Lorewarn
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4 hours ago, Hilltop said:
I'm sure the Oregon fan base felt the same about Mariota who didn't have offers from any big names. Or 3 star Lamar Jackson who went on to win the Heisman at Lousville. Most schools interested in him didn't want him to be a QB. I'm sure fans at UCF didn't think much of 2 star McKenzie Milton. Johnny Manziel is another 3 star with a short offer list who didn't look like much on paper. Taylor Martinez was a 3 star that nobody expected much from.
Not all great QBs come with a 4 star plus profile. Staffs target who they like and secrets are pretty tough to keep at Nebraska. If we were after a big name, it would be plastered everywhere. We targeted those two guys because we wanted them. We liked their character, their skill set, and the staff feels either could be the guy at some point in the future.
Slamming a kid like Torres who hasn't even set foot on our field yet is a pretty crappy thing for a fan to do imo.
Calm down, dude. You didn't answer my question and I didn't slam anyone. I was asking a question that didn't get answered.
The reason I was asking the question was because the other guy was arguing that since we wanted these quarterbacks, that's proof that we're not getting "leftovers" on the recruiting trail. All I was trying to get at is that that doesn't leave room for understanding that our wanted targets change and downgrade as our ability to recruit top talent gets less and less doable.
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59 minutes ago, Nebraska55fan said:
every $16 million increase will mean $1 per team in additional revenue.
You sure about that?
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Didn't know they had media days at lucas oil stadium this year, that's cool. A bit confused though as I thought I saw local beat writers tweeting that they were flying to Chicago?
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15 minutes ago, Nebraska55fan said:
Texas will be out if there are 4 no votes.
A&M and Arky are hard nos.
Missouri is a likely no.
Vandy might be a no to protect their baseball dominant position.
LSU may say no- they LIKE playing Bama every year- with new divisions they may not.
Georgia and Florida might NOT want to be in the same division as Bama. They may say NO as would possibly others in the East looking to advance to the Championship game.
Would be hilarious to see Texas crawling back on its knees to the BIG12
IF TExas was to make it into the SEC- I wonder if the Refs would job them like they did to Bos team against A&M in the last league game- a Crime.
Championships and having a tough division in football are not reasons for them to say no compared to the stranglehold and bargaining power they will have for absurd amounts of money.
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44 minutes ago, Hilltop said:
They are QBs we sought out, right or wrong, that visited us and committed prior to giving anyone much of a chance.
Did we seek them out because they were the guys we wanted above ALL other quarterbacks, or did we seek them out because they were the best we thought we could realistically get?
No way to know for sure, but I feel fairly confident that at least Torres would never be a Nebraska commit if we were winning 11-12 games a year.
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57 minutes ago, Toe said:
@Lorewarn Neither did literally anyone else. Would be kinda hard to, considering that such a situation has never happened.
5 minutes ago, Hilltop said:We haven't tried to recruit anyone since other than Haarberg. He had 16 offers and interest from several top schools including Clemson, Oregon, K state etc.. He choose not to take any of them up on visits so who knows. His only official visit was to Nebraska. That's not the definition of a leftover. I'll agree that recruiting will get harder if we don't start winning but our recruiting hasn't suffered yet. We have plenty of talent on the roster to win.
The point @hunter49 is making is that we will struggle to attract top talent the more/longer we're a bad team. It's not hard to see this, or see the evidence for it.
2018 - Adrian Martinez, with offers from 26+ teams including Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio State
2020 - Logan Smothers, with offers from Ohio State, Ole Miss, Louisville, Austin Peay, South Alabama, Southern Miss, Tennessee Tech, Troy, UAB
2021 - Heinrich Haarberg, with offers from Vanderbilt, Buffalo, Boston College, Central Michigan, Illinois State, McNeese State, North Carolina State, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, Ohio
2022 - Richard Torres, with offers from Kansas State, San Diego State, Tulsa, UNLV, Utah, and Washington State
It's not hard to see that as we stack up more and more subpar seasons, our ability to attract quarterback talent is falling.
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8 minutes ago, RedDenver said:
Really? Looks about the same, maybe closer to the P12 schools.
CU to:
Utah: 354 mi
Arizona St: 603
Arizona: 640
Cal: 929
Nebraska: 446
Minnesota: 688
Iowa: 718
NW: 919
Boulder to San Francisco (Pac-12 headquarters) is 1249 miles. Boulder to Rosemont, IL (B1G headquarters) is 1,017 miles.
Still, Colorado would be way more of an ugly duckling stepchild fit in the B1G than they currently are in the Pac-12. They should just join the Mountain West
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3 hours ago, Hilltop said:
Adrian Martinez - offers from 26+ teams including Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio State. Definitely seems like a leftover smh.
Logan Smothers - Offers from 10+ teams including Ohio State, Ole Miss, and would have had more big names but he shut his recruiting down very early to commit to us. Definitely seems like a leftover.
Adrian and Logan didn't commit after four straight losing seasons by this staff.
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4 hours ago, J-MAGIC said:
Connelly is projecting them 16th, which would be Ferentz's third- or fourth-best team.
You mean finishing ranked 16th? That would make them Ferentz's eighth-best team.
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4 hours ago, MyBloodIsRed16 said:
Luke Reimer, yikes! but man can he hit.
