appealing in distance from home.

If I'm a player in LA, and I commit to the PAC12, I could do the math on the average distance from my house to each stadium inside the PAC12.

If I'm a player from TX and I commit to Nebraska, I am never, ever playing a game closer to home than Nebraska is unless we get lucky with a well located bowl game.

 

[BaytownHusker]

Stop with the QB complaining ! Good God Tommy was a 4 star recruit who set records at a university where Tommy Armstrong ,Eric Crouch, Scott Frost ,Turner Gill, Steve Taylor, etc etc all played and excelled.

He was stuck behind a porous offensive line that would have gotten Tom Brady killed, forced into a system that didn't utilize his considerable talents and even tried to play injured to help this team ! Did he make mistakes ? Yes plenty. But given those factors and playing the hardest position on the field, on the biggest stage, under the greatest scrutiny, only an elite few really succeed anyway.

He played his heart out for this university and deserves nothing but love from us in return. I cant think of a single game he lost completely by himself but i can think of a few he had a major role in winning.

Im not knocking tommy, But is he a top 15 NFL draft pick? No but Browning is and will be..

 

[Husker Psycho]

I mean, if you want to go really up top, look at where Clemson is as a program right now. Who would've thought when Dabo Swinney was losing in the Gator Bowl to Bo Pelini? Or when he went 9-5, 6-7, 10-4 in his first three full seasons? (He went 4-3 in 2008 after taking over midseason on a 7-6 team).I'd call us unusually fragile about this, but I'm sure it's every fanbase.

What fanbase has had to put up with this for 2 decades? What fanbase continued to sellout and donate to a school with all the resources and then some, but never saw results? What fanbase saw a .700 coach fired only to hire a .500 coach despite the fact that the money was there to get a big name?

In answer to most of those questions....Alabama?

From 1958 to present Alabama won 11 National Championships. This year would be no 12.

During that period of time... the longest amount of time that ANY Alabama coach who did not win them a national championship was allowed to coach at Alabama... was 4 years.

Dennis Franchione only served as head coach for 2 years and Bill Curry only served as head coach for only 3 years.

Since 1958... Alabama has been relentless at searching for championship coaches. No mamby- pamby excuses from Alabama. Either you produce a national championship for Alabama or your gone.

Ray Perkins left Alabama for the NFL after 4 seasons - not fired.

Bill Curry left Alabama for Kentucky because he didn't like his new contract - not fired.

Mike Dubose was fired after going 4-7, 7-5, 10-3, and 3-8 in four seasons.

Dennis Franchioni left Alabama after going 7-5 and 10-3, because the Texas A&M job opened up and there were looming impending sanctions coming - not fired.

Mike Shula was fired after going 4-9, 6-6, 10-2 and 6-6.

Please explain to me how Nebraska would have handled these situations differently, other than maybe giving the two coaches that actually got fired one, maybe two more years.

If you think those coaches were NOT fired... then I have ocean front property to sell you in Nebraska.

Look at the lame excuses you gave for them "leaving". "Didn't like his new contract"... ? Yeah right.

If Alabama had wanted Bill Curry to continue as head coach then they would have "given him a contract he did like". Same with the other coaches that Alabama fired.

Stop being naïve.

 

[BigRedBuster]

I mean, if you want to go really up top, look at where Clemson is as a program right now. Who would've thought when Dabo Swinney was losing in the Gator Bowl to Bo Pelini? Or when he went 9-5, 6-7, 10-4 in his first three full seasons? (He went 4-3 in 2008 after taking over midseason on a 7-6 team).I'd call us unusually fragile about this, but I'm sure it's every fanbase.

What fanbase has had to put up with this for 2 decades? What fanbase continued to sellout and donate to a school with all the resources and then some, but never saw results? What fanbase saw a .700 coach fired only to hire a .500 coach despite the fact that the money was there to get a big name?

In answer to most of those questions....Alabama?

From 1958 to present Alabama won 11 National Championships. This year would be no 12.

During that period of time... the longest amount of time that ANY Alabama coach who did not win them a national championship was allowed to coach at Alabama... was 4 years.

Dennis Franchione only served as head coach for 2 years and Bill Curry only served as head coach for only 3 years.

Since 1958... Alabama has been relentless at searching for championship coaches. No mamby- pamby excuses from Alabama. Either you produce a national championship for Alabama or your gone.

Ray Perkins left Alabama for the NFL after 4 seasons - not fired.

Bill Curry left Alabama for Kentucky because he didn't like his new contract - not fired.

Mike Dubose was fired after going 4-7, 7-5, 10-3, and 3-8 in four seasons.

Dennis Franchioni left Alabama after going 7-5 and 10-3, because the Texas A&M job opened up and there were looming impending sanctions coming - not fired.

Mike Shula was fired after going 4-9, 6-6, 10-2 and 6-6.

Please explain to me how Nebraska would have handled these situations differently, other than maybe giving the two coaches that actually got fired one, maybe two more years.

If you think those coaches were NOT fired... then I have ocean front property to sell you in Nebraska.

Look at the lame excuses you gave for them "leaving". "Didn't like his new contract"... ? Yeah right.

If Alabama had wanted Bill Curry to continue as head coach then they would have "given him a contract he did like". Same with the other coaches that Alabama fired.

Stop being naïve.

Sooo....a coach that left to go to the NFL got fired??

 

[Landlord]

If you think those coaches were NOT fired... then I have ocean front property to sell you in Nebraska.

Look at the lame excuses you gave for them "leaving". "Didn't like his new contract"... ? Yeah right.

If Alabama had wanted Bill Curry to continue as head coach then they would have "given him a contract he did like". Same with the other coaches that Alabama fired.

