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13 minutes ago, 84HuskerLaw said:

Exactly.  Hire a top ten HC.  Period. 10’million whatever.  No More experiments. No more 10 year hope it works rebuilding projects.  

Half the top 10 coaches are not leaving their positions. The other half are still gambles.

5 hours ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

It's very problematic if the good guys unilaterally disarm and the criminal doesn't.

At war with a villain, you can't call a truce
You put down your weapon but now he's got two
A liar's a liar, take him at his word
Forever rebelling against the absurd

Desperate Pleasures - Every Time I Die

2 hours ago, The Whale said:

Best back we’ve had since Ahman Green. If only our OL was at least average in talent and effort.

The absolute disrespect to multiple NFL players between 1997 and now after two games against Northwestern and North Dakota

Your takes are great entertainment

There's no actual evidence Scott took over playcalling. It's just a typical antsy fanbase finding things to be antsy about.

People see the quarterback run twice and us run the football more against an outmanned FCS team and turn it into a mountain of controversy

2 hours ago, The Whale said:

Scott Frost was Head Coach at nothing UCF, AND he played for TO, so OF COURSE he’s qualified to lead a Big Ten football program. (Maybe 2-3 of the Big Ten bottom dwellers would have hired him, but none in the top 70% of the conference would have).

45 minutes ago, The Whale said:

At the time of his hire here, Frost was not a “proven” head coach. He had one good season leading a nothing team from a nothing conference. Hiring him was a huge gamble.

Mark Dantonio had three years experience as a head coach going 18-17 at Cincinnati before being hired by MSU, who is in the top 70% of the conference.

PJ Fleck was head coach at nothing Western Michigan before getting hired

James Franklin only had three years experience at lowly Vanderbilt before getting hired at near-blue-blood PSU

Jim Tressel had never even coached in the FBS and had a 3 win season in year 10 at Youngstown State before he went to OSU

Paul Chryst only had three years experience going .500 at Pitt 

Bret Bielema had zero years head coaching experience 

So sorry but what the f#&% are you talking about? Every head coaching hire except for like 5 people is a huge gamble. Even with experience it's still a huge gamble (Rich Rod at Michigan says hello)

9 hours ago, Farms said:

In Casey’s presser in reference to the read option: “Sometimes we call but it, it’s meant to look like an option but it’s just a straight hand off”.

That really doesn’t make sense to me. Why would you run the play and not actually make a read. Are you trying to set up the defense? Just seems dumb if the DE crashes down that you’re committed to handing it off knowing it’s not going anywhere why even make it look like a read?

Osborne never ran a true triple option. Every time we handed it to the fullback was a designed call, not a read.

5 hours ago, Red Five said:

 

Don't let @The Scarlet Pimpernelsee this. We need a SPLASH hire that has a NAME that everybody knows so we can get the CROOTS!

4 hours ago, whateveritis1224 said:

I think the problem is that Targeting can be called in addition to PF: Defenseless player and Roughing the Passer penalties. So the refs reviewed the targeting penalties (both of which were borderline, but have definitely been called as such in the past) and found that they didn't meet each indicator for targeting. The problem was, they didn't call each foul as including defenseless player or roughing the passer penalties, so the team got screwed out of penalties that should have been called in both instances.

The problem is that those weren't borderline.

Targeting is either leading with the crown of the helmet, or forcible contact to the head/neck area of a defenseless player. A receiver in the air is defenseless, as is a quarterback in a throwing motion. Both players got hit with forcible contact to their heads. 

11 hours ago, Packerhuskerfan said:

Stupid time outs before half this week as well gives ND a TD.

That couldn't be any further from true.

I learned that they apparently changed the targeting rule in the offseason because we had two times that a player got targeted by the definition of the rule we've known for the last 9 years and neither was determined to be targeting.

19 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

Caught red-handed and no way to spin it would leave Trump supporters with a clear black or white choice

Oh,  you sweet naive, hopeful man

No officer don't check my baby's crib. When has my baby ever been known to be involved in my drug empire to make it probable my baby's crib would be hiding contraband?

It's exceptionally weird when right wing anti-establishment populist types side against the children and families who have been lied to and manipulated and trapped by the government and establishment.

Why are we talking about this? 

