BigPeterJ

I like the hire.  The improvement at every single place he has been is impressive.  As impressive as it gets tbh.

Maybe in a couple years he can be our special teams coach.  He is so young that we don't know how good he is yet, but everyone starts somewhere.  Looking at the little we have to judge him on, it's nothing but impressive.

2 hours ago, runningblind said:

Fellas. I know it's the offseason, but comparing Belt to Burkhead is peaking a bit too soon don't you think?

Ill admit I've actually never seen Brody Belt play as far as i can remember.  So I can't really choose a side to this, but if he is anything close to Rex, that would be a great walkon to have.

Edit: film does look good, but it could have just been a few plays.  Just he is so much smaller than Rex, with the same speed.  

I honestly believe we will win at least 7 games.  If we don't i will be the most disappointed person on here, and will have lost faith in Frost.

2 minutes ago, skersfan said:

I don't care about potential, wishes, hopes, fairy dust or anything the media prints and we all tend to swallow like chocolate milk.  Not a fan of kool aid and longer.  lol

 

Show me on the field, prove you are what you claim or want to be.  Then I will believe all this.

 

I think Frost is the right guy, but still feel we are a long ways from being competitive with the teams we need to be.

We are a long way... no doubt.  But not in terms of time.  We have been terrible, but it only takes a couple years to turn it around.  If a coach doesn't show signs of it by year 3 , it probably will never happen.  This year is huge.  Not that we have to be great this year, but we have to show signs of turning the program.  We need to go at least 7-5.

18 minutes ago, Head Coach Scott Frost said:

I'm often on the pessimist side, but I think our offense will be amazing next year. Unfortunately, I think the defense will take a step or two back and we won't be a ton better overall.

I think our offense will be really good too, if our QB is good.  Bad QB play can ruin this offense.  Good QB play can make this offense, like it did at UCF with Milton.  Between Martinez and McCaffrey chances are one of them will be good. As long as we play whoever is, i like our offense for next year.  

Defensively, we will be a completely different team.  Not sure it will be better or worse than last year....but it will be different.  Last year we had a great DL, terrible LBs, and an average secondary.  This year our DL probably will be much weaker, but our LBs will be way faster, and our secondary probably about the same. 

Where as last year teams really struggled running the ball against us inside, but could pass all over us in the middle of the field.  Next year our pass defense should be much better with improved LB speed, but teams probably wont struggle as much running up the middle on us for 3-5 yards.  Our defense will be very young.  Probably alot better at the end of the year, than at the beginning.

This year could go either way.  I could see us anywhere between 5-7 and 9-3.  If we lose games early , the wheels could fall off.  If we win early, our young defense may be good enough by the end of the year to win some of those tough games.  If things go like i hope, next year will be like Minnesota was this year.  We barely get by beating average teams early in the year in some close games, build confidence and experience with our newcomers, and beat some really good teams at the end of the year. It's not like Minnesota, Wisconsin, or Iowa are OSU.  We can beat all 3 of them if we improve the way we potentially could.

1 hour ago, BigRedN said:

I don't see getting wins early as anything key to the season.  Personally, I won't be surprised to see us go 6-1 in the first 7 games ... realistically, I see us as a 5-2 team at that point.  At the end of the season, I don't see a guaranteed "win" nor one that we "should" win.  I think we can win against Iowa and Minny ... gonna say we win one of those.  Thus, in the last five games we win 1 and lose 4 at best with the worst being all of them.  It's very realistic to assume 7-5 at best, 5-7 as a possible worst and 6-6 as the prediction [thank God for an easy beginning to the schedule].  

Thus, I don't see any amount of breakthrough which makes us appear as the up and coming team to these higher end recruits.

So, @84HuskerLaw, when you say, "winning some games", are you talking about going 8-4 or 9-3 and what are these games?  For me, I don't see us winning any type of game where it is an upset so I don't perceive us doing anything "special" that merits a recruit getting his eyes opened.  Sure, we could pull off an upset ... but for me, I see us getting upset in more games than us being in a position to pull off an upset.

Your input?

