knapplc
Active member
Please do not get yourself banned. If you're burned out then go away from the board for a while. But leave open the possibility that you could come back.
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Please do not get yourself banned. If you're burned out then go away from the board for a while. But leave open the possibility that you could come back.
JJ Husker
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I’d prefer the correct answer to be @Notre Dame Joe and @Archy1221.
Don’t even care if the perception is that they were run off groundlessly or for their particular political bent. If they’re gone, I’m a happy camper.
knapplc
Active member
I'd be fine if it was just recognized that they're only there to spew trumpian bulls#!t and they're told to stay out of P&R.
If they're truly regular members who just want to join the board, use the rest of the board.
JJ Husker
Donor
JJ Husker
Donor
Well, I already feel better. Guess I've vented enough. I should be okay if I stick to the shed for awhile. I just have all these bad words and names I want to use :lol: Sometimes it is more satisfying to attack the poster in here rather than deal with their BS in the regular forum.
Redux
Donor
You think that hurts my feelings? That the P&R czar said people don't take me seriously?! Oh no! Lmfao.
The claim is fine. You obviously take exception to it so the shoe must fit. People don't give their opinions in P&R because they see your stupid a$$ big dicking every thread trying to cancel anyone who disagrees with your truths. That's the same as running people off. Every time I see you or one of the other rat pack b!^@hing about Archy or NDJ or someone else brave/dumb enough to voice an objection it's instantly met with your brand of deplatforming. You're the one with the data, you tell me. Better yet, tell me in the last year how many posts you've made rallying for someone to be banished.
I support his take on it because he's right. I say that knowing full well he doesn't agree with most of my political takes. But disagreeing like an adult without outrage is something you gave up a long time ago.
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knapplc
Active member
Is this the outrage that made you create Rusty Shackleford? The outrage that keeps you from speaking any kind of truth, you just troll now?
Redux
Donor
Something like that
:lol: you still are clueless :lol:
I'd hope that if Biden won you'd calm your s#!t. Instead you're just going to get worse and worse huh
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Mierin
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Almost none of this is true, and I again wonder how much you actually read in that forum. I'm not saying there aren't examples of what you're saying, but it's so rare in comparison so as to barely be worth making the comparison. No one not a Trumper comes close to the trollish behavior of NDJ or archy. I would say, combined, all other people who post in that forum troll 1/100th as much as they do. (If we keep teach out of the equation).
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Enhance
Administrator
Anything you or I say on the matter about 'how much it happens and from which groups of people' in P&R would be entirely anecdotal. It's usually taken on a case by case basis and is often based on official reports, though not exclusively.
In my experience, and with the benefit of having access to the reports and discussions surrounding those reports, I disagree that nobody comes close to those two you mentioned. We're generally inclined to allow opinions to be shared in P&R so long as they're within the confines of the board guidelines. There's no rule against being a right wing nut job or left wing radicalist on Huskerboard, and trolling is more often than not a subjective interpretation from those involved.
Some of you disagree with the interpretation and application of those guidelines from time to time, and I personally appreciate that feedback and discussion, but it doesn't change the situation from my perspective. Perhaps other mods feel differently and I welcome them to weigh in if necessary. But, these situations have been discussed ad nauseum in the leadership forum in recent years and I think we've done a pretty good job overall of adjudicating those issues with fairness and equity.
Mierin
Donor
It can be anecdotal to you, if you are only going by reports and occasionally browsing. It can't be anecdotal to me. Unless of course you're immediately deleting lots of posts. It could however be subjective.
You are wrong in how often it comes from other people compared to these 2. I'm not arguing about the treatment or banning or whatever, just on that by itself.
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Enhance
Administrator
No offense intended Moiraine, but yes, it is anecdotal. You're basing your opinion off of your perspective and experience. You're not providing facts or research to support your perspective. I do think subjectivity plays a massive role here. I have seen people gloss over objectively trollish behavior but report someone else's "trolling" in the same thread or string of posts. Can I quantify that for you? No. But I've seen it happen on numerous occasions.
That's why we're more inclined to allow people to share opinions. Some of you think they're just trolls. I don't personally believe that's always the case, and I think much of the behavior they're accused of displaying is either a) returned to them in kind or b) sometimes displayed by those accusing them of being trolls. And in those cases, I'm not interested in playing a parent over two children who are teasing one another relentlessly. I'd rather tell them both to knock it off unless there's an objectively clear fault. There sometimes is a clear fault and we handle those situations accordingly.
But, as I mentioned, there's no rule here against being a nut job or radical. I think a lot of people here could do a much better job of listening to one another as opposed to reacting, and there tends to be a lot more of the latter.
knapplc
Active member
You lack objectivity, Enhance, and when questioned you react as if personally attacked. Not two pages ago you're upset about the trump enablers but when specific people complain about those very enablers you revert to this both-sides nonsense. There's no honest debate with you for me or Moiraine at this point. Our objections are tossed into your pile of "they always complain" and that's where it ends.
And yet, you have zero remonstrance for Redux, who you know trolled this board and continues to go off on me not five posts above this.
It's hard to take the words above seriously when I know what you know.
And yet, you have zero remonstrance for Redux, who you know trolled this board and continues to go off on me not five posts above this.
It's hard to take the words above seriously when I know what you know.
Mierin
Donor
You hearing it from me may be anecdotal to you as you only have my testimony to go on, maybe some others' testimony, and some reading yourself. I on the other hand have all of the information that is there. I am not going off of your personal account that I can't verify. I can verify all of the data, and I have researched all of the information at hand. Whether they are trolling or not is not based on hearsay, it is based on whether the person appeared to me to be trolling with what they posted. Subjective is the right word. The way for me to come close to making it not anecdotal for you would be to provide all the times I thought trolling occurred, but then you'd still make an opinion about it. And obviously the list I gave you would have my bias in it. The other way which of course won't happen is that you read every post. (In case that gets interpreted wrong, no I'm not saying you should have to do that).
Another way of putting it is I'm not witnessing one occurrence but missing out on the whole picture. I have the whole picture, but pictures can be interpreted differently depending on who's looking at them.
I'm sure what you're saying in the first paragraph happens. I've seen it myself. But if you think it is returned to them in kind even close to an equal amount of time then you are flat out wrong.
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