HuskerShark

The point is, it's the propaganda machines that keep promoting that false information and people just keep soaking it up. Look, I was once someone who soaked up every tidbit of evil information I could find on those evil Democrats. I was one hell of an angry man thinking that these scum were tearing apart our country and it's just hanging by a thread staying together because of these evil people. Then.....I stopped. I stepped back and looked at the process. I realized that there are people who get paid one hell of a lot of money to keep me angry and hating the other side. It didn't matter if what they were telling me painted an accurate picture of the other side or not. As long as I was angry, they accomplished their job and they made more money and the "right" people gained more power. Once you step back and realize this.....the entire world view changes. I'm still rather conservative fiscally and more middle of the road socially just like I was before. But, I instead of being angry at those evil people on the other side, I am now way more angry at the people who believe it's their job to keep me angry at that other side. If you don't mind me saying this, and I honestly mean no offense, but I think you haven't stepped back as much as you say. Your feelings on Donald Trump aren't a secret, and that's cool with me, but where do you get your information on him? Perhaps the people that are paid a lot of money to help shape the negative views on him? I got my views of him when I tried listening to him at the beginning of the campaign and through the debates. Listening to him alone tells me he is full of BS and has absolutely no clue what he is doing (as far as governing. He's very good at filling us with BS). He panders to whatever crowd is in front of him or who is interviewing him. He changes what he says about a subject constantly and then turns around and tries to blame the media for painting his original quotes wrong. BS....all you have to do is listen to the original quote and you learn he's a jack ass. Just because I try to make every effort to filter out political biases in the information media puts out, doesn't mean I can't have very strong opinions on someone who deserves those strong opinions. I honestly believe he is kind of shaping his views of policy based on the information that he is provided on a daily basis which is why it seems to you like he flip flops. I guess I just don't view it that way. I'd rather have someone who is flexible and is able to change their View based on new information provided rather than have someone who has a firm policy on day one and refuses to change their mind. For example, I totally ignored that he has completely reversed his stance on guns, abortions, and other policies in his lifetime but I don't think it's because of who he is talking to. I think it's because he literally is changing his mind about those things and that's okay. I would hope that someone would be open-minded enough to change their mind over the course of a 20 or 30 year period.

The problem for the Democrats is that many of them will end up voting for Trump. Many Republicans who don't want to vote for Trump will probably go 3rd party with their votes. What basis do you have for making this statement? Not going to look it up right now, but there was a poll of Bernie supporters and 30+% said they'd vote for Trump in the general election. You may be right but it's still way too early to know. I'd group a lot of that 30% with all the #nevertrump people. Come November and their choice is the opposite party it's going to be a fairly easy decision. I think the results in the Democratic primaries are pretty telling. Hillary is obviously going to win, it's out of reach for Sanders, and he keeps winning states. He's won 3 of the last 4, in fact, and the 1 he didn't win, he lost by like .5%. That tells me that a lot of people are (rightfully) unwilling to vote for Hillary. People keep saying that Trump "has no chance" against Hillary. While I have a fair amount of bias, I can honestly say I see Trump winning, and I don't think it will be particularly close. So much of our country is just sick and tired of the same old political garbage in the White House, and this is the movement that's going to change that. And plus, I just honestly don't understand what type of stance it would take to support Hillary Clinton...

The problem for the Democrats is that many of them will end up voting for Trump. Many Republicans who don't want to vote for Trump will probably go 3rd party with their votes. What basis do you have for making this statement? Not going to look it up right now, but there was a poll of Bernie supporters and 30+% said they'd vote for Trump in the general election.

The problem for the Democrats is that many of them will end up voting for Trump. Many Republicans who don't want to vote for Trump will probably go 3rd party with their votes.