Her hair is way too long. As an alpha male, I will get way more chicks than she will. I bet she even plays Dungeons & Dragons
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4 hours ago, admo said:
A system quarterback is a marginal player. He relies on the talent around him, for the team to be successful.
I guess per what the actual term is, I define a system player as someone who relies on the system around him to be successful, not the talent around him.
Isn't the whole point of the concept of a system player that the system is designed to make up for the deficiencies in talent?
Crouch didn't rely on the talent around him to be successful, but the system was absolutely 100% a major factor in him being successful. He wouldn't have started or even played as a quarterback at Miami or Florida.
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This is total nonsense and just daydreaming, but if the B1G went to a 16 team super conference I'd like to see it like so:
Get rid of rutgers and maryland and add Pitt and Notre Dame (you add solid historic rivalries for PSU/Mich/MSU and keep your same current number of AAU schools). Then go after Kansas and Missouri, who are both also AAU schools. You don't cheapen the football product at all, you greatly strengthen a number of other sports, and you maintain enough of a geographical/cultural consistency that it seems to fit and make sense.
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1 hour ago, RichardHangslow said:
It would be great if they SEC took OU and Okie Lite. and left texass holding their Richard.
Why do you want texas to hold you Richard?
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I don't understand why either school would want that, honestly. I mean sure their tv rights suck (well, Texas has the LHN still) and their conference is in the bottom half of the P5, but Texas gets to throw its weight around way disproportionately and Oklahoma has an almost guaranteed playoff spot each year. What do they gain, a little bit of extra money?
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36 minutes ago, admo said:
A system quarterback, huh? I might have to disagree
(also, you may want to mute the music with the first video; You definitely want to mute music at 4:50 if you're around anyone. I'm ok with it though)
I'm curious what your definition of a system quarterback is? That second video has people literally saying he was essentially a runningback playing quarterback.
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2 hours ago, Hilltop said:
I get you but he is right. So much more goes into it- right team, right position, win loss record, media, etc... It is widely thought, even outside of Nebraska, that Suh was the best player the year he should have won it. I think it's more of a popularity contest than a true vote for who is the best based on individual merits alone.
2 hours ago, J-MAGIC said:I completely agree it is a narrative-based award but I assumed all the narrative stuff was included when we're discussing someone's "college career". The suggestion here seemed to be that Crouch's Heisman is somehow lesser because he didn't go on to NFL success as other winners did. Maybe I'm misunderstanding Loewarn and if I am my bad.
Y'all missed my point.
The Heisman is an award for a season, not a career.
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3 hours ago, Nebraska55fan said:
It's based solely on the merits of the players college career.
No it's not.
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2 hours ago, J-MAGIC said:
Personally I think it's cool a player on my team won the Heisman. I was 9 years old when Crouch won and I though he ruled and was the coolest person alive. If people want to be upset one of our players won an award over Rex Grossman or Ken Dorsey I guess that's a thing you can think but I truly couldn't care less.
Who's upset?
57 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:As he should get a lot of admiration. But, these conversations that include him always end up with comments like..."yeah....and he's the worst Heisman winner ever". Like, him winning the trophy was something to be disgusted about.
I love Eric Crouch, he's one of my all time favorite players, I frequently go back and watch highlights of him and even full games, I'm happy he won the Heisman, and he's also the most underwhelming Heisman winner in the modern era.
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5 minutes ago, YetiJR said:
My only kickback is that the price of these movies need to be severely adjusted. We went, as well and saw Black Widow for $12. In comparison, Disney+ is asking $30 for the movie.
I do think we'll continue to see a resurgence in driver in theaters.
On the other hand, HBO Max is premiering all of its theatrical releases at the same time for no additional cost than what you already pay for the subscription. I've seen Wonder Woman 1984, the new Space Jam, and 2-3 other films on release day in my home theater for no additional cost and it rules.
I still love theaters though.
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31 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:
I just don't get it. It's like there are some Husker fans that are pissed that he even won it.
Just admitting it for what it is.
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On 7/12/2021 at 3:31 PM, Nebraska55fan said:
it's exactly what Ive been saying was going to happen all along.
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I had another auto-audio playing ad just now. I couldn't find which one was doing it, but it said "Power Store" in it and by googling I'm assuming it's related to Dell. It was on a covid thread in the politics forum
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I'm sure Crouch's playing weight was significantly higher than his weight as a meager old civilian the last 15+ years, for whatever that's worth.
It's also worth noting he's mostly the consensus worst Heisman winner in modern history, but nonetheless, he was a warrior and a rare talent. I'd say TM or AM would transition better into Crouch's offense than he would be able to transition into theirs, though.
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Adrian Martinez
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First of all I didn't say that at all, I asked a question about whether or not we think that's true. I did say he probably wouldn't be a Husker commit if we were winning a lot more, which I think is true, but I fail to see how that's a SLAM.
Landry Jones wasn't as good of a quarterback as Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray or Jalen Hurts after him. Wow, I slammed Landry Jones so hard. I feel bad for slamming that kid.
It's more, "Well guys, we haven't done good lately so we have to adjust our strategy a bit because some of these top guys we'd love to have just aren't interested in coming here. What's the best prospect we can realistically get?"
Do you not think that recruiting strategy changes based on the coaching staff's perception of who they're going to get?
Go boot up NCAA14, start a franchise with Kansas, and sell out all your recruiting energy on the absolute top talent that's out there.