Jeremy

Additionally, Fleck just canned his OC. I wonder what direction they will take their offense now?

Carousel related: LSU making a strong push for Brian Kelly. Not a pick I saw them going for, but could be interesting.

4 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

Which would bum me out, and would be weird considering that Torres and Haarberg aren't that kind of QB.

 

You got Smothers. He can do it really well. But if he goes down, then what?

 

Then it's like the opposite of when Smothers or McNuggets have come in when Martinez is injured; then we have a modified game plan of more of like the "Mack Brown at Texas" spread offense scheme for those games?

I think there's enough room in the offense for a QB that isn't quick like Smothers. McCall did a lot to make it go - he's very much a dual threat. Conversely, Coastal's level of play did drop markedly when McCall when down, so you do have a point there.

1 minute ago, Undone said:

 

Pretty unimportant corrections honestly. As in, using Toure back there in the orbit versus the small ways (and small percentage of plays called per game) in the way they do it doesn't make me go "Holy f****** s***, Willy Korn is going to change everything!!!!11"

 

I've said since the announcement of the four firings: I doubt we really change the scheme much from what we've been doing.

 

The offensive line is a much, much bigger fish to fry than our scheme. That, and QB play that leads to inopportune turnovers.

Can't argue with any of that. I would posit that if 1)Frost truly hands the reins over to Korn (if he's the guy), and 2)the offensive line is blocking better than they did this year, we'll be running A LOT more option than we have under Frost so far.

4 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

Yeah. Their offense isn't really that much different than exactly what we did this season. I mean, even Martinez ran a fair bit of option this year. They run their option out of the spread, unlike Osborne's.

 

So, Korn would be a fit to keep that going.

 

Personally I think we will spin our wheels forever with these Taylor Martinez, Tommy Armstrong "run-first, pass-second" types of QBs. The obvious exception is if we started getting the dual threat guys who are actual threats when they throw the ball - like Joe Ganz or McKenzie Milton.

 

I don't have much confidence about our offense putting any more points on the board next season than this one with either Martinez or Smothers back there.

You're mostly right, with a few important exceptions. CC used a lot of 21 personnel, with 2 backs beside and/or behind the QB. They do the orbit motion that Frost picked up, but CC primarily runs triple with 2 actual running backs. Personally, I think this would be more effective.

32 minutes ago, Undone said:

I think Bill Busch can get it done if he's named a position coach and can then have direct player contact.

 

Resource-wise this could wind up being an extremely good move if there's any truth to the rumor of Busch getting the promotion.

 

And just my opinion but I'm thinking that if Mickey Joseph really does come in and coach WR, the program probably has no real plans of running Air Force's scheme like quite a few fans seem to think is an actual possibility.

 I never figured we had much more than a slim chance at running service academy stuff, if I'm one of the people you're referring to; wishful thinking on my part, more than anything. 

However, comma:

There's some twitter smoke about Korn. Apparently he's very recently started following some Husker players and media people...

2 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Same with the QB recruiting under Riley.  Looking for totally different skill sets.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Tanner Farmer and O'Brien. If we're going away from mobile QBs, our running game will need to improve, because we'll definitely need play action to get people open. I've been pretty clear on where I want the offense to go, but if we could get a game-manager like McNamara, we could at least sustain multiple drives a game. That would do wonders overall.

9 minutes ago, theknife said:

Liam Coen, OC for Kentucky! Wandale is coming home!  

Ah, maybe because Oklahoma is poaching Stoops from UK?

10 minutes ago, captain_sasquatch said:

This is my favorite time of year. Inject the flight trackers into my veins.

 

Only missing the sock puppet and the aquarium guy. Then we're set!

This is the off-season content I'm here for.  Next thing you know, there'll be another Tressel sighting on campus.

1 minute ago, ColoradoHusk said:

NU really hasn't "tried" to recruit a pass first QB very often and let him be QB long enough to succeed.  Just because NU hasn't tried to recruit those guys, doesn't mean they can't get those QB's to come to NU.

Well, we did try from '04 - '07, and we got Zac Taylor (pretty good, admittedly. Not great.), Harrison Beck (huge bust), Sam Keller (eh), and Joey Ganz. I would agree that another Ganz-level guy would take us pretty far in this type of offense. Maybe Caleb Williams?

Just now, Huskers93-97 said:

Not sure but with early signing in 2 weeks I would think it would be ASAP. Also while all these other programs are trying to pin down their head coach we need to lock down the assistants we want. Less competition right now.

This is pretty much what I was thinking. It seems the longer it takes, the worse off we'll be, like in late '03, early '04.

9 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

There are several possibilities that exist to actually get to 7 wins next season by making good decisions in the offseason.

 

The litmus test for me on whether or not he gets it is whether Bill Busch gets promoted to an actual ST coach so he can do on-field coaching, or if we bring in a tried and true ST coach for the position.

 

This is off topic to the thread, but I also think we need a throw-first QB out of the portal. There has to be some kid that got cut from a Texas Tech or a Washington out there that can roughly do what McKenzie Milton did in the quick-decision passing game for UCF in 2017. Just has to be.

I wish you were right, but history shows that we aren't going to get a Milton in Lincoln. Our last decent passer was who, Ganz?

Does anyone know if there's some kind of time frame here? Like, when does Frost have to get these guys, whoever they are, picked, hired, and out recruiting?

57 minutes ago, Undone said:

Damn, amazing write-up. Good summary here also:

 

 

S*** coaching gets guys into a situation where they're not doing it like this guy describes it, there is no other better explanation.

 

By the way, @Cdog923, I think you were one of the only people calling for 4-8 prior to the season. Or maybe I'm remembering that wrong? If it was you, you were more right than just about anybody else on the board.   

