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ZRod
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It's an honest question.
We'll just skip with the Socratic approach (hey look I can use cool words too!)... There is absolutely zero difference between islamic terrorists and the people that stormed the capitol and killed the officer, planted bombs, called to lynch the VP, called for head on pikes, and were shot and killed by those protecting the government. They are both violent enemies of America who hide behind zealous religious beliefs and tortured political views. I feel nothing for them.
*Edit* I take that back. I feel sorrow for their misguided souls, that they could be so mislead.
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Mierin
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There is actually more of an excuse for someone from a highly religious Muslim majority country with a non-secular government to become radicalized. Many of those countries don't have access to real news. Americans don't have the same excuses. It's harder to become brainwashed when you grow up here in a Democratic country. Although now we're seeing the problem in countries like the U.S. where too much "Information" can also lead to problems. But I agree I can feel sorry for people who have fallen prey to it. I pity my mom's friends/cousins in their 70s who truly think the election was stolen and send group texts saying they are praying Trump remains president. They weren't all this stupid 20+ years ago. I'm sure some were but others have been fully brainwashed and changed by the information fed to them. The ones who broke into the building are a notch above them. I'm sure some were White supremacists all along but I bet others more recently had their brains turned to mush.
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ZRod
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Mierin
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Every inclination I have reading this is to say not get outraged by his view point. But I understand why his take pisses people off. I'm used to hard right takes like this because of where I live, it doesn't trigger me I guess. While it's completely brash and maybe a little too honest given the climate, there are some elements of truth.
The whole sports figure thing is one of my most eye rolling examples of hypocrisy, you get paid billions to play a game not give political takes. Same for actors and actresses, Ricky Gervais said it best.
The D not calling for defunding police is a bit of a stretch. The whole concept gets lost among the people who take it to a more radical level.
They martyr part, that's all on the media. I know, i know media bias is a fallacy or whatever. But regardless of bias, the media does pick and choose who to villify and who to praise. In this case I think it's a lot easier to vilify Babbit based off her seemingly extreme political views and given the current state of things.
Cdog923
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They are. And they receive a much larger platform to share those takes on. Meanwhile a lot of them are total hypocrites. And I'll continue rolling my eyes at them.
Cdog923
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They've earned that platform through their achievements. And yes, there are hypocrites everywhere, which is why it takes a discerning eye to detect tone and meaning, rather than completely dismissing someone's opinions simply because they dribble a basketball.
Redux
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If they sound like they know what they are talking about that's different, but how many of them actually sound like they have an opinion that dives deeper than a melee of s#!t post tweets. And look at actors and musicians tweets, it's even worse. But people take them seriously and share those ideas and it's just ludicrous.
But yes of course they should be allowed to have their voices heard same as you or me.
Mierin
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How is what the basketball players have done hypocritical? Being rich and talking about the plight of Blacks on the whole is not hypocritical. They know they are exceptions. They know they made it but they still see inequity in general. That isn’t hypocrisy. Additionally it isn’t only about money and success it’s about racism, which they still face. It is harder to make it if you’re Black but part of systematic racism is how the police react to you and rich famous Black men are still profiled. Also, there aren’t a lot of Black leaders out of there who can be spokespeople. Even if they had equal representation in politics they would be at a sheer #s disadvantage if they want to be heard. They need spokespeople that others will at least hear about.
But really the part you are talking about isn’t what pissed me off. He’s comparing a woman breaking into the Capitol building getting shot vs. George Floyd’s getting killed over maybe passing $20 counterfeit money, with no heat of the moment excuse.
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Enhance
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I don't really have any issue with athletes or celebrities speaking out on societal issues. I think most of those folks have earned a platform and a right to use it, but I feel like I'm also capable of taking their opinion for what it is. If they're trying to preach to me then that's irritating, but if they have an honest thought on something important... I'm willing to listen.
I tend to think there's a time and place for that stuff, but I don't get that bent out of shape about any of it. Lewis Hamilton wore a Breonna Taylor t-shirt in a post race interview this past F1 season. I know it triggered a lot of people who a) don't like him and/or b) are racist. Is that the right time to wear that shirt? Eh... perhaps, perhaps not. As a fan of F1 I thought it seemed like inopportune timing, but as a fan of Lewis Hamilton, I thought it cool to see him make a statement about something that matters to him.
@Moiraine is spot on about NDJ's comments, though. I was pissed off reading that, but it 100% makes sense coming from him. I'm not surprised to see him posting multiple times in apparent defense of that woman. Yet I don't think I ever saw him raise the same questions here about Floyd, or Taylor, or Jake Blake... any of it. And the fact that he can't see the differences between these situations is all I need to know about him.
I tend to think there's a time and place for that stuff, but I don't get that bent out of shape about any of it. Lewis Hamilton wore a Breonna Taylor t-shirt in a post race interview this past F1 season. I know it triggered a lot of people who a) don't like him and/or b) are racist. Is that the right time to wear that shirt? Eh... perhaps, perhaps not. As a fan of F1 I thought it seemed like inopportune timing, but as a fan of Lewis Hamilton, I thought it cool to see him make a statement about something that matters to him.
@Moiraine is spot on about NDJ's comments, though. I was pissed off reading that, but it 100% makes sense coming from him. I'm not surprised to see him posting multiple times in apparent defense of that woman. Yet I don't think I ever saw him raise the same questions here about Floyd, or Taylor, or Jake Blake... any of it. And the fact that he can't see the differences between these situations is all I need to know about him.
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I never once mentioned race or the plight of blacks, nor did I say standing up for racism was hypocritical. It's odd that people jump to that. Not everything is a racial issue.
George Floyd and Ashley Babbit are two VASTLY different scenarios. The comparison comes because they were both murdered by police enforcement. I've watched both videos, both are vehemently murder. Floyd's murder can be argued as unintentional but it really doesn't matter, the result is the same. The man was killed and it 100% could have been EASILY avoided. His past doesn't matter to me in this instance and had little to do with his execution. Babbit on the other hand was the unfortunate person to first wander into the iron sights of a pistol. Somebody was getting shot regardless, it just happened to be her. She chose to go there, as did many others. If you want to be on the front line of a riot, this is a consequence for some. I made this point to my Conservative friends and got lambasted for it. But she didn't need to die either, it also could have been avoided (mostly by not f#&%ing breaking into the capitol, but I digress).
One sparked Summer long protests and riots nationwide. The other will be labeled a right wing nut job. Neither needed to die. Floyd was targeted, Babbit was victim of her own circumstance.