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24 minutes ago, lo country said:

Out of CC’s RB’S, 1 had almost 1000 yards and 2 went north of 500.  QB threw for roughly 2500.  The other QB had over 400 IIRC.  Pretty balanced offense.  Good red zone scoring. 

Any stats on performance against top 25 and/or power 5 teams?

2 hours ago, Huskinator said:I’m not a frost supporter but I’m an optimistic husker fan.   I am not saying he’s the answer or that he’s not the answer.  

My hope….

 

He does what everyone here and everywhere is saying he should do.  Hire a solid offensive coordinator and find an identity.   A blind man can see we have improved over the past 7 years…..  we are faster, competitive and capable of winning every game.  We are literally in EVERY game.  We aren’t blown out and embarrassed by people like we were under Bo.   
 

Is the record there?!??  GOD NO!!!  Do they pass the eye test?!?! Absolutely.  
 

You can’t argue he’s doing some things right!!!  Hire the right guy to assist him and make him better and find an identity!!!  I don’t think we’re as awful as so many in here portray we are.   
 

ridicule me all you want…. But you will also look like a bitter loser who just wants to bring others down to your misery. 

After these last two games, my concern for frost is that he’s not a good enough leader to not get in the way of whoever he hires, especially if they are actually decent in their roles. I just don’t think he is savvy or humble enough to truly step back and allow other coaches to shine where he is weak, especially on game day. 

3 hours ago, The Dude said:

With the portal transfer there should be no reason we can't go get the 1 or 2 pieces Frost has been talking about all season.  That leaves precisely zero excuses for next season.

What makes us so confident that those players want to come here?

The book is out on beating Scott frost coached teams:

- they are going to get some yards. Don’t worry about that. Frost is a play design genius, but that’s it. when they need to score to tie they’ll shoot themselves in the foot. Take advantage. 
- you can count on their defense leaking at some point in the game for long scores. Take advantage. 
- they don’t really care about special teams. I mean, they say they do, but actions indicate they don’t. You could gain close to 200 hidden yards on them, maybe a score. 
- whatever your offense is, just don’t commit penalties. They alway sellout to stop one aspect of your offense. They will allow you to freely do what you don’t usually do. You could even set some records if you find out what they are allowing. 
- unless you are down by 4 scores with 2 mins left, you still have a great chance to win. 

I stopped watching after the safety so I could save myself. 

almost seems like vegas is testing husker fans in preparation for next year. i'm predicting an iowa blowout.

52 minutes ago, ndobney said:

I can't believe they burned Smothers red shirt when they could have just taking a couple knees at the end of the first half today. While I understand that you weren't intending on trying to red shirt him you don't throw it away carelessly like that. You don't know what position we might be in 3 years from now that was a ridiculous way to burn a red shirt.

I honestly supported Frost until that moment. We have made a lot of bone headed mistakes to lose games since Frost took over. After that bone headed move I now know with exactly why and where it's coming from.

Haha is that all it took to lose your support?

43 minutes ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

Oh so based on nothing. Got it.

ah. so you weren't actually looking for a response. i suppose i should have known better than to reply to your question. any other dismissive replies from your rollodex you wanna send me before i put you on ignore? 

17 hours ago, ActualCornHusker said:

 

Based on what?

Based on many things. There’s definitely questions about exactly what value Matt Davison would bring to that search process. 
but really, it shows a fundamental level of unseriousness if, as a head coach in Frosts position, you delegate maybe the most important determining factor of your on field success to someone significantly less qualified than you. 

2 hours ago, Red Five said:

Scott the CEO already delegating

 

 

The more this goes on, the worse it gets for Nebraska Football. My opinion, matt Davison should have left with all the other offensive staff. 

2 hours ago, tmfr15 said:

Listening to a lot of people in the media saying that Nebraska made the right choice with Frost because the team is so competitive and close. Then I watch games and specifically the “good” teams that we competed close against. They look pretty average to me. And then I look at the bad losses we’ve had. If you are going to look at the good losses them you have to look at the bad ones. It all adds up to me being pretty skeptical. And that’s without considering the bad coaching in the losses, the lack of player development and some post retention statements by Frost and then just end of with a deep feeling of disappointment. 