There's no evidence that the FBI touched Melania's underwear. At least not in this thread. All we have is a gossip column claiming that they searched her bedroom and closet (without a source), and then claiming that "a pal" said "...Who knows who touched her underwear during the raid?"

Even those mocking it are embarrassingly giving it more legitimacy than it deserves.

9 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

In some cases, the idea of sharing resources and cause for the common good is just the basic compact of civilization, not an adherence to Marxism. I'm not sure how the Far Right equivalent works, as it advocates for individual self-determination free of government interference, while also endorsing group behavior, often at the expense of another weaker group.

On the right side, the idea of self-determination and endorsing group behavior at the expense of a weaker group is in some ways a primary biological instinct of social primates. 

9 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

I will stand by my observation that the US has far less of what is considered Far Left than much of the world. Certainly since the 1930s.

I agree with this. But I will also say, the undercurrent paradigms at work in much of the center of left-wing activism, especially on behalf of popular marginalized groups, is foundationally built on a far-left lens, whether the folks taking part believe it or not and whether or not it's couched in language of love and helping out the vulnerable. 

Marxism and it's worldview have a very attractive elevator pitch, and don't seem "far left" until the hindsight of history shows us the cost. That's part of the problem; "far left" is hard to identify and quantify as too far in the present tense.

5 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

What are we talking about in terms of far left ideologies?

 

I think gay marriage was extremely radical just 15 years ago, but has folded into the mainstream remarkably quickly. Transgender issues take it to another level: they are confusing and polarizing, but at the core they simply ask you to accept a person's most personal decision and basic human right. A trans person may otherwise hold conservative views, like Caitlyn Jenner. 

 

The black lives matter movement may seem to lean far left, but it's mostly demanding the level playing field promised two generations ago by generally centrist presidents and politicians. I'd say Reparations and Kill the Pigs qualifies as far left, but it wields no immense social power, more likely the opposite. 

 

f#&% the Rich? That's far left. But fighting the wealth gap isn't. The fact that any attempt to tax the rich or protect the poor is framed as radical left by the mainstream right kinda proves the point. 

 

Does Hollywood, television, popular music and pop culture in general lean liberal?  Sure. Far left?  Not even close.

 

For the most part in modern America, liberals and conservatives eat at the same table, benefit from the same systems in place, bribe the same lobbyists, and enjoy the same freedoms and creature comforts.  

 

Elsewhere in the world you'll find competitive political parties and social movements that are unapologetically Marxist. Outside of my daughter's private all women's college, there is little of this in America.

 

At the moment the Far Right is thrilled by the course America is taking. The Far Left is appalled. And you don't have to be far left to agree with them.

 

Are you sure you don't simply mean liberal ideologies?

You're editorializing the kindest interpretation of movements and applying it as if it's the foundational truth across a big diverse spectrum of folks that make up trans rights/BLM/etc.

Which, I mostly agree with, but for example you can't do that and then contrast it to examples in the rest of the world being unapologetically marxist. Foundational parts of some of the communities involving BLM/trans activism/critical race scholars/etc. are also unapologetically Marxist.

Even leftist movements which aren't explicitly linked to some marxist origins still practice some heavy marx-inspired-but-rebranded worldviews and tactics of class (read, privilege or race) warfare and denying the concept of individuals and objectivity in favor of any person being a subjective, representative avatar of their respective power dynamic. 

1 hour ago, mrandyk said:

I'm completely out if Urban came to town. Character is worth something. Proved himself to be an absolute POS at Florida, at Ohio State, and even in the NFL. I don't need a saint, but I'm not giving my money to satan.

I would have some major conflicts staying on as a fan. I'd probably find some way to justify it, as Urban seems like he's more of an a$$h@!e than a monster, but it'd take some mental gymnastics for me personally.

7 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

 

Well, considering all the teams that have won the national championship during the BCS era have had multiple Top 15 classes including at least 1 in the Top 10 in the years leading up to their championships, and we've won zero championships of any kind during that period, yeah, I'd say it's slightly important.

 

As for Riley:

 

2015: #30

2016: #26

2017: #23

 

He wasn't exactly setting the world on fire in recruiting. 

 

He was also Mike Riley.