To be fair, even if I weren't a fan of Trump... For people wanting to vote for anti-establishment candidates, Trump is the most viable candidate. Sanders is also anti-establishment, but is also a self-proclaimed socialist. Sorry, but socialism is thievery, and his policies would be the final nail in the coffin of what was once the greatest country on the planet. I felt like Sanders' platform, while it appeals strongly to his base, who view it as common sense, would've been somewhat damning in the general. Americans don't want to hear you're going to raise their taxes. Period. Regardless how altruistic the justification. If you can successfully paint the person who wants to raise your taxes as a socialist, I can't imagine that going over well in a general election. Bernie's proposing more tax increases than any candidate in my lifetime. I think that would've been a much more interesting match-up than Clinton vs. Trump, though. I agree. I think Trump will dominate both, personally, but he would have absolutely crushed Bernie.

Don't believe everything you read or hear:

Wrong. I'll (maybe) come back to rub your nose in this incorrect prediction when it's beyond doubt. So....I'm assuming you think Trump is going to beat Hillary. Or....are you banking on her being indicted and have to drop out? I'd guess the first, because I doubt she will be indicted (even though she should).

To be fair, even if I weren't a fan of Trump... For people wanting to vote for anti-establishment candidates, Trump is the most viable candidate. Sanders is also anti-establishment, but is also a self-proclaimed socialist. Sorry, but socialism is thievery, and his policies would be the final nail in the coffin of what was once the greatest country on the planet.

The system you speak of is doing everything in its power to try and throw Trump under the bus, which is yet another reason to really behind him. There are probably a lot shadier things going on in our government than politicians simply saying whatever to get re-elected. We already knew that.

More info on Trump for anyone who's mis-informed about him: http://spectator.org/the-thinking-mans-guide-to-donald-trump/

I'm not too concerned if PC is the correct name for stuff like this but the first part of this sentence piqued my interest. If a policy like this is good and acceptable for the general public, how does it become overreaching and dangerous in our schools? Surely it's either good or bad for all restroom and locker room locations? Please explain why it was good enough for a Target restroom but a dangerous thing in a high school restroom or locker room. Why is there a drinking age? Age of consent? Because drinking is harmful to your body, especially so before you're through puberty. IMO, it should be 19, but that's a different discussion.

HAHA my take-away as well.

I appreciate that.

He's under audit.

From an average person's standpoint, I can see how you think that. Have you ever watched Shark Tank? The Sharks invest in hundreds of companies on there, and not all of them become successful. The Sharks lose all or most of their money on a lot of their deals, but it's a law of averages. One investment that turns out great can make them millions and offset the ones that failed. That's how successful people work. They make quick, educated decisions and exhibit massive action. I will NOT critique Trump for several failed businesses, because that's a poor man's mindset. As far as the bankruptcies, of the 4 bankruptcies that he's filed for, 3 of them were on casinos. Here we go again. He is so amazingly brilliant that the rest of us just can't grasp his greatness. LOL....a great business man that can't run a casino. LOL here we go again.... another attempt to make it sound like succeeding at those enormous enterprises is super easy and something that absolutely anyone can do. It's not.

It should be noted that a trade deficit is actually usuall an indicator of economic growth. When trade deficits shrink, it typically means the economy is slowing down. It's not about winning and losing with trade. It's about balance. He uses specific numbers when talking about deficits with other countries, and it's appalling the amount of money that is flying out of our country. We can't continue to give everything and get nothing. Typically economic growth numbers are numbers put out by the government and politicians to pull the wool over peoples' eyes about what's really going on.

From an average person's standpoint, I can see how you think that. Have you ever watched Shark Tank? The Sharks invest in hundreds of companies on there, and not all of them become successful. The Sharks lose all or most of their money on a lot of their deals, but it's a law of averages. One investment that turns out great can make them millions and offset the ones that failed. That's how successful people work. They make quick, educated decisions and exhibit massive action. I will NOT critique Trump for several failed businesses, because that's a poor man's mindset. As far as the bankruptcies, of the 4 bankruptcies that he's filed for, 3 of them were on casinos.

