backdoor gun control

[hosker]

i get what your saying carlfense, but theirs a diff between the obama/hitler & McVeigh/constitution argument.... and that is, obama & hitler both support not only the SIMILAR ideologies, but the SIMILAR methods, i.e. supporting/passing fascist bills.

 

while McVeigh/constitutionalists support the SIMILAR ideologies, but have DIFF. methods... i.e. killing innocent people(mcveigh)... compared to voting against/protesting non-american views and ideologies(constitutionalists)

[carlfense]

i get what your saying carlfense, but theirs a diff between the obama/hitler & McVeigh/constitution argument.... and that is, obama & hitler both support not only the SIMILAR ideologies, but the SIMILAR methods, i.e. supporting/passing fascist bills.

 

while McVeigh/constitutionalists support the SIMILAR ideologies, but have DIFF. methods... i.e. killing innocent people(mcveigh)... compared to voting against/protesting non-american views and ideologies(constitutionalists)

 

ok...

 

Which Obama ideologies are similar to Hitler's ideology?

 

Which bills have Obama supported or passed that are fascist?

 

(I can't believe I am even discussing this...wow. Just so I don't have to keep a straight face...)

[Chef K]

Man am I tired of all this "socialist" and "fascist" bullsh#t you people keep spouting. You sound like a bunch of ignorant right wing nut jobs! Here's an idea, try being a part of the solution, maybe try to better the world in some small way. OR you can continue to believe that the great muslim anti-christ has come to destroy your lovely american ways of life.

 

And if that's the case, well I'm sure there are some wonderful milita camps in Montana or Oklahoma that you could join where they share the same views you folks do!!! Just be sure to pay your respects to the Tim McVeigh shrine while your there. Because those men know a real patriot when the see it!

 

Talk about ignorant!! So, because somebody cares about the Constitution and their personal freedom you lump them in with the likes of Timothy McVeigh and "rightwing nut jobs?" Nice!! Maybe people are referring to Obama as a socialist because he is a socialist. Take a look at his policies, speeches and ideas for proof. The evidence speaks for itself.

 

Also, how about you take the time to look at the solutions other people present before you start ranting about what is best for the world. Is an all-powerful, dictating government the only way to make the world a better and safer place? Do we need them to run our lives and save us from ourselves? Is that what you truly believe? What's wrong with following the solutions outlined in the Constitution, or is that just too much personal responsibility for you?

 

He could probably use the same argument against you . . . maybe he is calling them right-wing nutjobs because they are right-wing nutjobs. (Not agreeing with him, but your argument works both ways.)

 

Obama's policies might seem terrible to some (I'd include myself in the group of doubters to a large extent) but I hardly think they rise to the level of an all-powerful, dictating government. As far as I know our government is still composed of legally elected officials.

 

So what your saying is, because I believe in the Constitution and individual liberty I should be lumped in with those considered to be right wing nut jobs, even if I don't believe in any of their other wacky ideology? Because that's exactly what he said. If that's not true, your point is moot.

 

And yes, while Obama's policies will definitely lead to unprecedented control by the government and great loss of personal freedom that wasn't the point of what I was saying. What I was referring to was the fact that huskerbob thinks that if we all just bow down to governments control, never question their solutions or policies and come to rely on them for everything from jobs to safety then the world will be a much safer, more prosperous place. I could just imagine that utopia

They make valid points SoCal, you conservatives that rant about supposed dictator-like government from Obama are awfully silent on similar right wing tendencies. Case in point; Arlen Specter {R-Pa} has switched parties because of the conservative hierarchy is speeding towards it's own ruin by using an ideological litmus test developed by the likes of Limbaugh, James Dobson, Hannity and others of that ilk. I could easily see an American Taliban on cultural issues should they ever got to power. Far less personal freedoms would be the order of the day. And if that is truly a concern for you, then fixing "your own house" should be a priority.

[SOCALHUSKER]

Man am I tired of all this "socialist" and "fascist" bullsh#t you people keep spouting. You sound like a bunch of ignorant right wing nut jobs! Here's an idea, try being a part of the solution, maybe try to better the world in some small way. OR you can continue to believe that the great muslim anti-christ has come to destroy your lovely american ways of life.

