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Nice snarky reply. I normally enjoy talking football with the fine folks on this board, but apparently there are bullies here who are anti-Catholic or are intolerant of differing viewpoints (dare mention of other viewpoint is slippery slope lol). My teaching to the "class": Go back a re-read my comment. It said: 'from conception TO natural death" that implies respect for human life at all stages of life. I'll be sticking to other venues where hatred isn't so prevalent with its members. Never thought I'd get this level of bashing from Husker fans and I am sure when I sign off you'll continue the anti-catholic bashing and be proud of it.

Taught by whom?

It's a voluntary mission trip paid by the students/parents. Pro life (conception to natural death) is one of the many ministries of the Catholic church (and other churches I assume) and is taught from a loving and prayerful perspective. Unfortunately, when people think of pro life they associate radical anti-abortion activities with this ministry.

Didn't mean to cause issue, the facts are radical groups support(ed) both presidents. You should be able to mention both sides.

I guess so but I really pay no attention to KKK or NN as they are a spit in the Ocean of Trump supporters just as the Black Panthers or other radical groups outwardly supported Obama. I guess it depends how offended you are by those fringe groups.

Prepping became popular after Obama took office. The Montana land thing was just a rumor started out of fear.

Sad state of America then especially when you read reports of Americans, people supporting our president (not the Cov Cath kids) being assaulted just for wearing that hat.

There was a group of people called "preppers" who prepped for end of America. There was a TV reality show about them. Prepping supply companies popped up. There were stories that the Obama administration purchased land in Montana to imprison the religious right.

Agree but would change to since Obama took office (just flipped flopped). Remember the preppers who thought Obama was the anti-Christ? Our country has been divided since 2008

So where Chiefs fans yesterday. The NFL should outlaw that. I think the kids were in the middle of their school chants they do at their sporting events and a few did the tomahawk cheer as the elder was beating his drum as that is common at sporting events these days. I guess you would need to ask the kids what their intent was.

I guess that's is on the parents and teachers then and they shouldn't have them wear a hat that states Make America Great bc that is akin to a white robe. Knowing many of the parents, they would never want to have their kids promote white supremist ideas and wearing a hat that offends. I guess we have to be very careful today not to offend other with our outfits.

I'd have to look at video again but there were 10-15 kids in Maga hats out of the 100+ kids. From I am told from my friends, they were purchased while site seeing in DC and their parents didn't send them there in MAGA hats.

This is an annual trip for the March for Life Rally on anniversary of Roe vs Wade in Jan 1973. There are usually parent, teacher and pastor chaperones and I do not recall any past issues. My guess is they were at the wrong place at the wrong time with these protestors. They picked unfortunate meeting place to load the buses and head back to Ky. The March for Life has been going on since 1974. It is a peaceful and prayer 1-2 days. It is definitely not "designed to disrupt the Women's March" which started 3 years ago. The March for Life has nothing to do with MLK, it is a protest on the anniversary of Roe vs Wade

Yes, they got permission from a chaperone to do their school chants to drown out the racial slurs and other insults thrown at them. Cov cath chants are not mean spirited in any fashion. My guess is there were only so many adults per number of kids and there was obviously a lot going on (cant be everywhere all the time). The interaction with the elder was only a minute or so and unfortunately the adult was not close enough to that interaction to step in. In hindsight there probably should have been more adults around but Cov Cath and other Diocese of Covington schools have sent groups to DC for years without major incident (that I am aware of) (my kids have gone there btw) and felt the number of adults was appropriate. My guess is the Diocese will have further guidelines for future DC trips. That is, how students and chaperone should deal with protestors or people yelling anti-Catholic insults at them.

Just to add some more info to this ugly situation. While not on the front lines, I have several friends that are Cov Cath alumni and/or their boys attend there currently and a couple were at the March 4 Life rally. My son would have attended Cov Cath if not for a work relocation. My friends were calling for the truth and both sides to be heard at the inception and were met with vile & condemning remarks. The news headlines labeled the 17 year old as "mocking" "taunting" "intimidating". I have seen twitter posts with the kid's picture that said "the most punchable face in America". People attacking the kids said "he looked smug" or "he looked" this or that. Do people know how wrong that is? He is 17 and most of the kids I knew that go to that school live a pretty sheltered life (middle to upper middle class) and in his statement said he had never encountered a protest situation. He looked uncomfortable and just smiled for a couple seconds at the Indian Elder. His statement said by smiling he wanted the elder to know he meant no harm. My son is 14 and in high school and I am 100% sure that if someone came up to him in that situation, he would have just stood there listening to the drum beat hoping an adult would step in and help. What led to the elder and his drum were the black Hebrew group hurling insults at the boys waiting for their bus. Now, when you have 100 or so teens waiting around, I am sure they were not sitting there quietly admiring the scenery. They probably were loud and to adults seemed like obnoxious teens. The black Hebrew groupl called the boys "crackers" "incest babies" "racist" and called one of the black Cov Cath students the N word. In response, the boys asked an adult for permission to do school cheers. Cov Cath is a school with a lot of school spirit. This probably agitated others as well and that's when the elder intervened. The indian elder's later account said he needed to step in to save the black Hebrews from the "beasts" (aka Cov Cath boys).