I kind of wish there could be a real conversation without all the hyperbole. It's obvious that a lot of people who are against Trump only read articles and watch news casts that are completely biased and then just regurgitate the garbage they read or hear. I don't believe he ever wanted to run for president. He was in several interviews throughout the past couple decades and they asked him if he ever would run. His answer pretty much every time was essentially "I wouldn't run unless our country got bad enough that I felt like I had to." I guess I find it hard to follow some peoples' interpretation that he's in it for selfish reasons. Your candidate prevents a real conversation. Did you actually watch any of the debates? I REALLY wish he would actually talk about issues but he very very seldom ever does and when he does, he proves he has absolutely no clue what he is doing. Attacking people is what has worked for him and why he keeps doing it. Why won't his followers demand that he actually talk about issues instead of attack people personally? Or...are we back to the Alpha thing? Like it or not, "the alpha thing" is sales and business. And running the country is essentially being the CEO of the largest business in the world. You have a right to see it how you feel you want to, but I feel like I've done my part in this thread to help talk about Trump in a more subjective manner rather than simply listening to the propaganda that's out there regarding him. I keep hearing "he never talks about specifics" about Trump. First off, what other candidate have you heard actually say what they are going to do? I tried hearing what Cruz was proposing, but he's exactly like Hillary in the fact that they say whatever they feel like they need to say in order to appease the audience they're talking to. I respect Sanders for being an outsider who's going up against the establishment, as well as his integrity, but I truly believe his policies would be the nail in the coffin of America's once-great economy. So to get back on track, I've heard Trump be the MOST consistent AND (admittedly) controversial with the things he says, but most of the time, he's completely right. And I know exactly why he's getting brutalized by public opinion. It's because in our society, we're taught that rich people are evil, and then people turn around and applaud mediocrity. I don't get it personally, but it is what it is right now, and I hope it changes. I'm sorry, I'm 49 years old and have been in the business world ever since I was in college. I run a pretty successful business and have been in business with and around people who are extremely successful business people. For the life of me, I can not remember anyone of them that thought being a total jackass to people was some how becoming an "alpha" over people and that's why they are successful. Are there jackasses? Absolutely...but, they are just jackasses that people have to put up with. In fact, I know some jackasses that would be even more successful if they weren't jackasses.This entire thought process that insulting people is some how some magnificent business tactic is totally preposterous and it's amazing to me that he has somehow convinced this many people of that. As for the bolded red. That right there is the perfect description of Trump. You seem to be a reasonably intelligent person. What I am shocked at is that there are people like you who are intelligent and don't see it. He has flip flopped on just about every issue he has actually discussed. Why???? Because his audience changes or he realizes he's getting killed by something he said so he has to change it to be....."well.....that's not what I really meant....the media is painting it differently". I'm even trying to think of something he has been consistent about other than...."I'm so great". And....finally.....at least for me on the bolded green part.....I have absolutely zero problem with rich people. But, the question I have on your comment is, what person running isn't rich? Seriously....to get to where they are, you have to be rich. So, why would people who have a problem with rich people single him out? Also I would just like to say that of these rich successful people; Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs, Trump, The Clintons, The Bushes, Tiger