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Its football dude...too early too make that call Exactly my point!

Another ugly, ugly win. There should be no talk yet about the Big 12 Championship game. We should be underdogs going into Colorado. To me, we must win that game for the next to truly have value. We shouldn't go in to be the spoiler ... we should go in winning our last three games ... beating Texas ... blow them up and the BCS ... .... and get us the best bowl possible by pullin' it all off. Man oh man, we have alot to do on the field next week to start on that mission. SheepdogMark

Three major mistakes by Les Miles. Should have run the ball when he had a 50 yard field goal. Then should have called timeout with 30 some seconds left and still given them a chance ... finally, the last play ... not having the field goal team ready. At it all ends in a "L". Wow, that really surprized me ... his coaching mistakes. SheepdogMark

It's all just sad. SheepdogMark

Boise does have one advantage from playing a lighter regular season schedule. They don't get nearly as banged up from taking NFL caliber hits over the course of their schedule like the BCS teams do. Do you think OU has as many injuries as they've had this year if they play Boise's schedule? They might . . . but I doubt it. Having your starters healthy for the duration of the season is HUGE. In 2004, we played Southern Miss in the first game of the year, at HOME ... and lost 17-21. In 2007, Boise State played Southern Miss five (5) games into the season AT Southern Miss ... and even after playing #17 Oregon, at Oregon ... won the game 37-32. Interesting ... and opposite of the argument presented ... again, Boise State doesnt' play anybody. Yet they beat the teams we play ... even after they are wore down (well I guess I can't really say that because if you don't play anybody then you really can't get wore down) and we are fresh ... but we use an argument that states "we play a tough schedule" and they play a "weak schedule". Interesting, SheepdogMark Wait . . . are you really comparing teams that are 3 years apart (04 Southern Miss and 07 Southern Miss) and claiming that they ares somehow similar? (not to mention the fact that you are comparing one of our worst teams in the last 40 years and one of Boise's best teams). Your arguments are making my head spin. Let's make this easy: Would Boise State be undefeated if they played in the SEC? Would TCU? I doubt it. On a humorous note ... I'm sure we would have gone undefeated in that 2004 season ... had we had a schedule like Boise State that year ... right?!!? SheepdogMark

"Wait . . . are you really comparing teams that are 3 years apart (04 Southern Miss and 07 Southern Miss) and claiming that they ares somehow similar? (not to mention the fact that you are comparing one of our worst teams in the last 40 years and one of Boise's best teams). Your arguments are making my head spin. Let's make this easy: Would Boise State be undefeated if they played in the SEC? Would TCU? I doubt it." Comparing the logic used ... yes. And regarding your last statement ... I agree. And what do you think would occur if TCU played our schedule this year? I'd submit to you that they would would fair quite well ... and that's without having all the home games and without the recruiting rankings. Sure it's a debate ... I would grant that Boise State would have the same record as us this year if they played our schedule. I've never entered the debate of "undefeated" ... I've just noticed how Husker fans that seem to discredit these teams ... all the while we somehow would be lowering ourselves if we played them. Thanks for your input ... sorry if I make your head spin ... I posted for the same reason however. SheepdogMark

I grew up a Big Royals fan ... gave up on baseball a long time ago. There are only 6-8 teams in the league anymore ... the rest are farm teams for the big ones. Guess that is how it's always been. The big market teams get the players eventually. Don't the Yankees have 27 "titles" now? Wow ... maybe someday the Yankees can take on Japan and beat them ... of course ... they'd have to lose the players that aren't from America. Maybe if they can stop taking performance enhancers and actually create a market of competition baseball can make a comeback. Until then, as it says of itself ... it's America's pasttime ... and that it is ... it's in the past. Next, SheepdogMark

Are you watching MSNBC? I don't listen to Rush ... but I'd debate this point based on the evidence and win it if you like. However, with this being a sports forum, I'll defer ... other then to state the very obvious ... liberals don't debate much on the basis of face when it comes to their desire to destroy someone who debates against there points rather well ... and with much humor ... leaving the other side to conclude "he and his view is the center of universe". Conservatives just believe their principles have proved themselves over time. SheepdogMark

Surprized to hear that Dwayne Bowe was suspended for four games due to use of Performance Enhansing Drugs. Heard that on ESPN, via TV. More to come I'm sure. Those poor Chefs (I don't call 'em the Chiefs anymore) SheepdogMark