I saw 5 wins being the most likely outcome, and it's sad that I was too optimistic in that. I thought our linebackers were too young and wouldn't be ready for B1G play when Honas went down. 

But there is no excuse for getting a punt blocked like that in that situation. I'm in complete agreement that crap coaching is mostly to blame.

3 minutes ago, HuskerNation1 said:

I have seen Brumfield mentioned a few places for the ST position...

 

 

 

Be nice to steal a guy away from Virginia and Mendenhall, after that depressing Hail Mary BYU got on us when Bronco was their coach...

50 minutes ago, Dano564 said:

Can't count on you guys for anything...

 

Blocked punt?

Really?

 

Zero second half points?

Really?

 

 

We scored in the 3rd quarter. It was actually a really good drive, too. After that, nothing. Meltdown. Good luck in the bowl game, goofers.

Just now, SouthLincoln Husker said:

He also had success at other stops.  I did not see any p5 stops.  None of this matters without a good oline coach..

Can't argue with that. Only name I've heard of there is Garrison.

2 minutes ago, SouthLincoln Husker said:

Wins mean nothing.  How good is the offense, is the offense balanced, do they have any other coaching success at other stops & style of offense.  

The offenses at Army, Air Force, and Coastal are all pretty good to very good. Coastal is the only 'balanced' offense, and they've all  had success for several years at their current position.

5 hours ago, ZRod said:

You're talking yourself in circles, and confusing scheme with coaching and technique. It's been apparent since the first game of the year that our Oline has been poorly coached and has poor discipline. You can find me harping on it all season long. What you want is a killer instinct and hard-nosed attitude from the Oline. Any scheme can achieve that, every coach cannot, and the coach has been fired so we are not going to continue down the same path.

 

 

We don't run the same offense we did 17 years ago. Why are you comparing that offense to this offense which is more run oriented?

 

We can clearly recruit talented RBs, decent QBs, excellent TEs, good WRs, and sizeable linemen. The missing piece has always been coaching, be it at the top or at the position level. Why would you tear everything down when you are competing with the top teams in the country every week and holding your own despite horrible discipline and piss poor special teams. We need to fix the real issues, not cut our arm off because we smashed our finger in the door.

 

Our struggles in the RedZone highlight our lack of Oline development, as do the amount of penalties and sacks. Fixing the Oline could easily lead to 1 or 2 more TDs per game and a trip to Indy. Even if you don't want to believe it this team is insanely close to being exactly what we want it to be, and that's what's made it so painful this year.

This might have been true, but Frost fired 4 guys on the offensive side of the ball. That's almost the definition of 'cutting your arm off.' He's even quoted as saying that he's going a different direction with the offense. I hope you're right, and all that's needed is some better coaching, but I see bigger problems than that. We've recruited well, but not nearly as well as Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, and now Wisconsin. Looking ahead, the recruiting isn't going so great. 

Air Force has 9 wins, and was very close to making it to the MWC championship game. Army has 8, and probably 9 after they beat up the Middies. Coastal has 10 wins. Any of these guys would drastically improve our offense.

Sean Snyder would be a good get. Success in special teams at both KSU and USC. 

I have a bad feeling that Frost and Co. have literally no clue who they're going to get at offensive coordinator or OL coach. This might get ugly.

56 minutes ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

What type of offense we run doesn't determine whether or not we are successful. It's the coaches and players that determine whether or not the team succeeds.

 

Ffs, no one recalls that Callahan had two winning seasons with the West Coast Offense. Or that Osborne ran a pro style offense in the 70's.

 

Being one dimensional only helps your opponent.

I absolutely disagree with that. If we run the ball, move the sticks, work the clock, then Iowa doesn't get the ball back, and we win. Callahan's 2 winning seasons is the standard? Callahan, really? 

Osborne's 'pro-style' offense was still, at most, 30% pass. I would LOVE that kind of offense now. 

He also went away from the 'pro-style' because Oklahoma was KILLING us with the Wishbone.

11 minutes ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

That is on the offensive line and the coaches. Good thing we canned our O-Line coach eh? 

Hey, if they come out next year running this stuff and put points on the board, I'll be the first to shut up and eat crow while doing it. I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely.

3 minutes ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

It absolutely is absurd.

 

It's my opinion that folks who want us to run all the time simply want Osborne's 90's offense back. They seem to think that is the only way we've been successful while forgetting that same coach ran a pro style offense in 70 and 71. In the 70's we were sending quarterbacks to the NFL. Tagge, Ferragamo and Humm (probably forgetting a couple) at the least.

The 'pro-style' offense from the 70's was still very much run-heavy. We passed, at most, 30% of the time. Don't forget that Osborne switched to an option-style look with Turner Gill because he was sick of being beat by Oklahoma and their option offense.

I don't want Osborne's 90's offense back because he's the only one who could really coach it. But there are plenty of guys who coach good, ground-based offensive attacks out there today.

5 minutes ago, Husker_Bohunk said:

How many teams in the B1G 10 run more than 70% of the time and what significant achievements have they made with their offense?

 

Looking at Army's record it looks like they lost both of those games. That isn't doing well in my book and in fact I'd call that losing which is exactly what we don't want for our team.

Who cares what other B1G teams are doing? What significant achievements has Nebraska made with this 23 pts/game offense?

Army did lose, but they did better than Nebraska with WAY less talent in comparison. That's the point. If Army can roll into Ann Arbor or Madison and put themselves in a position to win, with their talent level, why couldn't we do better while utilizing their scheme? We have much bigger and faster guys than they do. Who says we don't roll over teams?

We had 129 yards rushing against Iowa. We're never going to win anything with 129 yards.