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2008? Why not 2005. I believe you guys returned the favor to CU and killed their program. The funk they were put in after Gary Barnett was a lot nastier then anything Nebraska had to go through The shock of losing to that Nebraska team did no go well with the Boulder faithful.

In the world outside of Nebraska a degree from UNL does not open doors So a high school student who comes from a middle class to lower class background in your state is not given the tools he or she needs to truthfully find success in this country Every other BiG state has provided this opportunity for their residence A degree from UM, UW, IU and Minnesota can change someone's life With a degree from either university doors will open in cities like NY, Chicago and LA Texas also provides this same opportunity to their residence

University of Chicago was already a member of this conference They left before I was born because they did nor want to fund an athletic program. If this wasn't the case then they would still be apart of this conference. University of Iowa is an amazing institution for the size of their state. The Iowa's writers workshop is known around the world. Nebraska fans views everything through the lens of their football program The university itself does not and your university has tremendous respect for Iowa and Iowa is a school that Nebraska strives to become Maryland and Rutgers made sense both academically and network wise same as Texas I have mentioned before on here that this is COLLEGE football Because of this academics takes a priority over football If you look at the money earned by Michigan you will see why Research brings in way more money than football Football is just a way for us to prove how strong our university is regarding academics

I am glad you feel that you are welcomed into the BIG I do not see why you shouldn't. The BIG may have their culture maybe not as extreme as say the SEC but nevertheless the conference has its values. Hard work is one that Nebraska exemplifies the most. Especially considering a lot of your state is on the western side of what is known as the dry line. I am trying very hard to understand the difference between Oklahoma and Texas. Why I have not seen anyone say Oklahoma wil not fit in as well. From my personal experiences Oklahoma is very much like Texas. Both are very much farm states that relied on oil and gas for most of their history. Texas has been able to diversify in the past 20 years though and is it great shape to grow financially and population wise. This may not be known but what they refer to as the Texas triangle is becoming the 4th megalopolis in the United States. If the BIG can move in there then the conference can control almost half of the US population wise. I would hate to see the ACC or PAC 12 move into Texas. This has a lot to do with academics. As much money that college athletics produces for a university times that by 50 and you have the money generated by research I want Nebraska to become another University of Iowa. I believe that your university has the capabilities to do so. For this to happen we need more money for research Finally and most important I have not seen reasons to tell Texas no. Nothing against Nebraska or their fans but sometimes you must find your place in the general scheme of the conference. Not just for UM but for every university Texas means recruits in athletics and well paid jobs for our states in the research fields. Instead of all those Nebraska graduates moving to Chicago or Denver they can stay in Lincoln or Omaha and give that money back in taxes

As a Michigan fan I know what playing in Pasadena on New Years Day means Yes, we know what it means to you as well. It means more to squeak out a Rose Bowl win than it does actually trying to win a National Championship outright on the field against the team that was willing to play the game.Football is everything to you. Nebraska is a program that a winning football program is the most important thing in their world My grandparents on both sides were Polish immigrants. They did not have anything. Both my grandfathers worked their entire lives in Michigan and paid their taxes so that my father could attend one of the world's greatest universities at a subsidized price. All the other universities besides Northwestern provided this to their residences. Without UM my father would have had to work like a dog his entire life. Because my father was able to work a job where he used his mind and not his body I was provided the same opportunity that he was. The Rose Bowl was a celebration of all the hard work and sweat that UM put into that season for a chance to escape the Midwest in the middle of the winter. Pasadena was a city created by people from the Midwest and to be able to travel there was a sign of wealth. Even though a lot of us did not own homes there like the wealthy industrialist from Chicago and Detroit. Almost every other Big Ten university felt the same way.

One of Michigan's biggest rivals recently decided to end our rivalry Michigan knowing how important playing ND was in the minds of the alumni and fans took the needed steps to re schedule the game My problem with Texas is that they do not understand our culture Thing is I do not feel like Nebraska does along with Rutgers and Maryland It took Penn State awhile to understand our culture but they are still a step behind As a Michigan fan I know what playing in Pasadena on New Years Day means If I would ask a Nebraska fan what playing in the Rose Bowl means They would give a simple answer of winning the Big Ten This is just a small part of our culture. Michigan and our conference has already sold out our culture so adding a non Midwestern school does not bother me anymore Maybe in Austin the temperature would not be as different than it is in Pasadena and the chance to get away from a Midwestern winter is not important