 

And if that's the case, well I'm sure there are some wonderful milita camps in Montana or Oklahoma that you could join where they share the same views you folks do!!! Just be sure to pay your respects to the Tim McVeigh shrine while your there. Because those men know a real patriot when the see it!

 

Talk about ignorant!! So, because somebody cares about the Constitution and their personal freedom you lump them in with the likes of Timothy McVeigh and "rightwing nut jobs?" Nice!! Maybe people are referring to Obama as a socialist because he is a socialist. Take a look at his policies, speeches and ideas for proof. The evidence speaks for itself.

 

Also, how about you take the time to look at the solutions other people present before you start ranting about what is best for the world. Is an all-powerful, dictating government the only way to make the world a better and safer place? Do we need them to run our lives and save us from ourselves? Is that what you truly believe? What's wrong with following the solutions outlined in the Constitution, or is that just too much personal responsibility for you?

 

He could probably use the same argument against you . . . maybe he is calling them right-wing nutjobs because they are right-wing nutjobs. (Not agreeing with him, but your argument works both ways.)

 

Obama's policies might seem terrible to some (I'd include myself in the group of doubters to a large extent) but I hardly think they rise to the level of an all-powerful, dictating government. As far as I know our government is still composed of legally elected officials.

 

So what your saying is, because I believe in the Constitution and individual liberty I should be lumped in with those considered to be right wing nut jobs, even if I don't believe in any of their other wacky ideology? Because that's exactly what he said. If that's not true, your point is moot.

 

And yes, while Obama's policies will definitely lead to unprecedented control by the government and great loss of personal freedom that wasn't the point of what I was saying. What I was referring to was the fact that huskerbob thinks that if we all just bow down to governments control, never question their solutions or policies and come to rely on them for everything from jobs to safety then the world will be a much safer, more prosperous place. I could just imagine that utopia

 

No. I didn't direct that at you personally. I said ". . . maybe he is calling them right-wing nutjobs because they are right-wing nutjobs." I intended this as a retort only to your statement that "maybe people are referring to Obama as a socialist because he is a socialist."

 

These are identical arguments.

 

Also, it's interesting that you defended comparisons of Obama to Hitler (based on his "civilian army," and his "rapid escalation of governmental powers.") and yet you immediately denounce a comparison of yourself to McVeigh even though you both share Libertarian and Constitutionalist tendencies. Can you not see how these arguments are both equally ridiculous? Obama did not killed millions of Jews and you didn't bomb the Oklahoma City building. So let's just agree that both arguments are irrelevant.

 

Yes, I see your point of comparing the two and I agree, the arguments are equally ridiculous. Obama is not Hitler and I am not a right-wing nut job.

 

However, my point wasn't that Obama is Hitler, my point was he's a socialist. Not a socialist based on a select few policies, qoutes or ideas. Rather, he is a socialist because the sum of his policies, quotes and ideas are the exact ingredient for a socialist. In the same way, if someone is to be considered a right-wing nut job, they must adhere to the same policies, quotes and ideas of a right-wing nut job. Just because someone agrees with one aspect of the right-wing nutjobs thinking, ie. Constitutional law or individual liberties, doesn't make them a right-wing nut job. Your argument above makes that point. I was merely trying to get that point across to huskerbob.

 

Socialism does not equal prosperity, nor does it equal individual freedom. I prefer both, so I will not stand idly as someone attempts to cram any form of socialism down my throat.

[carlfense]

Man am I tired of all this "socialist" and "fascist" bullsh#t you people keep spouting. You sound like a bunch of ignorant right wing nut jobs! Here's an idea, try being a part of the solution, maybe try to better the world in some small way. OR you can continue to believe that the great muslim anti-christ has come to destroy your lovely american ways of life.

 

And if that's the case, well I'm sure there are some wonderful milita camps in Montana or Oklahoma that you could join where they share the same views you folks do!!! Just be sure to pay your respects to the Tim McVeigh shrine while your there. Because those men know a real patriot when the see it!

 

Talk about ignorant!! So, because somebody cares about the Constitution and their personal freedom you lump them in with the likes of Timothy McVeigh and "rightwing nut jobs?" Nice!! Maybe people are referring to Obama as a socialist because he is a socialist. Take a look at his policies, speeches and ideas for proof. The evidence speaks for itself.