If you want to know how it’s going to go next year, all you have to do is look at frosts press conference on Wednesday. People looking for a reason to gloat that frost wasn’t fired will use that, but I expect the dysfunction on offense to get worse next year. 
 

delusion and hubris are a terrible combination. 

47 minutes ago, FrantzHardySwag said:

The f#&%?

No oNe WaNTs tO WIn mOrE tHaN ScOTt !!!1111

12 minutes ago, krc1995 said:

The plan is to make him a CEO and relieve  him from any of the daily football details. 

if the very issue he was having was that he was poor at being a CEO, making him focus on being the CEO without a plan to have him fix his issues may not work out well.

7 hours ago, TGHusker said:

I wanted a new coach ... after the Minne game and even more so after Purdee game and his post game presser.  However, If the boosters don't want to pony up to pay the $20m buyout then Trev's hands were tied and he got the best deal possible.  

 

If Frost fails and we have to go through 1 more year of purgatory caused by the sin of firing Frank,  I think we will be in a better position to land a good coach  as there are a lot of high profile openings already out there with more to come.  NU may have been down the list on the pecking order.  Got to hope forcing Frost's hand to deliver will make this a successful turnaround.  It is all hope at this point and no koolaid  It will start with who he picks as OC and assistant coaches to show if that hope is based on sand or rock.  

The main issue I have with how things have gone down is, what is the plan for fixing/correcting Frosts personal deficiencies? No matter who he brings in on offense, he still needs to get better at focus, motivating players, attention to detail, clock management, decision making, and player/roster management.
 

basically, we have a plan to hopefully fix special teams, the oline, rbs, Wrs, and playcalling. Where’s the plan to help frost get better?

54 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

Damn, someone said with the new contract Frost basically placed a $8.5 million bet on himself. Crazy. 

At $1.33 million per win in 4 years, he’s currently playing with house money. Not much of a bet if you ask me. 

11 hours ago, Huskinator said:

Wasn’t it last year that everyone wanted him gone?!?!  Now he’s the second coming????  Fickle bunch. 

Show me a quote where I said that. Let’s not act silly here. 

16 minutes ago, lo country said:

Then back to the real question.  Why would we keep him?

One can only hope Trev Alberts can put the sentimentality aside and be pragmatic.

The true solution to this to keep everyone happy, in my opinion, is to bring another head coach with playoff or major bowl experience, demote frost to either assistant hc or analyst to understudy the new coach, while keeping the defence and Sean beckton intact in order not to lose some of that momentum.

next best thing to to just clean house. you're losing most of your difference makers on defense, and your underutilized offensive talent will likely look to transfer anyway. plus recruiting and development is trash under frost.

1 hour ago, lo country said:

There was the rumor somewhere on this board that big $ donor said Frost is staying and $20 million buy out is too much, but he will have to change out some staff. If Frost is retained, he is here for at least 2 years regardless of record.....

 

Next season will be at least a new staff or 4....I am in the camp to get rid of them except Beckton.  Bring in a new OC and Frost gets the "CEO tag" and quits trying to be OC.  I don't think that will happen though.  So we go 4-8/5-7 next year.  (My way too early season pick em).  It will be blamed on new staff/scheme/technique etc.....Throw in the 80th ranked recruit class that I feel will be higher (worse) in 2023 if we continue to lose and that plays into it as well.  Giving him one more year doesn't save a lot of many.  Giving him two will.......So then as @Hedley Lamarr pointed out, he goes 6-6/7-5 in year 2 (he will get a timeline reset as he is the chosen one) do you now fire a continually under performing coach with a now "winning record".......

the only issue with this is that Frost just doesn't have what it takes to be CEO.

8 hours ago, funhusker said:

The more I think about it, the more I believe it is more likely that Chinander leaves and Austin stays if Frost is given another year.

 

I can see Chin wanting to "cash in" and avoid a possibly sinking ship.  And I see a very proud Frost sticking to his "we are this close" narrative.

 

If Chin leaves for a DC position somewhere else, buckle up for a frustrating 2022!

Chinander is going to go somewhere and help someone win a conference championship. maybe even in the B1G.