Not to deflect from OSU & Urban domestic violence saga, but where was the media outrage when the 6'4" 280 lb 5* Mississippi State recruit was caught on video throwing haymakers at a defenseless woman laying on the ground? I think he got a 1 game suspension against FCS/Sunbelt team and Mullen faced very little scrutiny.

First, I admit the B1G programs have been deserved the negative press, sanctions, etc and the Urban Meyer/OSU sage is not over yet, but it seems ESPN ran with its narrative from the outset that Urban was a fraud and shady character. These were comments from Paul Finebaum and other ESPN talking heads from the outset before all the facts were in. Do you think ESPN intentionally tries to knock B1G programs via negative press to support its primary partner, the SEC? I can't find the screenshot, but there were side by side ESPN headlines from a few years ago. It was "Oklahoma holds on to beat Tennessee 34-10" and the next week "Georgia rolls by Tennessee 35-32". I have informally tracked ESPN CFB headlines and especially since last season (very successful for B1G vs SEC as whole being down) the ESPN headlines seem very bias. Lots of Iowa player gets DUI, Minnesota player transferring, etc, vs Georgia signs another 5-star, Stidham feels at home now at Auburn, Saban dominates recruiting. ESPN's Greg McIlroy saying go to Clemson (I realize they are ACC) to have fun vs going to SEC to win like at Alabama, George and Texas AM.

I am not going to recreate it bc I don't know all the facts. As my first post stated, if the evidence shows he knew the extent of abuse and did not report it, he should be terminated.

My small private company (I am part owner) has a nepotism policy. It is strictly adhered to. As an owner I pushed for my wife (now ex) to fill in temporarily for an open position and was told no. State universities should have more stringent hiring and personnel policies than my little company.

A side issue to this is and what likely led to the mess is the prevalent nepotism and good ol' boy network there seems to be in CFB. Too much authority is given to head CFB coaches on who they hire. Seems head coaches put family members on their staff and they are paid handsomely. Really, do you think Zack Smith could find a job outside of football making $3-400K a year? I heard Urban's son in law is on staff too. Not a good situation if the son in law f's up and then Urban is in uncomfortable position.

That text exchange doesn't prove Urban saw any texts or photos. It proves in my opinion he is aware of a situation between Zack and Courtney and Urban asked Zach about it which Zack denied.

We don't know what Shelly did or didn't do related to the pictures. Who knows what the circumstances were. Maybe Urban previously told her keep him out of coach wife drama. Shelly might not have wanted to bother Urban (which would be a serious lapse in judgment).

Possibly, unless there is text or other evidence showing Urban's knowledge of the abuse. Shelly can always say I never told Urban or gave him a sanitized version. Of course, that scheme (ie Shelly covering for Urban) would take collusion between the two and I assume lying to OSU officials in their investigation.

I don't know. I am sure Urban is an extremely busy man dealing with 80+ players, lots of coaches, AD & university folks, on the road recruiting, PR appearances, etc. Does he need to be involved all these people's personal matters especially if it's a recurring marital discord matter? Maybe Shelly and other's didn't want to bother him with this matter again. They downplayed or misinterpreted the serious nature of the matter.

OSU fan here and the story is upsetting based on the info published so far. Assuming UM knew the extent of the situation, how can he be so stupid to not to report it to the proper people at OSU and protect a position coach. I am not coming to conclusion until I know all the information. Specifically, 1. What did UM know about the abuse? His sources seem to be Shelly and Zack Smith. Apparently UM asked Zack which Zack denied. Did Shelly simply tell him "Zack and wife are having issues again?" Does he have an obligation to get involved in an employee's personal matters if he was not aware of physical abuse? If Shelly told him about the abuse, showed him photos and UM didn't report, then he should be terminated. 2. Was Zack actually arrested in 2015? If UM looked into this and found no arrest, what else did he do or would be reasonable required to do? 3. If UM directly or indirectly via his assistant encouraged Courtney Smith not to press charges in 2009, he should be terminated. I'd like to know his involvement in that. I have a feeling UM and OSU do not want to disclosure all the sordid details and are working on separation agreement.