 

Also, how about you take the time to look at the solutions other people present before you start ranting about what is best for the world. Is an all-powerful, dictating government the only way to make the world a better and safer place? Do we need them to run our lives and save us from ourselves? Is that what you truly believe? What's wrong with following the solutions outlined in the Constitution, or is that just too much personal responsibility for you?

 

He could probably use the same argument against you . . . maybe he is calling them right-wing nutjobs because they are right-wing nutjobs. (Not agreeing with him, but your argument works both ways.)

 

Obama's policies might seem terrible to some (I'd include myself in the group of doubters to a large extent) but I hardly think they rise to the level of an all-powerful, dictating government. As far as I know our government is still composed of legally elected officials.

 

So what your saying is, because I believe in the Constitution and individual liberty I should be lumped in with those considered to be right wing nut jobs, even if I don't believe in any of their other wacky ideology? Because that's exactly what he said. If that's not true, your point is moot.

 

And yes, while Obama's policies will definitely lead to unprecedented control by the government and great loss of personal freedom that wasn't the point of what I was saying. What I was referring to was the fact that huskerbob thinks that if we all just bow down to governments control, never question their solutions or policies and come to rely on them for everything from jobs to safety then the world will be a much safer, more prosperous place. I could just imagine that utopia

They make valid points SoCal, you conservatives that rant about supposed dictator-like government from Obama are awfully silent on similar right wing tendencies. Case in point; Arlen Specter {R-Pa} has switched parties because of the conservative hierarchy is speeding towards it's own ruin by using an ideological litmus test developed by the likes of Limbaugh, James Dobson, Hannity and others of that ilk. I could easily see an American Taliban on cultural issues should they ever got to power. Far less personal freedoms would be the order of the day. And if that is truly a concern for you, then fixing "your own house" should be a priority.

 

Not to mention that so far G. W. Bush did far more to limit personal liberties than Obama has. If you truly are for personal liberty you can't just hate the one.

[SOCALHUSKER]

Man am I tired of all this "socialist" and "fascist" bullsh#t you people keep spouting. You sound like a bunch of ignorant right wing nut jobs! Here's an idea, try being a part of the solution, maybe try to better the world in some small way. OR you can continue to believe that the great muslim anti-christ has come to destroy your lovely american ways of life.

 

And if that's the case, well I'm sure there are some wonderful milita camps in Montana or Oklahoma that you could join where they share the same views you folks do!!! Just be sure to pay your respects to the Tim McVeigh shrine while your there. Because those men know a real patriot when the see it!

 

Talk about ignorant!! So, because somebody cares about the Constitution and their personal freedom you lump them in with the likes of Timothy McVeigh and "rightwing nut jobs?" Nice!! Maybe people are referring to Obama as a socialist because he is a socialist. Take a look at his policies, speeches and ideas for proof. The evidence speaks for itself.

 

Also, how about you take the time to look at the solutions other people present before you start ranting about what is best for the world. Is an all-powerful, dictating government the only way to make the world a better and safer place? Do we need them to run our lives and save us from ourselves? Is that what you truly believe? What's wrong with following the solutions outlined in the Constitution, or is that just too much personal responsibility for you?

 

He could probably use the same argument against you . . . maybe he is calling them right-wing nutjobs because they are right-wing nutjobs. (Not agreeing with him, but your argument works both ways.)

 

Obama's policies might seem terrible to some (I'd include myself in the group of doubters to a large extent) but I hardly think they rise to the level of an all-powerful, dictating government. As far as I know our government is still composed of legally elected officials.

 

So what your saying is, because I believe in the Constitution and individual liberty I should be lumped in with those considered to be right wing nut jobs, even if I don't believe in any of their other wacky ideology? Because that's exactly what he said. If that's not true, your point is moot.

 

And yes, while Obama's policies will definitely lead to unprecedented control by the government and great loss of personal freedom that wasn't the point of what I was saying. What I was referring to was the fact that huskerbob thinks that if we all just bow down to governments control, never question their solutions or policies and come to rely on them for everything from jobs to safety then the world will be a much safer, more prosperous place. I could just imagine that utopia

They make valid points SoCal, you conservatives that rant about supposed dictator-like government from Obama are awfully silent on similar right wing tendencies. Case in point; Arlen Specter {R-Pa} has switched parties because of the conservative hierarchy is speeding towards it's own ruin by using an ideological litmus test developed by the likes of Limbaugh, James Dobson, Hannity and others of that ilk. I could easily see an American Taliban on cultural issues should they ever got to power. Far less personal freedoms would be the order of the day. And if that is truly a concern for you, then fixing "your own house" should be a priority.