If you go through the 4 major sports Football Baseball Basketball W Basketball Texas is the only program in the Top 20 for wins Oklahoma is not that far either from being Top 20 If you look at secondary sports both universities provide the athletic programs this conference wishes Texas having the 5th most national championships only trailing Penn State in this conference Too bad we can't get them to play hockey as well but you can't always get everything This is in combination with Texas being a Public Ivy and besides Stanford is in the forefront of microelectronic engineering This is where the jobs are at in the research field and as you may not know Michigan is looking to change their economy for the future My issue is that Nebraska's complaints are all conjecture You do not know for sure what happened and why different universities voted with Texas It seems like you are upset because you went from getting your way to having another university that did Maybe Texas will become the new Nebraska once they join this conference and will have the hate for Michigan as you have for them We may soon find out. Big rewards come with big risk and I am in the opinion that this conference should take the risk of allowing Texas to join

We were getting information that Tom Osborne was moving Heaven and Earth in Chicago to get Nebraska into the Big 10. But it wasn't until Mizzou balked at paying the conference fee to update the signage that Nebraska seized control. Mizzou hesitated, Nebraska wrote a check. Thus, Nebraska got the invite. Whatever the reason of cancelling the yearly game between OU-Nebraska, it was a massive mistake. The Big 12 lost a premier game and the conference couldn't afford to do that, we just didn't know it in 1996. The entire thing is about money. The Big 10 will play the title game in Indy, but the HQ will remain in Chicago. Why? Because Chicago is the 3rd largest city in America and the amount of money in that town is too large to ignore. Proximity drives relationships, relationships drove sponsorships and sponsorships drive revenue. Again, that's all that matters. Cut the crap. The Big 8 couldn't get a TV deal, regardless of how successful the conference was. After SEC expansion and Big 10 expansion, the Big 8 was getting left behind in TV revenue. They needed TV sets and guess which state in your time zone had TV sets? So, please, don't act like you did us a favor, we both did what we needed to get paid. Again, if you can't understand why it's better to a conference in Dallas than Kansas City, then you probably think it would be better for the Big 10 to be in Omaha instead of Chicago. Nebraska lost every single vote 11-1 during the formation of the conference. Texas didn't get all 11 votes, we only got 1. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, the other seven Big 8 members got tired of Nebraska and saw that the changes the conference wanted to make were the right ones? Obviously, we didn't get everything right or the conference would have survived. But again, let's not act like the entire demise of the Big 12 is due to the forces of evil in Austin. Nebraska benefitted dollar for dollar for every move that the conference made and then Nebraska got a better deal. I applaud the Huskers for it. PFFFFT. Ask Iowa St, KSU, KU, Ok St how they are feeling now about their 11-1 votes. No Big Red brother to cover their sorry asses when a Texas stomped all over them and forced people to start jumping ship, looking out for themselves instead of all schools at least sharing a vested interest together. What's funny to me is not one person before this post has mentioned the Longhorn Network. When things were falling apart TV deals and rights were seen as a possible saving grace and TexASS wanted nothing to do with it. They stubbornly stuck to their own newborn network. Not sharing a DAMN DIME with anyone on it. That forced aTm out and showed their true colors. F Texas. I'd take OU in, if were set up right and possibly KU or Iowa St. never Texas Was it Colorado jumping ship combined with the 2001 game that ended Nebraska or was it Texas As an outsider looking in I have to say Colorado We were getting information that Tom Osborne was moving Heaven and Earth in Chicago to get Nebraska into the Big 10. But it wasn't until Mizzou balked at paying the conference fee to update the signage that Nebraska seized control. Mizzou hesitated, Nebraska wrote a check. Thus, Nebraska got the invite. Whatever the reason of cancelling the yearly game between OU-Nebraska, it was a massive mistake. The Big 12 lost a premier game and the conference couldn't afford to do that, we just didn't know it in 1996. The entire thing is about money. The Big 10 will play the title game in Indy, but the HQ will remain in Chicago. Why? Because Chicago is the 3rd largest city in America and the amount of money in that town is too large to ignore. Proximity drives relationships, relationships drove sponsorships and sponsorships drive revenue. Again, that's all that matters. Cut the crap. The Big 8 couldn't get a TV deal, regardless of how successful the conference was. After SEC expansion and Big 10 expansion, the Big 8 was getting left behind in TV revenue. They needed TV sets and guess which state in your time zone had TV sets? So, please, don't act like you did us a favor, we both did what we needed to get paid. Again, if you can't understand why it's better to a conference in Dallas than Kansas City, then you probably think it would be better for the Big 10 to be in Omaha instead of Chicago. Nebraska lost every single vote 11-1 during the formation of the conference. Texas didn't get all 11 votes, we only got 1. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, the other seven Big 8 members got tired of Nebraska and saw that the changes the conference wanted to make were the right ones? Obviously, we didn't get everything right or the conference would have survived. But again, let's not act like the entire demise of the Big 12 is due to the forces of evil in Austin. Nebraska benefitted dollar for dollar for every move that the conference made and then Nebraska got a better deal. I applaud the Huskers for it. PFFFFT. Ask Iowa St, KSU, KU, Ok St how they are feeling now about their 11-1 votes. No Big Red brother to cover their sorry asses when a Texas stomped all over them and forced people to start jumping ship, looking out for themselves instead of all schools at least sharing a vested interest together. What's funny to me is not one person before this post has mentioned the Longhorn Network. When things were falling apart TV deals and rights were seen as a possible saving grace and TexASS wanted nothing to do with it. They stubbornly stuck to their own newborn network. Not sharing a DAMN DIME with anyone on it. That forced aTm out and showed their true colors. F Texas. I'd take OU in, if were set up right and possibly KU or Iowa St. never Texas Was it Colorado jumping ship to a better conference and Nebraska being left as an outsider in another conference combined with the 2001 Boulder Beatdown that ended Nebraska or was it Texas As an outsider looking in I have to say Colorado. That game proved you were no longer a power Right after 2001 4 seasons with 6 or more losses and one the next season Before 2001 Nebraska had not had a losing season since 1961