Look, there is no realistic path to a national championship for us. Sorry but there isn't. That's not even a knock on Nebraska, although it is harder for us than many. That's more the reality that the top talent is more concentrated than it ever has been (even Oklahoma, as consistent of a top 10 program as you can find over the last decade, isn't even close), and the best course of action for an AD is to get a coach who will build a strong foundation, find success, capitalize on the success (ie, wins turn into exposure turn into higher returns on recruiting), and then wait and hope for the stars to align some year.

It's not hard. Look at the evidence. All of the Nebraska head coaches with brand name value and recruiting hype over the last 20 years failed spectacularly, and all of the coaches who were focused on building found much more success.

11 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

The biggest problem with the center/left (there is nothing close to the Far Left in power)

I'd push back on this.

Maybe politically that's true, but there's certainly immense social power in far left ideologies in modern America

3 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

What?  So, when Walks makes the statement that it's "both sides", nobody is allowed to point out that one side is way worse than the other and the cause of most of the divisiveness?

I think at this point the "THEY'RE NOT EQUALLY AS BAD" retort is boring, predictable, TRUE, and also effectively shutting down any chance at a conversation of getting into the meat of the not-as-bad side.

I say this as someone who's offered that response plenty of times.

6 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

Barely cracking the Top 25 in recruiting — and I’m pretty sure he only did that once — isn’t “fine” in my opinion. I’d like to see Top 15-20 classes as the norm, and with the right coaching staff in place I think it can be accomplished.

Yeah he was recruiting top 25 classes as Mike Riley - an old man nobody had ever heard of that didn't inspire confidence.

Your obsessive hard-on for recruiting is hilarious 

Most of us had to google who Mike Riley was when he was announced as our coach.

He did fine recruiting.

4 minutes ago, Alamo City Husker said:

Comparing the league back then, the conferences, and rules; let alone the fanbases, social media, NIL so many other tangibles that cannot be extrapolated for a fare comparison. BTW you know exactly that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking with the firing hysteria, and this incessant privileged winning attitude. I'm old enough to remember when the fanbase didn't complain after one loss in a season online anonymously. 

It's one loss that is showing too many of the same fundamentally broken trends of self-sabotage by our head coach that we have seen for four years before that one loss.

Incessant privileged winning attitude? What the f#&% are you talking about? Frost averages 3 wins per year. It's not privileged whining to expect more than three wins a year. THREE.

Still waiting for you to give me an example of a really good coach who had 15 wins in 5 seasons.

38 minutes ago, Alamo City Husker said:

Be careful what you wish for. I'm old enough to remember what happened that last time Husker fans wanted to do that.

You remember the last time Husker fans wanted to get rid of a coach who had 15 wins in 5 years? When was that?

38 minutes ago, Alamo City Husker said:

I'm more happy that we got a Nebraska guy at coach and AD. Something we had been lacking since Osborne IMHO. Wins will come with that foundation. I guess I have more patience than you all. 

You just admitted to being more happy that a Nebraska guy is the coach than you would be being a decent football team. Weird priorities but if that's honest to you then kudos I guess. Can you give me an example of any other time for any other program ever that wins eventually came after 5 years of averaging 3 wins per year? 

37 minutes ago, Alamo City Husker said:

Again, I just think it's funny that Osborne gets a 20 year pass with a fluff schedule. But Frost gets belittled and crucified after 5. I get it, you all want Barabbas. 

Osborne won 9+ games a year. Osborne beat bad teams, and he also beat good teams too ('72 Notre Dame ranked 12th, '73 UCLA ranked 9th, '74 Florida ranked 12th, etc. etc. etc.). Osborne won championships. Osborne went to bowl games. 

23 minutes ago, Alamo City Husker said:

Not at all. They weren't Native Sons, nor did they try to understand the fans. Scott was raised in it. He knows it.  

I was raised in it too. Doesn't mean I'd be a good head coach. You were obviously raised in it too. Does that make you qualified to be the coach?

I'll ask again. Can you name me any coach in the last 80 years of football who had 15 wins in their first five years and was a really good coach?

1 hour ago, Hilltop said:

He wasn't perfect but he played well enough for us to win.    

Did I jump into a time machine back to 2019 or 2020 or 2021?