 

I don't need to "fix" any house because I'm neither conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat, left or right-wing. I'm an American who would like to live peacefully in a country I've defended so that we can enjoy the freedoms our forefathers had the common sense to make into law. Maybe you need to read my post before you start blabbering your non-sense. In no way do I support the fascist/warmongering ideology of the Republican party or the neocons whom you refer. I believe in Constitutional law, personal freedom, limited government, a non-interventionist foreign policy, free markets and sound money. Now go ahead and make a valid point about what I need to fix.

[SOCALHUSKER]

Man am I tired of all this "socialist" and "fascist" bullsh#t you people keep spouting. You sound like a bunch of ignorant right wing nut jobs! Here's an idea, try being a part of the solution, maybe try to better the world in some small way. OR you can continue to believe that the great muslim anti-christ has come to destroy your lovely american ways of life.

 

And if that's the case, well I'm sure there are some wonderful milita camps in Montana or Oklahoma that you could join where they share the same views you folks do!!! Just be sure to pay your respects to the Tim McVeigh shrine while your there. Because those men know a real patriot when the see it!

 

Talk about ignorant!! So, because somebody cares about the Constitution and their personal freedom you lump them in with the likes of Timothy McVeigh and "rightwing nut jobs?" Nice!! Maybe people are referring to Obama as a socialist because he is a socialist. Take a look at his policies, speeches and ideas for proof. The evidence speaks for itself.

 

Also, how about you take the time to look at the solutions other people present before you start ranting about what is best for the world. Is an all-powerful, dictating government the only way to make the world a better and safer place? Do we need them to run our lives and save us from ourselves? Is that what you truly believe? What's wrong with following the solutions outlined in the Constitution, or is that just too much personal responsibility for you?

 

He could probably use the same argument against you . . . maybe he is calling them right-wing nutjobs because they are right-wing nutjobs. (Not agreeing with him, but your argument works both ways.)

 

Obama's policies might seem terrible to some (I'd include myself in the group of doubters to a large extent) but I hardly think they rise to the level of an all-powerful, dictating government. As far as I know our government is still composed of legally elected officials.

 

So what your saying is, because I believe in the Constitution and individual liberty I should be lumped in with those considered to be right wing nut jobs, even if I don't believe in any of their other wacky ideology? Because that's exactly what he said. If that's not true, your point is moot.

 

And yes, while Obama's policies will definitely lead to unprecedented control by the government and great loss of personal freedom that wasn't the point of what I was saying. What I was referring to was the fact that huskerbob thinks that if we all just bow down to governments control, never question their solutions or policies and come to rely on them for everything from jobs to safety then the world will be a much safer, more prosperous place. I could just imagine that utopia

They make valid points SoCal, you conservatives that rant about supposed dictator-like government from Obama are awfully silent on similar right wing tendencies. Case in point; Arlen Specter {R-Pa} has switched parties because of the conservative hierarchy is speeding towards it's own ruin by using an ideological litmus test developed by the likes of Limbaugh, James Dobson, Hannity and others of that ilk. I could easily see an American Taliban on cultural issues should they ever got to power. Far less personal freedoms would be the order of the day. And if that is truly a concern for you, then fixing "your own house" should be a priority.

 

Not to mention that so far G. W. Bush did far more to limit personal liberties than Obama has. If you truly are for personal liberty you can't just hate the one.

 

Read my post above, maybe that'll help answer this question too.

[Chef K]

Man am I tired of all this "socialist" and "fascist" bullsh#t you people keep spouting. You sound like a bunch of ignorant right wing nut jobs! Here's an idea, try being a part of the solution, maybe try to better the world in some small way. OR you can continue to believe that the great muslim anti-christ has come to destroy your lovely american ways of life.