You haven't experienced hell on Earth until a trip to Eugene I cannot compare any fanbase in the BIG to Oregon West Virginia comes to mind though if you look at universities outside of the conference Maybe a better example for Nebraska is an even more loud and obnoxious Boulder

Untrue Colorado was flirting with the PAC 10 since the early 80's It didn't make sense for the PAC 10 to bring them in until Utah became good at football Colorado and Utah were joining for sure Baylor was never a school that the conference was interested in and because of this Texas couldn't get rid of their baggage This smear campaign of Baylor may have something to do with Texas trying to get rid of them Very similar to the Dave Bliss smear campaign in the early 2000's

Wasn't there already a cultural clash in the Big 8 prior to the Big XII I know Colorado for sure looked down on the rest of their conference members I remember in 2010 the general opinion out of Boulder when they left the conference was that they finally felt they were in a conference with schools like them. One of the statements I remember was that CU fans finally had a conference that they were interested in going on road trips to follow their team by trading Ames, Lincoln and Norman for LA, Bay Area and Seattle

I ask this question again because it was quickly forgotten Where is the largest Nebraska alumni group outside of Omaha Kansas City? Denver? Dallas-Ft. Worth?

Nebraska being powerful was not something I brought up as someone else mentioned Nebraska's power earlier

Hmmm...Yaaaa....lost some cred with that one. Problem with that I see is that if Nebraska was the most powerful football program around at that time then Texas could not have pushed you around. One of your statements have to be incorrect or quite possibly both of them Texas was either not the one to blame or they were actually more powerful than you during the mid 90's

What if Texas would join without Oklahoma because of T Boone in the Oklahoma legislature and the Texas legislature forcing Texas to bring Texas Tech Would Nebraska go West to the PAC with KU, OU and Okie State

Oh come on. One thing I dislike about the Big Ten is its arrogance. Let's be real. If the Big Ten really cared about academics as much as you want to believe, Nebraska wouldn't have been invited at all. Our school doesn't carry any academic prestige that would be attractive to the Big Ten. The reason you wanted us was because our atheltic brand still carries weight which leads to more money for the conference. All this money helped you hire your man Harbaugh to bring you back to relevance. There is an awful lot of UT attitude in your posts. You ask for our opinions on Texas and you got them. Nebraska was probably the most powerful program in the country when Texas joined and they still took over. We didn't join your prestigious conference for the academics, we were running from the wasteland created by Texas. You might be too arrogant to think it couldn't happen to you, but we have enough evidence to know that we don't want to be anywhere near them. Even at your highest level in the mid 90's I doubt Nebraska was the most powerful football program around What happened according to what I see on here Texas and Oklahoma were more powerful If I remember correctly Nebraska was all for unequal revenue sharing when they were at the top

Besides Omaha what city or area of the country has the largest Nebraska alumni group For all the Big 12 Southschools it was Dallas I am thinking for a lot of Big 12 North schools they had as many alumni in Texas than their surrounding cities When Arlington TX became the host for the championship game Kansas City became the permanent host for basketball Maybe the problem was that universities like KU and even to a lesser extent ISU valued basketball more than football