People always like to talk sh!t on the 71 and 95 teams like we didn't play anyone, but as you said, we beat the #2, 3 and 4 team in 71 and took down 3 top 10 teams in 95 (2 on the road). I don't believe my intent was to say that we didn't "play anybody" that year. If so, then let me correct that here and now. Other teams may say that of us ... but this thread has been about TCU and Boise St ...the schedules, the stars and the final rankings. You are always gonna have a couple of tough teams, especially if you get to a good bowl. We did play an easy schedule ... IMHO. Remembering back, our off-season schedule had what would be called "names" today ... but the programs were "puff". I don't know where you got your "rankings" of playing teams #2, 3 and 4. That year Colorado was good and #9 at the time we played them (I used Huskers.com as my source). I also don't consider a bowl game as an "away" game. I'd call it "nuetral". Outside of OU and CU ... there certainly were more "bottom dwellers" in the "Big 8" than "compitition. I viewed the conference back then as the "Big 2". Of course, NU and OU went into the game 1-2. The last game of the year was against Alabama and they were #2. I don't count that as part of the "easy" schedule as it's the last game ... a bowl game ... it's suppose to be tough. That win proved that team was for real. Here's the schedule and scores. Sat, Sep 11 Oregon 2 - Memorial Stadium 34 - 7 (W) Sat, Sep 18 Minnesota 1 - Memorial Stadium 35 - 7 (W) Sat, Sep 25 Texas A&M 1 - Memorial Stadium 34 - 7 (W) Sat, Oct 02 Utah State 1 - Memorial Stadium 42 - 6 (W) Sat, Oct 09 Missouri 1 - at Columbia, Mo. 36 - 0 (W) Sat, Oct 16 Kansas 1 - Memorial Stadium 55 - 0 (W) Fri, Oct 22 Oklahoma State 1 - at Stillwater, Okla. 41 - 13 (W) Sat, Oct 30 Colorado 1 9 Memorial Stadium 31 - 7 (W) Sat, Nov 06 Iowa State 1 - Memorial Stadium 37 - 0 (W) Sat, Nov 13 Kansas State 1 - at Manhattan, Kan. 44 - 17 (W) Thu, Nov 25 Oklahoma 1 2 at Norman, Okla. 35 - 31 (W) Sat, Dec 04 Hawaii 1 - at Honolulu, Hawaii 45 - 3 (W) SheepdogMark

Boise does have one advantage from playing a lighter regular season schedule. They don't get nearly as banged up from taking NFL caliber hits over the course of their schedule like the BCS teams do. Do you think OU has as many injuries as they've had this year if they play Boise's schedule? They might . . . but I doubt it. Having your starters healthy for the duration of the season is HUGE. In 2004, we played Southern Miss in the first game of the year, at HOME ... and lost 17-21. In 2007, Boise State played Southern Miss five (5) games into the season AT Southern Miss ... and even after playing #17 Oregon, at Oregon ... won the game 37-32. Interesting ... and opposite of the argument presented ... again, Boise State doesnt' play anybody. Yet they beat the teams we play ... even after they are wore down (well I guess I can't really say that because if you don't play anybody then you really can't get wore down) and we are fresh ... but we use an argument that states "we play a tough schedule" and they play a "weak schedule". Interesting, SheepdogMark

VA Husker ... I didn't know the answer ... Year and bowl Winning team Losing team 1999 Crucial.com Humanitarian Bowl Boise State 34 Louisville 31 2000 Crucial.com Humanitarian Bowl Boise State 38 UTEP 23 2002 Crucial.com Humanitarian Bowl Boise State 34 Iowa State 16 2003 PlainsCapital Fort Worth Bowl Boise State 34 TCU 31 2004 AutoZone Liberty Bowl Louisville 44 Boise State 40 2005 MPC Computers Bowl Boston College 27 Boise State 21 2007 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Boise State 43 Oklahoma 42 2007 Sheraton Hawaii Bowl East Carolina 41 Boise State 38 2008 Poinsettia Bowl TCU 17 Boise State 16 Looks like they lost some games to good teams. For me, don't have any respect for the East Carolina program. Outside of that ... all those teams were good teams, except maybe UTEP and Iowa State. I don't see any "blowout" losses ... always competitive ... so, do we conclude that because they 4 out of 5 in the last bowls that that's because they don't play anybody? God I hope not. After a month or so off before the bowls I wonder how anybody can even remember how to play ... but that's another soap box. What I do know is that Boise State has beaten all Big 12 opponets since 2002. SheepdogMark