 

And if that's the case, well I'm sure there are some wonderful milita camps in Montana or Oklahoma that you could join where they share the same views you folks do!!! Just be sure to pay your respects to the Tim McVeigh shrine while your there. Because those men know a real patriot when the see it!

 

Talk about ignorant!! So, because somebody cares about the Constitution and their personal freedom you lump them in with the likes of Timothy McVeigh and "rightwing nut jobs?" Nice!! Maybe people are referring to Obama as a socialist because he is a socialist. Take a look at his policies, speeches and ideas for proof. The evidence speaks for itself.

 

Also, how about you take the time to look at the solutions other people present before you start ranting about what is best for the world. Is an all-powerful, dictating government the only way to make the world a better and safer place? Do we need them to run our lives and save us from ourselves? Is that what you truly believe? What's wrong with following the solutions outlined in the Constitution, or is that just too much personal responsibility for you?

 

He could probably use the same argument against you . . . maybe he is calling them right-wing nutjobs because they are right-wing nutjobs. (Not agreeing with him, but your argument works both ways.)

 

Obama's policies might seem terrible to some (I'd include myself in the group of doubters to a large extent) but I hardly think they rise to the level of an all-powerful, dictating government. As far as I know our government is still composed of legally elected officials.

 

So what your saying is, because I believe in the Constitution and individual liberty I should be lumped in with those considered to be right wing nut jobs, even if I don't believe in any of their other wacky ideology? Because that's exactly what he said. If that's not true, your point is moot.

 

And yes, while Obama's policies will definitely lead to unprecedented control by the government and great loss of personal freedom that wasn't the point of what I was saying. What I was referring to was the fact that huskerbob thinks that if we all just bow down to governments control, never question their solutions or policies and come to rely on them for everything from jobs to safety then the world will be a much safer, more prosperous place. I could just imagine that utopia

They make valid points SoCal, you conservatives that rant about supposed dictator-like government from Obama are awfully silent on similar right wing tendencies. Case in point; Arlen Specter {R-Pa} has switched parties because of the conservative hierarchy is speeding towards it's own ruin by using an ideological litmus test developed by the likes of Limbaugh, James Dobson, Hannity and others of that ilk. I could easily see an American Taliban on cultural issues should they ever got to power. Far less personal freedoms would be the order of the day. And if that is truly a concern for you, then fixing "your own house" should be a priority.

 

I don't need to "fix" any house because I'm neither conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat, left or right-wing. I'm an American who would like to live peacefully in a country I've defended so that we can enjoy the freedoms our forefathers had the common sense to make into law. Maybe you need to read my post before you start blabbering your non-sense. In no way do I support the fascist/warmongering ideology of the Republican party or the neocons whom you refer. I believe in Constitutional law, personal freedom, limited government, a non-interventionist foreign policy, free markets and sound money. Now go ahead and make a valid point about what I need to fix.

Interesting way of putting that I guess. You claim neutrality in ideologies, but you sure come off as a talk radio neo-con. And this observation is from somebody who HAS demonstrated his beliefs in true personal liberties, constitutional rights, free markets and etc. All you've done is played the chicken little argument that Obama {and NO ONE ELSE} is sending this country to hell on the express lane. And also using that tried and true neo-con tactic of name calling and demoting a opposing view as blabbering nonsense.

[hosker]

i get what your saying carlfense, but theirs a diff between the obama/hitler & McVeigh/constitution argument.... and that is, obama & hitler both support not only the SIMILAR ideologies, but the SIMILAR methods, i.e. supporting/passing fascist bills.

 

while McVeigh/constitutionalists support the SIMILAR ideologies, but have DIFF. methods... i.e. killing innocent people(mcveigh)... compared to voting against/protesting non-american views and ideologies(constitutionalists)

 

ok...

 

Which Obama ideologies are similar to Hitler's ideology?

 

Which bills have Obama supported or passed that are fascist?

 

(I can't believe I am even discussing this...wow. Just so I don't have to keep a straight face...)

 

 

really? hmm, i suggest you go look at his voting record. keep in mind not all of his votes will be "fascist"...

 

 

as far as support for Bush, i don't think any Constitutionalist could full heartedly support him, or cheney, or mccain... or most other republican or democratic politicians for that matter.