Woods, Ndamukong Suh, Elon Musk, Bruce Springsteen, Tom Brady, Jerry Jones, the Kardashians, Eminem... get my point. I only dislike one person (Trump because he's a buffoon) and hate one family (because they are artificial morons; aka Kardashians). So no even a "liberal" isn't taught to hate the rich. We just think differently about collective wealth and how that can best serve the country. Bill Gates - essentially stole a bunch of intellectual property from Steve Jobs and Apple that he used at Microsoft. Warren Buffett - made his fortune by investing in a lot of other companies, which is extremely admirable, but it's a completely different business strategy than Trump used to build his fortune. It's very different philosophies. At the same time, I'd bet you that when Buffett negotiates deals, he's anything but a pushover. Jerry Jones - You've got to be kidding me. He's an enormous clown, but you have to give him credit because he's obviously extremely successful. Tom Brady & Ndamukong Suh - Not businessmen. They're still technically employees - just very well compensated. Regardless, they're two of the more disliked players in the NFL because they're super competitive and aggressive. Big time respect to them. Clintons & Bushes - They're politicians. It's their job to be likeable, and they still don't do a very good job of it. Tiger Woods - He's arguably the greatest golfer to ever live, sure, but he's a d*ck. And he cheated on his wife. Steve Jobs - If you know anything about him, you know that he was an extremely brash and aggressive person because he was a perfectionist. At the same time, that's why he was able to build an amazing company. So I guess what I'm getting at is this: If you can overlook all the negative qualities of the rest of these successful people and acknowledge that they are successful because they know how to achieve greatness, why are you quick to criticize Trump? I know he's not perfect, and he opens his mouth without thinking things through too often, but you have to acknowledge that he's a spectacular negotiator and businessman. If he weren't, he wouldn't have achieved what he has today. No I don't. If he would have simply invested the money he inherited in the stock market, he would have had more of it. Also, literally screwed many small contractors in his quest to make money by building buildings and then taking bankruptcy on that property. Contractors got screwed and he made out like a bandit. THAT is not an admirable business man. It's a slime ball. So, he could have made more money doing something else and screwed people. Sorry, he's a pathetic loser. I just wish you would stop trying to promote that he is some genius business man. It's just flat out false. This is a weak bullsh#t argument that I've seen time and time again. There is no way that he could have known that at the time he was loaned the money. He's not some sort of clairvoyant. Can you predeict the stock market? Let me know what it's going to look like in 40 years. Show me a billionaire that hasn't screwed someone over. Sorry you feel that way. Actually, the stock market has been fairly consistent over that long of a period. It's fairly predictable the longer you are in it. And....sorry again....I don't admire someone who basically uses bankruptcy as a business practice. There are lots of very wealthy people who have not done that. But...hey....a genius business man like him would know that. He is so amazingly awesome that anyone anywhere close to his brilliant mind should be able to at least look at a graph. Maybe everyone else isn't an Alpha...... So since you're telling me that you're a business-minded person, I want you to tell me what the alternative to declaring bankruptcy is. And you can't say things like "He needed to take more calculated steps" or something of that sort. Sometimes when you're running businesses (especially when you have multiple like Trump) s#it happens. It's bound to happen when you're moving forward. Example: http://blogs.marketwatch.com/energy-ticker/2014/04/29/warren-buffetts-big-mistake-ends-up-in-bankruptcy-court/ So I want you to tell me: You're in Trump's shoes. You've got tens (maybe hundreds) of millions of dollars tied up in a casino that you own, when the casino industry goes to hell. What other options do you have?