VA Husker ... I didn't know the answer ... Year and bowl Winning team Losing team 1999 Crucial.com Humanitarian Bowl Boise State 34 Louisville 31 2000 Crucial.com Humanitarian Bowl Boise State 38 UTEP 23 2002 Crucial.com Humanitarian Bowl Boise State 34 Iowa State 16 2003 PlainsCapital Fort Worth Bowl Boise State 34 TCU 31 2004 AutoZone Liberty Bowl Louisville 44 Boise State 40 2005 MPC Computers Bowl Boston College 27 Boise State 21 2007 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Boise State 43 Oklahoma 42 2007 Sheraton Hawaii Bowl East Carolina 41 Boise State 38 2008 Poinsettia Bowl TCU 17 Boise State 16 Looks like they lost some games to good teams. For me, don't have any respect for the East Carolina program. Outside of that ... all those teams were good teams, except maybe UTEP and Iowa State. I don't see any "blowout" losses ... always competitive ... so, do we conclude that because they 4 out of 5 in the last bowls that that's because they don't play anybody? God I hope not. After a month or so off before the bowls I wonder how anybody can even remember how to play ... but that's another soap box. What I do know is that Boise State has beaten all Big 12 opponets since 2002. SheepdogMark

Boise does have one advantage from playing a lighter regular season schedule. They don't get nearly as banged up from taking NFL caliber hits over the course of their schedule like the BCS teams do. Do you think OU has as many injuries as they've had this year if they play Boise's schedule? They might . . . but I doubt it. Having your starters healthy for the duration of the season is HUGE. I believe that's true! And for the record ... I wonder why we can't beat a team like Virginia Tech at the beginning of the season ... when we play the likes of Florida Atlantic and Arkansas State. Not a whole lot of NFL talent there. No injuries for us. With some of logic I hear on the board we should win every game at the beginning of the year ... and lose the games at the end ... including the bowls ... because of the tough, tough competition we play. And for the record ... Sam Bradford was hurt playing in the first game of the year ... at home ... against a "nobody" team like BYU (who really wasn't that good). Just another TCU/Boise St. team that doesn't play anybody ... and that was at the beginning of the year before the tough Big 12 season. On the other hand ... TCU beat this same BYU team after playing seven (7) games (two of which were against OU and Florida St.) ... oh and don't forget ... TCU won 38-7 ... ON THE ROAD! Lest anyone forget ... I'm a Husker fan ... I'm just pointed these kinds of things out because "we", meaning Husker fans ... seem to "glance over" the obvious truths or the "rest of the story" in our debates. SheepdogMark

People always like to talk sh!t on the 71 and 95 teams like we didn't play anyone, but as you said, we beat the #2, 3 and 4 team in 71 and took down 3 top 10 teams in 95 (2 on the road). I don't believe I have said that "we didn't play anybody" that year. If so, then let me correct that here and now. Other teams may say that of us ... but this thread has been about TCU and Boise St ...the schedules, the stars and the final rankings. We did play an easy schedule ... IMHO. Remembering back, our off-season schedule had what would be called "names" today ... but the programs were "puff". I don't know where you got your "rankings" of playing teams #2, 3 and 4. That year Colorado was good and #9 at the time we played them (I used Huskers.com as my source). I also don't consider a bowl game as an "away" game. I'd call it "nuetral". Outside of OU and CU ... there certainly were more "bottom dwellers" in the "Big 8" than "compitition. I viewed the conference back then as the "Big 2". Of course, NU and OU went into the game 1-2. The last game of the year was against Alabama and they were #2. I don't count that as part of the "easy" schedule as it's the last game ... a bowl game ... it's suppose to be tough. That win proved that team was for real. Here's the schedule and scores. Sat, Sep 11 Oregon 2 - Memorial Stadium 34 - 7 (W) Sat, Sep 18 Minnesota 1 - Memorial Stadium 35 - 7 (W) Sat, Sep 25 Texas A&M 1 - Memorial Stadium 34 - 7 (W) Sat, Oct 02 Utah State 1 - Memorial Stadium 42 - 6 (W) Sat, Oct 09 Missouri 1 - at Columbia, Mo. 36 - 0 (W) Sat, Oct 16 Kansas 1 - Memorial Stadium 55 - 0 (W) Fri, Oct 22 Oklahoma State 1 - at Stillwater, Okla. 41 - 13 (W) Sat, Oct 30 Colorado 1 9 Memorial Stadium 31 - 7 (W) Sat, Nov 06 Iowa State 1 - Memorial Stadium 37 - 0 (W) Sat, Nov 13 Kansas State 1 - at Manhattan, Kan. 44 - 17 (W) Thu, Nov 25 Oklahoma 1 2 at Norman, Okla. 35 - 31 (W) Sat, Dec 04 Hawaii 1 - at Honolulu, Hawaii 45 - 3 (W) SheepdogMark