. What their intention was does not matter because it could not be proven either way.If Texas allowed you to have partial qualifiers the BIG would have stopped them when you joined the conference is what I am saying I came here knowing you have bad blood with Texas but I thought that your reasons in being so anti Texas were not so self serving The partial qualifer factor was a major hit because in case you didn't know, Nebraska is not a talent rich state.But take that out of it. We were in talks to combine our Big 8 conference with the 8 SWC schools, basically both round robin winners would meet to crown a champion and OU-UT could be a permanent crossover matchup. But Texas, looking out for Texas, did not want TCU, UH and SMU coming with. So they backdoored their way in and screwed those 3 over. Started making demands that were met like the partial qualifiers. Moved everything to Texas, HQ and Championship game mind you. And of course saw their game with OU as far more important and got the yearly OU-NU game to become a 2 on 2 off matchup. Our struggles since the late 90's are our own. Bad hires and complacency led to this current rut. But I feel comfortable saying Texas coming in when they did and doing what they did played a fairly large role in it as well. Didn't the Big XII title game rotate for most of the conference's history I understand the hate when the Big XII basketball tournament moved from Kemper Arena because of the history of the tournament but prior to the Big XII there was no championship game in the Big 8 for football Wouldn't saving the Oklahoma game for Nebraska help your fellow North schools by giving them more Texas exposure because Nebraska was guaranteed at least one Oklahoma game a year I apologize if this comes out harsh but I see Nebraska finding scapegoats for their problems.

Not entirely true. Reason why is that if Texas went to the PAC 10 like what was originally planned Colorado would have followed I am speaking about the 1980's Colorado because their state evolved from what it was in the 1950's to what it became in the 80's wanted to go West Because Texas joined the conference it forced Colorado to stay. Remember when this last realignment went down Colorado was one of the first to bolt

What their intention was does not matter because it could not be proven either way.If Texas allowed you to have partial qualifiers the BIG would have stopped them when you joined the conference is what I am saying I came here knowing you have bad blood with Texas but I thought that your reasons in being so anti Texas were not so self serving

Academic All-Americans are not a great barometer for academic prowess, but it is a fancy number to brag about. Michigan is the 23rd ranked university in the world -- we're somewhere around the 500th mark. Our commitment to student-athletes academic success specifically is incredibly strong and as good as it gets, but there's no way to quantify that and it's pretty stupid to boast about academics to a fan one of the absolute premiere universities in America. LOMS, this is silliness. He specifically brought up partial qualifiers. Academic All Americans are absolutely on topic when it comes to responding to someone who brings up partial qualifiers. We are specifically talking about the academics of football players. Your reply is the irrelevant one, based on what the conversation is about. The Michigan guy could have brought any of that himself and only then would ZRod's post be considered "boasting" or off topic. Partial and no qualifiers being allowed to play football meant you are saying athletics are more important than academics It was a direction that universities who valued academics didn't want our sport heading into because it pretty much gave off the idea of just as long as you can throw the ball 60 yards or if you can run a sub 4.5 40 you can come to a place that was originally created to enlighten and expand the minds of young adults Maybe it damaged your football program but I believe Texas made the correct stand against Nebraska. Unless of course you value winning on the field more than in the classroom Schools like Michigan and Texas wants the kids who can run a 40 time close to their HS GPA A 4.2 40 with a 4.0 GPA

If it wasn't for Texas ending partial qualifiers I do not see Nebraska playing in this conference The BIG believes in academics and we would not want a university who says academics do not matter in regards to student athletes. Truthfully I respect Texas wanting to uphold academic integrity These other things like moving conference HQ, owning referees and moving championship games that I have seen Texas being accused of is something different but for them to so they had to have others to agree to their demands I just do not see this happening in this conference Thing I do not on this topic being mentioned is that Texas is using all the conferences against each other but for them to have the power to so was only allowed by the 4 universities who left the Big 12 and gave Texas and to a lesser extent Oklahoma this great hand to play

With both universities in the BIG don't you think ESPN would remove the SEC from the prime time position every Saturday in exchange for the BIG. This is not including Wisconsin, Iowa and Michigan State Having then 6 of the top 10 programs in the history of college football puts the conference in the catbird's seat of college football

If you have not noticed most of our states are losing population so a move to an area of the country where it is the opposite may be needed for long term stability Plus Texas academics are a HUGE plus to add to the BTCRC No offense to Nebraska and the Big 8 but this is the BIG and Texas will not be allowed to influence us like they did in your ex conference

This is becoming a very real possibility As a Michigan supporter I wonder what would be the response from Nebraska As you have had experiences with both universities