I kind of wish there could be a real conversation without all the hyperbole. It's obvious that a lot of people who are against Trump only read articles and watch news casts that are completely biased and then just regurgitate the garbage they read or hear. I don't believe he ever wanted to run for president. He was in several interviews throughout the past couple decades and they asked him if he ever would run. His answer pretty much every time was essentially "I wouldn't run unless our country got bad enough that I felt like I had to." I guess I find it hard to follow some peoples' interpretation that he's in it for selfish reasons. Your candidate prevents a real conversation. Did you actually watch any of the debates? I REALLY wish he would actually talk about issues but he very very seldom ever does and when he does, he proves he has absolutely no clue what he is doing. Attacking people is what has worked for him and why he keeps doing it. Why won't his followers demand that he actually talk about issues instead of attack people personally? Or...are we back to the Alpha thing? Like it or not, "the alpha thing" is sales and business. And running the country is essentially being the CEO of the largest business in the world. You have a right to see it how you feel you want to, but I feel like I've done my part in this thread to help talk about Trump in a more subjective manner rather than simply listening to the propaganda that's out there regarding him. I keep hearing "he never talks about specifics" about Trump. First off, what other candidate have you heard actually say what they are going to do? I tried hearing what Cruz was proposing, but he's exactly like Hillary in the fact that they say whatever they feel like they need to say in order to appease the audience they're talking to. I respect Sanders for being an outsider who's going up against the establishment, as well as his integrity, but I truly believe his policies would be the nail in the coffin of America's once-great economy. So to get back on track, I've heard Trump be the MOST consistent AND (admittedly) controversial with the things he says, but most of the time, he's completely right. And I know exactly why he's getting brutalized by public opinion. It's because in our society, we're taught that rich people are evil, and then people turn around and applaud mediocrity. I don't get it personally, but it is what it is right now, and I hope it changes. I'm sorry, I'm 49 years old and have been in the business world ever since I was in college. I run a pretty successful business and have been in business with and around people who are extremely successful business people. For the life of me, I can not remember anyone of them that thought being a total jackass to people was some how becoming an "alpha" over people and that's why they are successful. Are there jackasses? Absolutely...but, they are just jackasses that people have to put up with. In fact, I know some jackasses that would be even more successful if they weren't jackasses.This entire thought process that insulting people is some how some magnificent business tactic is totally preposterous and it's amazing to me that he has somehow convinced this many people of that. As for the bolded red. That right there is the perfect description of Trump. You seem to be a reasonably intelligent person. What I am shocked at is that there are people like you who are intelligent and don't see it. He has flip flopped on just about every issue he has actually discussed. Why???? Because his audience changes or he realizes he's getting killed by something he said so he has to change it to be....."well.....that's not what I really meant....the media is painting it differently". I'm even trying to think of something he has been consistent about other than...."I'm so great". And....finally.....at least for me on the bolded green part.....I have absolutely zero problem with rich people. But, the question I have on your comment is, what person running isn't rich? Seriously....to get to where they are, you have to be rich. So, why would people who have a problem with rich people single him out? Also I would just like to say that of these rich successful people; Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs, Trump, The Clintons, The Bushes, Tiger Woods, Ndamukong Suh, Elon Musk, Bruce Springsteen, Tom Brady, Jerry Jones, the Kardashians, Eminem... get my point. I only dislike one person (Trump because he's a buffoon) and hate one family (because they are artificial morons; aka Kardashians). So no even a "liberal" isn't taught to hate the rich. We just think differently about collective wealth and how that can best serve the country. Bill Gates - essentially stole a bunch of intellectual property from Steve Jobs and Apple that he used at Microsoft. Warren Buffett - made his fortune by investing in a lot of other companies, which is extremely admirable, but it's a completely different business strategy than Trump used to build his fortune. It's very different philosophies. At the same time, I'd bet you that when Buffett negotiates deals, he's anything but a pushover. Jerry Jones - You've got to be kidding me. He's an enormous clown, but you have to give him credit because he's obviously extremely successful. Tom Brady & Ndamukong Suh - Not businessmen. They're still technically employees - just very well compensated. Regardless, they're two of the more disliked players in the NFL because they're super competitive and aggressive. Big time respect to them. Clintons & Bushes - They're politicians. It's their job to be likeable, and they still don't do a very good job of it. Tiger Woods - He's arguably the greatest golfer to ever live, sure, but he's a d*ck. And he cheated on his wife. Steve Jobs - If you know anything about him, you know that he was an extremely brash and aggressive person because he was a perfectionist. At the same time, that's why he was able to build an amazing company. So I guess what I'm getting at is this: If you can overlook all the negative qualities of the rest of these successful people and acknowledge that they are successful because they know how to achieve greatness, why are you quick to criticize Trump? I know he's not perfect, and he opens his mouth without thinking things through too often, but you have to acknowledge that he's a spectacular negotiator and businessman. If he weren't, he wouldn't have achieved what he has today. No I don't. If he would have simply invested the money he inherited in the stock market, he would have had more of it. Also, literally screwed many small contractors in his quest to make money by building buildings and then taking bankruptcy on that property. Contractors got screwed and he made out like a bandit. THAT is not an admirable business man. It's a slime ball. So, he could have made more money doing something else and screwed people. Sorry, he's a pathetic loser. I just wish you would stop trying to promote that he is some genius business man. It's just flat out false. This is a weak bullsh#t argument that I've seen time and time again. There is no way that he could have known that at the time he was loaned the money. He's not some sort of clairvoyant. Show me a billionaire that hasn't screwed someone over. I was about to comment on that, but you beat me to it. Thanks.