Va Husker, I like your points here ... that's a good argument ... and I can't disagree with you much. The bigger conversation is what a team like TCU or Boise State is bringing to the table year after year. It's not like these teams are "one hit wonders". They seem to get discredited for continual success on the merit that they play nobody. I can look at our 71 team and say we didn't play anybody, except OU. Oregon and Minnesota didn't really have a football team then. We played A&M. Of course, we played Utah State and Hawaii (those two teams can't count as football teams because they don't for TCU or Boise St) and at that time ... these two school really were like Div. II schools. Hawaii was actually our last game of that season after the classic game with OU. SheepdogMark

So what do you think our record would be this past seven (7) years against a TCU or a Boise St? My opinion ... we would probably have 3 wins and 4 losses with TCU. My opinion ... we would probably have 4 wins and 3 losses with Boise St. Those opinions are with us having the home field for all games and Lord willing ... an easy schedule so we don't get wore out. SheepdogMark

Ya, I remember that 97 season, cause I went to the Missouri game ... that season we played some very weak teams. We struggled with Central Florida, who was a nobody at the time. We beat a good Washington team. From what I recall, the entire North was very weak that year ... and OU was terrible. We were lucky to beat MU and Coloroad played us tough, even though we were far better. We had alot of talent thay year ... and we had a very weak schedule ... based off my opinion and that of the day. We beat A&M in the championship and Tennessee for the crown. I suppose the case could made that year that we had a very weak schedule ... we played a good Washington team ... but we were "fresh" ... then basically didn't play anybody until the championship game ... and we were fully rested. I'd just like to point out that if this is "how the argument goes" then it has to be true for the Huskers as well ... as this was not a tough schedule at all ... and are non-conference always is and IMHO even our Big 12 schedule isn't any tougher than most schools like us ... probably easier than most when you factor in our non-conference and all the home games we get. Sat, Aug 30 Akron 6 - Memorial Stadium 59 - 14 (W) Sat, Sep 13 Central Florida 6 - Memorial Stadium 38 - 24 (W) Sat, Sep 20 Washington 7 2 at Seattle, Wash. 27 - 14 (W) Sat, Oct 04 Kansas State 3 17 Memorial Stadium 56 - 26 (W) Sat, Oct 11 Baylor 3 - at Waco, Texas 49 - 21 (W) Sat, Oct 18 Texas Tech 2 - Memorial Stadium 29 - 0 (W) Sat, Oct 25 Kansas 1 - at Lawrence, Kan. 35 - 0 (W) Sat, Nov 01 Oklahoma 1 - Memorial Stadium 69 - 7 (W) Sat, Nov 08 Missouri 1 - at Columbia, Mo. 45 - 38 (W) OT Sat, Nov 15 Iowa State 3 - Memorial Stadium 77 - 14 (W) Fri, Nov 28 Colorado 2 - at Boulder, Colo. 27 - 24 (W) SheepdogMark

Interesting to see that the only ranked player on this vote from USC is Joe McKnight, ranked 30th with 438 votes. Wow, when was the last time you saw USC that far down on any board. SheepdogMark

We played Southern Miss this same year as TCU (2004). We started that season playing Western Illinois and won 56-17. Having "fresh legs" and not a "tough schedule" ... we went on the road to play Southern Miss ... here was the result. Sat, Sep 11 Southern Miss L 17-21 -- That same year TCU beat Southern Miss at the END of the season and after playing AT Cincinnati and losing and AT Louisville, who at the time was #12 in the country. Scores: Sat, Oct 30 at Cincinnati L 10-21 -- Wed, Nov 10 at (12) Louisville L 28-55 -- Sat, Nov 20 Southern Miss W 42-17 -- SheepdogMark