I'm not @84HuskerLaw, but Cincinnati is a team we would have easily lost to last year, and a few of our other early games are decent teams.  If we start 6-1 or 7-0 that would show significant improvement over last year.  And if we really improve the way we should, then Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Penn State don't look so daunting.  The fact we are scared of 3 of those teams is a result of how aweful we have been.  Sure they are solid teams, but there is no reason we shouldn't have a coinflip against Iowa or Minnesota, and a chance against Wisconsin and Penn State.  

If we start the season looking good, then there is a great chance we can win 2 or 3 of our last 5 games.  If your a decent team, there is only 1 team in this conference that you can't beat.  The rest are dog fights.

Don't mean to get off topic, but this is the attitude we need.

45 minutes ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Not sure where we finished in yards produced but we were not very good in scoring and thats the most important thing.   Not efficient offensively nor consistent.  The entire team has been inconsistent for 6 years.   The most disappointing and troublesome concern about theae first two Frost coached teams is not being a steady, confident very

hard working and determined bunch that emulates it leader!   

This is Frost himself and I still feel it is THE reason Frost will get the program rolling eventually (starts Aug 2020) - as he will finally get the culture changed and some jntrasquad leadership guys of the right types to step forward and assert their wills.   That fighting spirit will catch fire and then look out.  

Im with you brother.  Imo Frost isn't yet the best Gameday coach, but what he has that even Saban doesnt have is the intangibles.  Frost connects to people, hell he connects to me through a screen.  You can see it in his eyes and feel it in his presence.  He is real, and has the heart of a lion, whereas many coaches have the brain of a genius or a competitive heart, but not the same heart as frost.  Imo it has some to do with his faith and Jesus within him. Jesus can give you the spirit and heart, that nothing else can.  Its just my opinion from afar. But if uve ever been filled in the spirit you understand what i be sayin.  Frost has that warrior in him that was in David from the Bible.  I could be a KAF...but thats what i really believe.  

KAF is a kool aid fool.

9 minutes ago, dvdcrr said:

Kobe possibly just a better pure scorer than Jordan, but Jordan was clutch, played D, and had all the intangibles.

Lebron has the best argument after Michael.  Kobe was a great scorer, but Lebron makes the entire team better on offense.

On 2/14/2020 at 12:01 PM, Bigred_inSD said:

There was a rumor going on that Martinez knocked up a volleyball player and that was why his on field performance wasn't good 

Was that just a completely made up rumor? 

3 minutes ago, dvdcrr said:

SO MUCH WEED!!!  DUDE...

Well someone has to bring it to the people of Louisiana.  These guys selflessly drove all the way across the country for their kin folk.  They practically hand it out for free in northern california.

8 minutes ago, Husker03 said:

Avery Roberts maybe, but not really sure I see it with the other two.  They haven't yet shown to be anywhere near the difference makers we lacked.

After losing Demorrio , we lacked speed in the secondary and Bookie is pretty good.  Tyjon is doing well too, and we needed a receiver.

If they would have just not gone to a border CHECKPOINT they would have made it.  Not that i support what they did, but these arent the type of people that need to be locked up.  Now the people of Louisiana are gonna have to get their weed from the cartel, where as if tbese guys would have made it , the whole state of Louisiana could have put the cartel out of business in their state for a month.

8 hours ago, Hilltop said:

I believe there is more to the system than actual formations and plays.  Riley's system managed players differently.  I'm definitely not a fan of how he ran things but he recruited certain types of guys that fit his soft management style of the team.  I do think some players respond to that and struggle with a hard nosed culture.   

It would have been nice if we could have kept Bookie and Tyjon, and Avery Roberts.  If those 3 guys dont leave with Mike's firing, last year would have been a completely different story.  Exactly what we needed was the holes filled from where those guys would have been playing.  Why our recruiting rankings from 2016 and 2017 mean nothing, we lost most of our best players from those years.

On 2/1/2020 at 9:58 AM, 84HuskerLaw said:

Speed on defense is critical to success.   Big and slow maybe works at the goal line or in real bad weather where footing is tough.  
hopefully we have three deep at every spot with some experience and decent size and above average speed / quickness.   Then of course the defenders have to be good fundamental tacklers.  These coaches know these things and are trying to get enough pieces on the field to play solid defense.  If they have speed then they can be much more aggressive and attack and even overplay sometimes.  Those things create TFLs and turnovers and sacks etc.  sometimes being out of position is a good thing as the offense can’t scheme as easily consistently.  But if you overplay you’ve got to be able to recover and stop the big play results.  