For anyone who claims that Trump doesn't give "specifics" and wants to know what the platform of his campaign is, here you go: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/ The only position I may not be totally on board with might be the healthcare position, but that's just because I'm not sure what the right answer is there. All I know is that Obamacare needs to go away. He mentions several times in his positions that when negotiating with other countries, whether on trade, immigration, the wall, or money transfers (to Mexico) the country with the least to lose has the leverage. That is us right now, because we're getting absolutely slaughtered on trade with other countries. Electing Hillary will just be another 4-8 years of the same old thing, and I think people like me are tired of seeing our country continue on this downward slope that we've been on for the past couple decades. It will be worth your time to read.

I kind of wish there could be a real conversation without all the hyperbole. It's obvious that a lot of people who are against Trump only read articles and watch news casts that are completely biased and then just regurgitate the garbage they read or hear. I don't believe he ever wanted to run for president. He was in several interviews throughout the past couple decades and they asked him if he ever would run. His answer pretty much every time was essentially "I wouldn't run unless our country got bad enough that I felt like I had to." I guess I find it hard to follow some peoples' interpretation that he's in it for selfish reasons. Your candidate prevents a real conversation. Did you actually watch any of the debates? I REALLY wish he would actually talk about issues but he very very seldom ever does and when he does, he proves he has absolutely no clue what he is doing. Attacking people is what has worked for him and why he keeps doing it. Why won't his followers demand that he actually talk about issues instead of attack people personally? Or...are we back to the Alpha thing? Like it or not, "the alpha thing" is sales and business. And running the country is essentially being the CEO of the largest business in the world. You have a right to see it how you feel you want to, but I feel like I've done my part in this thread to help talk about Trump in a more subjective manner rather than simply listening to the propaganda that's out there regarding him. I keep hearing "he never talks about specifics" about Trump. First off, what other candidate have you heard actually say what they are going to do? I tried hearing what Cruz was proposing, but he's exactly like Hillary in the fact that they say whatever they feel like they need to say in order to appease the audience they're talking to. I respect Sanders for being an outsider who's going up against the establishment, as well as his integrity, but I truly believe his policies would be the nail in the coffin of America's once-great economy. So to get back on track, I've heard Trump be the MOST consistent AND (admittedly) controversial with the things he says, but most of the time, he's completely right. And I know exactly why he's getting brutalized by public opinion. It's because in our society, we're taught that rich people are evil, and then people turn around and applaud mediocrity. I don't get it personally, but it is what it is right now, and I hope it changes. I'm sorry, I'm 49 years old and have been in the business world ever since I was in college. I run a pretty successful business and have been in business with and around people who are extremely successful business people. For the life of me, I can not remember anyone of them that thought being a total jackass to people was some how becoming an "alpha" over people and that's why they are successful. Are there jackasses? Absolutely...but, they are just jackasses that people have to put up with. In fact, I know some jackasses that would be even more successful if they weren't jackasses.This entire thought process that insulting people is some how some magnificent business tactic is totally preposterous and it's amazing to me that he has somehow convinced this many people of that. As for the bolded red. That right there is the perfect description of Trump. You seem to be a reasonably intelligent person. What I am shocked at is that there are people like you who are intelligent and don't see it. He has flip flopped on just about every issue he has actually discussed. Why???? Because his audience changes or he realizes he's getting killed by something he said so he has to change it to be....."well.....that's not what I really meant....the media is painting it differently". I'm even trying to think of something he has been consistent about other than...."I'm so great". And....finally.....at least for me on the bolded green part.....I have absolutely zero problem with rich people. But, the question I have on your comment is, what person running isn't rich? Seriously....to get to where they are, you have to be rich. So, why would people who have a problem with rich people single him out? Also I would just like to say that of these rich successful people; Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs, Trump, The Clintons, The Bushes, Tiger Woods, Ndamukong Suh, Elon Musk, Bruce Springsteen, Tom Brady, Jerry Jones, the Kardashians, Eminem... get my point. I only dislike one person (Trump because he's a buffoon) and hate one family (because they are artificial morons; aka Kardashians). So no even a "liberal" isn't taught to hate the rich. We just think differently about collective wealth and how that can best serve the country. Bill Gates - essentially stole a bunch of intellectual property from Steve Jobs and Apple that he used at Microsoft. Warren Buffett - made his fortune by investing in a lot of other companies, which is extremely admirable, but it's a completely different business strategy than Trump used to build his fortune. It's very different philosophies. At the same time, I'd bet you that when Buffett negotiates deals, he's anything but a pushover. Jerry Jones - You've got to be kidding me. He's an enormous clown, but you have to give him credit because he's obviously extremely successful. Tom Brady & Ndamukong Suh - Not businessmen. They're still technically employees - just very well compensated. Regardless, they're two of the more disliked players in the NFL because they're super competitive and aggressive. Big time respect to them. Clintons & Bushes - They're politicians. It's their job to be likeable, and they still don't do a very good job of it. Tiger Woods - He's arguably the greatest golfer to ever live, sure, but he's a d*ck. And he cheated on his wife. Steve Jobs - If you know anything about him, you know that he was an extremely brash and aggressive person because he was a perfectionist. At the same time, that's why he was able to build an amazing company. So I guess what I'm getting at is this: If you can overlook all the negative qualities of the rest of these successful people and acknowledge that they are successful because they know how to achieve greatness, why are you quick to criticize Trump? I know he's not perfect, and he opens his mouth without thinking things through too often, but you have to acknowledge that he's a spectacular negotiator and businessman. If he weren't, he wouldn't have achieved what he has today.