Boise State schedule isn't as tough as TCU ... in most people's view. I would agree. Here are some noteable schedule/scores from past years against good teams that year: 2003 Sat, Sep 20 at Oregon State L 24-26 -- Thu, Oct 30 at Brigham Young W 50-12 -- 2004 Fri, Sep 10 Oregon State W 53-34 -- Fri, Sep 24 Brigham Young W 28-27 -- Fri, Oct 29 Hawaii W 69-3 -- 2005 Sat, Sep 3 at (13) Georgia L 13-48 -- Sat, Sep 10 at Oregon State L 27-30 -- Thu, Nov 10 at (20) Fresno State L 7-27 -- 2006 Thu, Sep 7 Oregon State W 42-14 -- Sat, Sep 23 Hawaii W 41-34 -- Sat, Sep 30 at Utah W 36-3 -- 2007 Sat, Sep 8 at Washington L 10-24 -- Thu, Sep 27 Southern Miss W 38-16 -- Fri, Nov 23 at (14) Hawaii L 27-39 -- 2008 Sat, Sep 20 at (17) Oregon W 37-32 -- Sat, Oct 11 at Southern Miss W 24-7 -- Fri, Oct 17 Hawaii W 27-7 -- 2009 Thu, Sep 3 (16) Oregon W 19-8 -- Wed, Oct 14 at Tulsa W 28-21 -- It would be interesting to see how we would fair against an "easier" schedule with these teams in those years on our schedule. Again, the simple point is that for alot of years we played 3-4 really easy non-conference games and we had teams like Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State that were total "puff" teams. In recent years our league has gotten tougher, yes, but it's not like we face week in and out tougher schedules that 3, 4 or 5 other leagues. From memory, I can't recall that we always have a "real tough" strength of schedule. Just some more research numbers to add to the conversation. I must be bored today on my day off. SheepdogMark