Stop being naïve.

According to the majority of Bama fans I know online and in person, Curry didn't love the pressure of the Bama job, was going to interview with Kentucky while his stock was rising and was told if he did that he wouldn't be welcomed back. He did anyway, he got the job, and the rest was history.

That's the only excuse I gave. Perkins, who followed in the shadow of Bear Bryant, voluntarily left. Franchioni, who was trending upward, voluntarily left. One not-garbage coach was ~maybe~ forced to resign, but probably not.

This doesn't exactly back up the narrative you're trying to push of Alabama being some uber cutthroat program that Nebraska isn't.

 

[Husker Psycho]

If you think those coaches were NOT fired... then I have ocean front property to sell you in Nebraska.

Look at the lame excuses you gave for them "leaving". "Didn't like his new contract"... ? Yeah right.

If Alabama had wanted Bill Curry to continue as head coach then they would have "given him a contract he did like". Same with the other coaches that Alabama fired.

Stop being naïve.

According to the majority of Bama fans I know online and in person, Curry didn't love the pressure of the Bama job, was going to interview with Kentucky while his stock was rising and was told if he did that he wouldn't be welcomed back. He did anyway, he got the job, and the rest was history.

That's the only excuse I gave. Perkins, who followed in the shadow of Bear Bryant, voluntarily left. Franchioni, who was trending upward, voluntarily left. One not-garbage coach was ~maybe~ forced to resign, but probably not.

This doesn't exactly back up the narrative you're trying to push of Alabama being some uber cutthroat program that Nebraska isn't.

Alabama has won 11 (going on 12) National Championships since 1958.

If a coach wins National Championships for Alabama... then Alabama makes sure you (coaches) stay at Alabama.

If you don't... you're gone. And in short order (4 years or less). Period

Stop being naïve.

 

[BigRedBuster]

If you think those coaches were NOT fired... then I have ocean front property to sell you in Nebraska.

Look at the lame excuses you gave for them "leaving". "Didn't like his new contract"... ? Yeah right.

If Alabama had wanted Bill Curry to continue as head coach then they would have "given him a contract he did like". Same with the other coaches that Alabama fired.

Stop being naïve.

According to the majority of Bama fans I know online and in person, Curry didn't love the pressure of the Bama job, was going to interview with Kentucky while his stock was rising and was told if he did that he wouldn't be welcomed back. He did anyway, he got the job, and the rest was history.

That's the only excuse I gave. Perkins, who followed in the shadow of Bear Bryant, voluntarily left. Franchioni, who was trending upward, voluntarily left. One not-garbage coach was ~maybe~ forced to resign, but probably not.

This doesn't exactly back up the narrative you're trying to push of Alabama being some uber cutthroat program that Nebraska isn't.

If you win National Championships for Alabama... then Alabama makes sure you (coaches) stay at Alabama.

If you don't... you're gone. And in short order (4 years or less). Period

Stop being naïve.

Sooo...is this a case of you have your feelings and he has his facts?

 

[Landlord]

If you win National Championships for Alabama... then Alabama makes sure you (coaches) stay at Alabama.

If you don't... you're gone. And in short order (4 years or less). Period

Stop being naïve.

So what you're saying is...

Sometimes coaches stay somewhere if they're really good.

Sometimes coaches get fired if they're not very good.

Sometimes coaches leave on their own for a variety of reasons.

?

 

[Husker Psycho]

The amazing and really obvious fact about Alabama coaching history... is the absolute "brick wall" of 4 years (or less) for underperforming coaches.

Alabama doesn't mess around. They play hardball.

 

[Nebfanatic]

The amazing and really obvious fact about Alabama coaching history... is the absolute "brick wall" of 4 years (or less) for underperforming coaches.

But you are missing that alot of the coaches left and were not cut loose by Alabama because they were under performing

 

[NUance]

Since 1958... Alabama has been relentless at searching for championship coaches. No mamby- pamby excuses from Alabama. Either you produce a national championship for Alabama or your gone.

True that Bama has had a lot of coaches come and go. But it's not like they've been a perennial powerhouse all that time. In the past twenty years they've had six losing seasons--three of them caused by vacated wins due to cheating. Saban has won them four MNCs. Will probly win another one this year. Aside from Saban's teams, Bama has zero national championships during that 20 year period.

What does all this mean? Well for one, if you take away Saban's achievements, Bama hasn't really been that impressive over the past 20 years. I wonder how Saban would have done at a place like Florida? Or Texas? Or Nebraska?

 

[Husker Psycho]

Since 1958... Alabama has been relentless at searching for championship coaches. No mamby- pamby excuses from Alabama. Either you produce a national championship for Alabama or your gone.

True that Bama has had a lot of coaches come and go. But it's not like they've been a perennial powerhouse all that time. In the past twenty years they've had six losing seasons--three of them caused by vacated wins due to cheating. Saban has won them four MNCs. Will probly win another one this year. Aside from Saban's teams, Bama has zero national championships during that 20 year period.

What does all this mean? Well for one, if you take away Saban's achievements, Bama hasn't really been that impressive over the past 20 years. I wonder how Saban would have done at a place like Florida? Or Texas? Or Nebraska?

?

11 going on 12 National Championships since 1958.

4 going on 5 National Championships since 2007.

I'm certainly not here to heap praise on another football program... but what I don't understand is why, for 20 years, we've refused to learn anything from other successful programs. Tom Osborne learned from other programs (Oklahoma) and put that knowledge to good use.

Our refusal to learn is our biggest problem holding us back.

 

[Landlord]

What, pray tell, should we be specifically learning from Alabama?

Quit being a Psycho.