I kind of wish there could be a real conversation without all the hyperbole. It's obvious that a lot of people who are against Trump only read articles and watch news casts that are completely biased and then just regurgitate the garbage they read or hear. I don't believe he ever wanted to run for president. He was in several interviews throughout the past couple decades and they asked him if he ever would run. His answer pretty much every time was essentially "I wouldn't run unless our country got bad enough that I felt like I had to." I guess I find it hard to follow some peoples' interpretation that he's in it for selfish reasons. Your candidate prevents a real conversation. Did you actually watch any of the debates? I REALLY wish he would actually talk about issues but he very very seldom ever does and when he does, he proves he has absolutely no clue what he is doing. Attacking people is what has worked for him and why he keeps doing it. Why won't his followers demand that he actually talk about issues instead of attack people personally? Or...are we back to the Alpha thing? Like it or not, "the alpha thing" is sales and business. And running the country is essentially being the CEO of the largest business in the world. You have a right to see it how you feel you want to, but I feel like I've done my part in this thread to help talk about Trump in a more subjective manner rather than simply listening to the propaganda that's out there regarding him. I keep hearing "he never talks about specifics" about Trump. First off, what other candidate have you heard actually say what they are going to do? I tried hearing what Cruz was proposing, but he's exactly like Hillary in the fact that they say whatever they feel like they need to say in order to appease the audience they're talking to. I respect Sanders for being an outsider who's going up against the establishment, as well as his integrity, but I truly believe his policies would be the nail in the coffin of America's once-great economy. So to get back on track, I've heard Trump be the MOST consistent AND (admittedly) controversial with the things he says, but most of the time, he's completely right. And I know exactly why he's getting brutalized by public opinion. It's because in our society, we're taught that rich people are evil, and then people turn around and applaud mediocrity. I don't get it personally, but it is what it is right now, and I hope it changes. I kind of wish there could be a real conversation without all the hyperbole. It's obvious that a lot of people who are against Trump only read articles and watch news casts that are completely biased and then just regurgitate the garbage they read or hear. I don't believe he ever wanted to run for president. He was in several interviews throughout the past couple decades and they asked him if he ever would run. His answer pretty much every time was essentially "I wouldn't run unless our country got bad enough that I felt like I had to." I guess I find it hard to follow some peoples' interpretation that he's in it for selfish reasons. I'm mostly funnin' with you, but you know that. I agree: I don't think Trump ever really intended to run for president. To this day I cannot for the life of me figure out why he would want the job, other than some ego thing. He's got more money than he knows what to do with, he's a household name and reasonably well-liked (outside the political sphere, before all the quotes he's dropped in the last year), and he's doing nothing but alienating the very party he needs to actually get anything done in office. It doesn't seem like a real presidential run, and hasn't right up to the point where he secured enough delegates for an uncontested convention. Mostly I think he did this as a lark, much like his past "presidential runs," and he just let it fly from the hip. That struck a chord with enough people - and the Republican party is in such disarray - that he's done gone and won the thing. I'm concerned that, were he to win the presidency, he'd do very little governing and do a lot more kvetching than he is now. I'm afraid that two years into a Trump presidency we'll look back at the Obama presidency as "that time when congress actually got along with the White House." I think both Trump and America stand to lose badly if he gets the nomination. He'll be the first president since Nixon ousted from office before his term ends. Thanks for the response. I'll disagree that he's doing it to stroke his ego. I think he is a legitimately caring individual who has a very strange and brash way of showing it. That will probably make some people laugh, but that's what I see as the motive for his run as president. If it were for personal reasons, he wouldn't be using all of his own personal and company money to fund his campaign. Just recently he talked about the decision he was going to have to make to either sell one of his buildings or take some money from Super PACs. That tells me a lot about his motive. I'll potentially agree with you on the part about Congress and Trump butting heads. It's absolutely going to happen, because the magnitude of departmental cuts that will happen in a Trump presidency will be glorious (IMO). In general, people want to avoid change at all costs, and I understand that, because that's primal instinct in our brains. But the difference in my opinion is that I believe that after the smoke clears after all that happens, people will settle in to the changes and we will be better off. Will our foreign relations be warm and fuzzy? Absolutely not, but trade with foreign countries is a negotiation that we've been getting absolutely obliterated on for decades now, and it needs fixed.