Here is TCU's Schedule - personally, don't see their schedule as tougher than ours. Especially when you consider that their "pre-season" has three out of four tough non-conference games. Also, don't forget they don't get as many "home" games as our Huskers ... they play alot of games on the road ... and some of these teams are Top 25 and on the road. 2003 Mon, Sep 1 at Tulane W 38-35 -- Sat, Sep 6 Navy W 17-3 -- Sat, Sep 20 Vanderbilt W 30-14 -- Sat, Sep 27 at Arizona W 13-10 -- Sat, Oct 4 Army W 27-0 -- Fri, Oct 10 at South Florida W 13-10 -- Sat, Oct 18 UAB W 27-24 -- Sat, Oct 25 at Houston W 62-55 -- Wed, Nov 5 Louisville W 31-28 -- Sat, Nov 15 Cincinnati W 43-10 -- Thu, Nov 20 at Southern Miss L 28-40 -- Sat, Nov 29 at Southern Methodist W 20-13 -- 2004 Thu, Sep 2 Northwestern W 48-45 -- Sat, Sep 11 Southern Methodist W 44-0 -- Sat, Sep 18 at Texas Tech L 35-70 -- Sat, Sep 25 South Florida L 44-45 -- Sat, Oct 2 at Army W 21-17 -- Fri, Oct 15 at UAB L 25-41 -- Sat, Oct 23 Houston W 34-27 -- Sat, Oct 30 at Cincinnati L 10-21 -- Wed, Nov 10 at (12) Louisville L 28-55 -- Sat, Nov 20 Southern Miss W 42-17 -- Sat, Nov 27 Tulane L 31-35 -- 2005 Sat, Sep 3 at (7) Oklahoma W 17-10 -- Sat, Sep 10 at Southern Methodist L 10-21 -- Thu, Sep 15 Utah W 23-20 -- Sat, Sep 24 at Brigham Young W 51-50 -- Sat, Oct 1 New Mexico W 49-28 -- Sat, Oct 8 at Wyoming W 28-14 -- Sat, Oct 15 Army W 38-17 -- Sat, Oct 22 at Air Force W 48-10 -- Sat, Oct 29 at San Diego State W 23-20 -- Sat, Nov 5 Colorado State W 33-6 -- Sat, Nov 12 UNLV W 51-3 -- 2006 Sun, Sep 3 at Baylor W 17-7 -- Sat, Sep 9 California-Davis W 46-13 -- Sat, Sep 16 (24) Texas Tech W 12-3 -- Thu, Sep 28 Brigham Young L 17-31 -- Thu, Oct 5 at Utah L 7-20 -- Sat, Oct 21 at Army W 31-17 -- Sat, Oct 28 Wyoming W 26-3 -- Sat, Nov 4 at UNLV W 25-10 -- Sat, Nov 11 at New Mexico W 27-21 -- Sat, Nov 18 San Diego State W 52-0 -- Sat, Nov 25 at Colorado State W 45-14 -- Sat, Dec 2 Air Force W 38-14 -- 2007 Sat, Sep 1 Baylor W 27-0 -- Sat, Sep 8 at (7) Texas L 13-34 -- Thu, Sep 13 at Air Force L 17-20 -- Sat, Sep 22 Southern Methodist W 21-7 -- Sat, Sep 29 Colorado State W 24-12 -- Sat, Oct 6 at Wyoming L 21-24 -- Sat, Oct 13 at Stanford W 38-36 -- Thu, Oct 18 Utah L 20-27 -- Sat, Nov 3 New Mexico W 37-0 -- Thu, Nov 8 at Brigham Young L 22-27 -- Sat, Nov 17 UNLV W 34-10 -- Sat, Nov 24 at San Diego State W 45-33 -- 2008 Sat, Aug 30 at New Mexico W 26-3 -- Sat, Sep 6 Stephen F. Austin W 67-7 -- Sat, Sep 13 Stanford W 31-14 -- Sat, Sep 20 at Southern Methodist W 48-7 -- Sat, Sep 27 at (2) Oklahoma L 10-35 -- Sat, Oct 4 San Diego State W 41-7 -- Sat, Oct 11 at Colorado State W 13-7 -- Thu, Oct 16 (9) Brigham Young W 32-7 -- Sat, Oct 25 Wyoming W 54-7 -- Sat, Nov 1 at UNLV W 44-14 -- Thu, Nov 6 at (10) Utah L 10-13 -- Sat, Nov 22 Air Force W 44-10 -- 2009 Sat, Sep 12 at Virginia W 30-14 Audio Sat, Sep 19 Texas State W 56-21 Audio Sat, Sep 26 at Clemson W 14-10 Audio Sat, Oct 3 Southern Methodist W 39-14 Audio Sat, Oct 10 at Air Force W 20-17 Audio Sat, Oct 17 Colorado State W 44-6 Audio Sat, Oct 24 at (16) Brigham Young W 38-7 Audio Sat, Oct 31 UNLV W 41-0 Audio Sat, Nov 7 at San Diego State W 55-12 Audio Sat, Nov 14 (16) Utah W 55-28 Audio Sat, Nov 21 at Wyoming 2:00 pm Audio Sat, Nov 28 New Mexico 1:00 pm Audio Excuse me ... do we play Top 25 teams and beat them? How would we fair against the SF's, Louisville's, Cinci's, Southern Miss's, Utah's, BYU's, and even Colorado St? We do know how we fair against teams like OU, Baylor, TT, Texas in past years ... don't we usually lose three our of four of these? So then, how do we fair against there second teir type non-conference teams ... Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Virginia, Clemson, Southern Miss? To me, we "discredit" teams like this ... and then you look at what they have to due to get "respect" ... and what they accomplish ... to me ... I respect these teams for what they have accomplished. SheepdogMark

Here are the Rival Rankins for Boise State "talent". 2010 - Currently 77 2009 - 72 2008 - 89 2007 - 68 2006 - 70 2005 - 64 2004 - 85 2003 - 101 2002 - 74 Pretty amazing ... especially consider we have open dates to play a team like this but can't/won't play them. They must have some great coaching and a really pathetic schedule ... how can someone build a competitive team with these kinds of rankings? Might have to do some research and see how these teams fair against top competition. Who do you think comes out on top of that one folks? Curious to hear others thoughts. SheepdogMark

Love to see Gruden stay on MNF ... it's the best they set of commentators they have had in 4-5 years ... IMHO. SheepdogMark

Probably true ... they would probably get alot better recruits wouldn't they? Sounds like you might be in favor of playing them as well ... so they wouldn't be discredited ... would that be correct? Traditionally, in say the past 5-10 years, who are the "tough" teams we play? Just curious who you think we play that makes our schedule so "respectful"? SheepdogMark