I can tell the koolaid is already making its sly entrance into many of us.  But this is a good post.  Other than on the Interior of the DL, I'd take speed anyday over size/strength.  Even more so in todays more spread out game, and even more so for the way we want to play defense.  We want to attack, and create big plays.  Like you pointed out nicely, this type of defense will make mistakes, and if your not fast, then when you overpursuit your gonna give up a big play.  But if your fast than you can still make mistakes or overpursuit without giving up a huge play.  Strength and size mean absolutely nothing if your not fast enough to lay hands on someone.

And we got some very fast LBs , i dont believe you necessarily have to be big to be an ILB.  Id be perfectly fine playing 4 OLBs , instead of 2 and 2.  

20 minutes ago, Decked said:

Returning pieces. We return our entire line + RB, QB, + top two WRs. I don’t agree..but that’s what it is. 
 

I say we finish 25-30:

-Better OL (Farniok at G, better C play, better OT matchups. Farniok got whipped. Not an OT. Hoping Piper makes a big jump. Boe Wilson really got a lot worse last year. Due to a new C? Maybe. 

-Mills got in a groove late. Need an explosive back. 

-Better WRs (dear god I hope). Here’s to hoping manning makes it & kicks it into high gear 

-Improvement in QB (should improve due to OL play + better OC/WR play 

 

 

If we can the type of QB play we all expect from a Frost team, we could be in the top 10 offensively.  Heck, if we had the type of QB play we thought we would have , we could have been in the top 25 offensively even last year....despite our poor OL play.  

41 minutes ago, LumberJackSker said:

It always confuses me when i hear Nebraska fans say the national media or the big 10 doesn't respect Nebraska when the off-season is filed with articles like this every year. 

Thats cause those fans that say that still think its 1998.  And if Nebraska isn't thought of in the national media as being one of the top tier programs in the country, than we are being disrespected in comparison to their beliefs on where we stand.  If i wasn't a Nebraska fan i would say Nebraska is one of the most over-rated programs in the country.  But because i live here and know who we were for so many decades, i say the national media is about right on us.  The 40 and over population of this country actually wants Nebraska back and respects Nebraska.  The under 40 crowd, or any Iowa fan probably mostly think of Nebraska in the same way they think of Iowa or Tennessee.  Who here still thinks Tennessee is a stud program?

22 hours ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

Need some big wins to seal the deals. 

This season is HUGE.  If we perform like we have so far under Frost, we won't be getting many of these guys.  If we could just play solid Bo Pelini level football , we could start getting recruiting classes in the top 10-15 with this staff.

3 hours ago, VectorVictor said:

 

1) Those other sports aren't necessarily an apples-to-apples comparison to College Football, Baksetball, or even Baseball. They're mostly non-revenue sports that don't necessarily have Pro Sports agents and money circling around them, or SEC-levels of corruption and greed to contend with.

 

2) Coaches shouldn't be able to leave without penalty to the coach and the institutions that hired them or that the coach came from. Allowing recruits from that immediate recruiting cycle to de-commit and go elsewhere without penalty would help pump the brakes on shenanigans like what happened with Dantonio and Michigan State, or with Colorado's coach leaving for MSU right after recruiting and telling everyone he was staying. Or when the coach and his side piece end up in a motorcycle accident and have to resign suddenly.

 

Unless the coach dies or retires/takes a medical leave (e.g. Jerry Kill) there should be a free pass on kids from that immediate recruiting cycle decommitting/transferring, as they've been sold a bill of goods. 

 

3) Kids can still transfer, I'm just proposing that they either sit out a year or they have the option of playing immediately by burning a year of eligibility. They all have five to play four now from the beginning, so it shouldn't be a big deal to implement this and allow for an immediate transfer. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You really hit the hammer on the bolt...perfecto

19 minutes ago, NUance said:

 

At the time he left I also thought he had good intentions.  But then within a few months of Riley being at Oregon State three pretty decent players bailed out to join him ( Tristan Gebbia, WR Tyjon Lindsey and LB Avery Roberts).  It's pretty clear that he actively recruited them to follow him to OSU.  