I kind of wish there could be a real conversation without all the hyperbole. It's obvious that a lot of people who are against Trump only read articles and watch news casts that are completely biased and then just regurgitate the garbage they read or hear. I don't believe he ever wanted to run for president. He was in several interviews throughout the past couple decades and they asked him if he ever would run. His answer pretty much every time was essentially "I wouldn't run unless our country got bad enough that I felt like I had to." I guess I find it hard to follow some peoples' interpretation that he's in it for selfish reasons.

If only everyone actually used that practice. Soooooo....... You think people shouldn't be quick to attack people on a personal level who make mistakes or whose lives aren't perfect because their lives probably aren't perfect or they have also made the same type of mistakes. ........but...........you fully support your candidate doing that. Interesting. If you read his book (The Art of The Deal) you'd understand why he does those things. He establishes himself as the alpha in order to sell himself as the strongest candidate, which is why he's a great negotiator. A really great book that explains this method of positioning yourself as the alpha in a position is "Pitch Anything" by Oren Klaff. It's all about sales and negotiation on a daily basis, which is what it takes to be an effective business-man (big business at least). Like it or not, people can take as many swipes at him as they want, but there are lots of reasons why he has achieved the level of success that he has in his life. Inheritance and bankruptcy aren't high on that list. I just threw up a little. Sooooo....... You think people shouldn't be quick to attack people on a personal level who make mistakes or whose lives aren't perfect because their lives probably aren't perfect or they have also made the same type of mistakes. Buuuttt........you fully support your candidate doing that because he has established superiority over you and you must follow him to establish your own sense of worthiness? Am I on the right track????? Interesting.....(Dang...I can't help using that word) I don't think you took my comment about "if only everyone actually used that practice" the way I intended it. That comment was meant to be facetious about how people in this thread put silly expectations on Presidential candidates that they couldn't live up to themselves.

If only everyone actually used that practice. Soooooo....... You think people shouldn't be quick to attack people on a personal level who make mistakes or whose lives aren't perfect because their lives probably aren't perfect or they have also made the same type of mistakes. ........but...........you fully support your candidate doing that. Interesting. If you read his book (The Art of The Deal) you'd understand why he does those things. He establishes himself as the alpha in order to sell himself as the strongest candidate, which is why he's a great negotiator. A really great book that explains this method of positioning yourself as the alpha in a position is "Pitch Anything" by Oren Klaff. It's all about sales and negotiation on a daily basis, which is what it takes to be an effective business-man (big business at least). Like it or not, people can take as many swipes at him as they want, but there are lots of reasons why he has achieved the level of success that he has in his life. Inheritance and bankruptcy aren't high on that list.