9 hours ago, ndobney said:

You are letting your emotions cloud your judgement and your not able to step back and see the big picture. Overall we are clos; offense is a mess but there is talent there and we are averaging 30 ppg and I'm not even sure our LT has landed a block this season, Adrian Martinez makes some of the worst mistakes imaginable when he gets nervous that's not Frost fault and the kickers are missing fgs left and right. Its actually a mini miracle that we have averaged 30 ppg. Our defense is allowing 20 ppg. 

All of what you wrote here is an indictment of frost. 
there’s talent capable of truly challenging for the west. But he doesn’t know how to maximize it. 
 

Frost is a genius play designer and analyst, but he’s not a good head coach. That’s the reality. Not everyone is built for the ruthlessness and attention to detail being a head coach requires. 

14 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

 

 

So Martinez has surgery and ends his season.

 

And we roll with Smothers.

 

At that point, you're happy? I feel like the anger would just shift to Smothers for losses, and people would start demanding we play Haarberg.

Actually frost would probably have had a better argument for coming back if they went that route. 
 

let’s not let our disdain for anti frost commentary destroy our ability to think critically. 

Game will be over by halftime with a number of husker players freewheeling to put stuff on tape for the NFL and the transfer portal.

there's no way all of the defense can remain dialed in after the last 3 weeks.

3 minutes ago, Born N Bled Red said:

 

I love all the Mel Tucker talk. He is SUCH a good coach it took the worst possible mistake a punter could have possibly made late in the 4th quarter to stop what you consider to be the worst husker team in decades from not only upsetting them, but doing it in fairly dominant fashion.

this is not the own you think it is. you've gotta stop with the self owns man...

Mel tucker is no Tom Osborne. but guess what? how bad does scott frost have to be to be unable to recognize and adjust to two punt returners on the field in a critical game winning, program-defining moment? 

10 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

Yes, it's confusing.

 

Martinez's amazing broken pass play scramble for the 75 yard TD against Illinois completely skewed the rushing stats in that game. If you took away that play then we would have been at 85 yards rushing on the day and 2.23 yards per carry. It was 160 yards on the day and 4.10 yards per carry with that play.

 

Then against Minnesota & Purdue, we were at 4.38 and 4.48 YPC respectively, but we ran it fewer times and also at a lower ratio of run/pass plays.

 

So my conclusion there is that Frost & his offensive staff have failed in the second half of the season offensively. As Johnson & Yant started turning it up and getting into a groove, the coaches intentionally chose to use them less. For me that's a "WTF" kind of thing.

 

Martinez is the easy scapegoat, but in my opinion Frost & the offensive staff absolutely deserve the lion's share of the blame.

and this is part of why simply gutting the offensive staff is not going to be the solution to this. it starts at the very top.

9 minutes ago, admo said:

I hear ya, I get what you are asking.  But these are just questions.  How about providing resolutions?

 

Having a plan B would be nice.

 

For the kicking game (if kickers suck)

For ST coverage and punt returns (if it fails)

For a backup QB (when the starter is hurt or turning the ball over costly)

For an outside running game (when your backs just run into the center)

For a 4 minute dirll?  Sideline passes, conserve timeouts, manage the clock)

For a 2 minute drill? Sideline passes, pick routes, quick throws and don't hold onto the ball

For 3rd and 1, or 4th and 1?  Lineup under center, Vokolek FB to push the QB sneak forward

For red zone efficiency?  Run the ball forward, 4 tries for 10 yards over and over

For playing ahead?  Manage the clock, keep the ball out of the opponents possession, and run the ball outside (not just option with a wr, and not just running inside).... and wildcat with AM for a few yards... plus 5 yard sideline out patterns, quick pick pass plays

 

I'm just saying, what so many say is the obvious.  How about finding a solution, a root cause, a resolution, a plan A, plan B, plan C?

Oh we have a resolution alright. It involves getting a new head coach at a minimum. 
 

all the issues that plague the team are directly under his purview. Play calling, player and roster management, motivation, focus, attention to details, discipline, game day management, clock management and recruiting. 
 

him saying “A team shouldn't need me to be motivate them all the time. That's my job. That's what I do, but a great team doesn't need a coach to motivate them all the time.”

Tells me all I need to know. He knows he should be doing that in order to help the team increase its chances of winning, but just has no desire or excitement to do so. at least he clearly doesn’t do it with everything he has for Saturdays seeing how they come out flat all the time.