 

You might ask, "Did he owe us any allegiance--given we fired him?"  Well, this came at a time when we were paying him a little over $2 million per year in buy-out money.  So, yeah.  For that kind of coin you'd think he could have kept our best interests in mind.  Or at least not screwed us over.    

 

Riley isn't as nice a guy as what he appears to be in press conferences.  He'l like an evil Mr. Rogers (of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood).

People on the surface, are often not who they are at heart, sometimes better, sometimes worse.  So i get your point.  But not sure we really know Mike well enough to know.  But just cause Mike portrayed a nice image and Bo portayed a d!(k image, doesn't mean Mike is a good dude, or Bo is a bad dude at heart.  Anyways.....now we have Frost and i like him the mostest.

6 hours ago, HUSKER 37 said:

I'm still trying to figure out why I thought 2016 was Frost's first (transition) class, and 2017 was last year...Pacific standard time?

 

It's understandable Husk.  Actually I'm still trying to figure out what time zone I'm in tbh.....but it seems that whenever I look at the clock it's between 4:20 and 5:00.........  

Judging by your taste in music at least there is someone out there worse off than me though.

Wtf lol

3 hours ago, Comish said:

What's wrong with blaming Riley??

Nothing really.  Just feel the guy meant well.  I don't hate Mike.  My point was our senior and most of our junior class is weak......

Doesn't mean Riley is evil, just means i wish people understood how little Frost had when he got here.

Point is , if we suck over the next 2 years slap me in the face and call me your dog.  But if we are great by 21' than let me slap you and call you my dog. Fair enough?  

3 hours ago, FearAmeer said:

Every time my friends from other states ask me why the Huskers have been so bad I direct them right to the 2016 and 2017 classes who would of been juniors/seniors this past year. 

The last couple Riley classes really messed us up.  Im not trying to blame Riley, i am just saying our current junior and senior classes are pretty poor because of it.  

2 hours ago, runningblind said:

You can look at things objectively, while still being excited about your team.  You don't have to be scared of preseason hype, none of it matters except to fan egos.  Adjust your own expectations, you can be excited and still move on easily after losses. Learn to handle disappointment, it's a part of life.

 

Last year's schedule turned out a bit more difficult than expected in August,  5 of 7 losses were to top 35 teams in the FPI.  This year's may not prove as difficult as it seems, that happens every year. 

 

@84HuskerLaw

Frost isn't going anywhere,  he seat won't be getting hot no matter how this goes in 2020.  There shouldn't be overreactions this time as everyone,  except maybe for huskerboard zealots, should realize time has to be given.  As in 10 years + if Frost wants to be here.   If he doesn't get it done,  I doubt it happens again as only a rising coach would come after 25 or 30 years since the last title and turn NU into a stepping stone. I would expect the support to dry up if there's another failure, especially with the home grown savior.

 

We all hope it happens,  but it may not.  Oh well, life goes on.

Agree with most of your post. But i do believe that preseason hype/expectations have an effect on more than just fans.  I believe there is a mental/emotional advantage to being an underdog, and to having low expectations from the outside (not low expectations of yourself).  For one, teams and players often play to their competition to some degree.  If your rated and the world thinks your good, the opponent is more likely to be focused and ready to give it their all.  2nd of all, if your not supposed to win, there is less pressure on yourself.  In sports like football and basketball this slight edge can make a huge difference.  And plays into how their can be such big upsets in both basketball and football.  It's an advantage for SDSU against us, or Appalachian State against Michigan.  Its also why Dabo always , literally always, tries to reinforce how Clemson is just lil old Clemson, and an underdog.  And why he is always talking about how noone expects them to win , when literally most people expect them to win.

Also, i'm not sure @84HuskerLaw was saying Frost would be gone if he doesn't do well this year or next.  I believe he was just saying that if Frost doesnt do much better next year, it is likely that he wont ever do as well as we hoped.  As having another season with no improvement would be an indicator that Frost just isn't the guy right now, and wont all of a sudden turn into that guy within 5 more years.  I think we agree that this season will say quite a bit about Frost and where this is going.