[hosker]

Man am I tired of all this "socialist" and "fascist" bullsh#t you people keep spouting. You sound like a bunch of ignorant right wing nut jobs! Here's an idea, try being a part of the solution, maybe try to better the world in some small way. OR you can continue to believe that the great muslim anti-christ has come to destroy your lovely american ways of life.

 

And if that's the case, well I'm sure there are some wonderful milita camps in Montana or Oklahoma that you could join where they share the same views you folks do!!! Just be sure to pay your respects to the Tim McVeigh shrine while your there. Because those men know a real patriot when the see it!

 

Talk about ignorant!! So, because somebody cares about the Constitution and their personal freedom you lump them in with the likes of Timothy McVeigh and "rightwing nut jobs?" Nice!! Maybe people are referring to Obama as a socialist because he is a socialist. Take a look at his policies, speeches and ideas for proof. The evidence speaks for itself.

 

Also, how about you take the time to look at the solutions other people present before you start ranting about what is best for the world. Is an all-powerful, dictating government the only way to make the world a better and safer place? Do we need them to run our lives and save us from ourselves? Is that what you truly believe? What's wrong with following the solutions outlined in the Constitution, or is that just too much personal responsibility for you?

 

He could probably use the same argument against you . . . maybe he is calling them right-wing nutjobs because they are right-wing nutjobs. (Not agreeing with him, but your argument works both ways.)

 

Obama's policies might seem terrible to some (I'd include myself in the group of doubters to a large extent) but I hardly think they rise to the level of an all-powerful, dictating government. As far as I know our government is still composed of legally elected officials.

 

So what your saying is, because I believe in the Constitution and individual liberty I should be lumped in with those considered to be right wing nut jobs, even if I don't believe in any of their other wacky ideology? Because that's exactly what he said. If that's not true, your point is moot.

 

And yes, while Obama's policies will definitely lead to unprecedented control by the government and great loss of personal freedom that wasn't the point of what I was saying. What I was referring to was the fact that huskerbob thinks that if we all just bow down to governments control, never question their solutions or policies and come to rely on them for everything from jobs to safety then the world will be a much safer, more prosperous place. I could just imagine that utopia

They make valid points SoCal, you conservatives that rant about supposed dictator-like government from Obama are awfully silent on similar right wing tendencies. Case in point; Arlen Specter {R-Pa} has switched parties because of the conservative hierarchy is speeding towards it's own ruin by using an ideological litmus test developed by the likes of Limbaugh, James Dobson, Hannity and others of that ilk. I could easily see an American Taliban on cultural issues should they ever got to power. Far less personal freedoms would be the order of the day. And if that is truly a concern for you, then fixing "your own house" should be a priority.

 

I don't need to "fix" any house because I'm neither conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat, left or right-wing. I'm an American who would like to live peacefully in a country I've defended so that we can enjoy the freedoms our forefathers had the common sense to make into law. Maybe you need to read my post before you start blabbering your non-sense. In no way do I support the fascist/warmongering ideology of the Republican party or the neocons whom you refer. I believe in Constitutional law, personal freedom, limited government, a non-interventionist foreign policy, free markets and sound money. Now go ahead and make a valid point about what I need to fix.

Interesting way of putting that I guess. You claim neutrality in ideologies, but you sure come off as a talk radio neo-con. And this observation is from somebody who HAS demonstrated his beliefs in true personal liberties, constitutional rights, free markets and etc. All you've done is played the chicken little argument that Obama {and NO ONE ELSE} is sending this country to hell on the express lane. And also using that tried and true neo-con tactic of name calling and demoting a opposing view as blabbering nonsense.

 

 

i think that could be applied to any political party...

[SOCALHUSKER]

Man am I tired of all this "socialist" and "fascist" bullsh#t you people keep spouting. You sound like a bunch of ignorant right wing nut jobs! Here's an idea, try being a part of the solution, maybe try to better the world in some small way. OR you can continue to believe that the great muslim anti-christ has come to destroy your lovely american ways of life.

 

And if that's the case, well I'm sure there are some wonderful milita camps in Montana or Oklahoma that you could join where they share the same views you folks do!!! Just be sure to pay your respects to the Tim McVeigh shrine while your there. Because those men know a real patriot when the see it!

 

Talk about ignorant!! So, because somebody cares about the Constitution and their personal freedom you lump them in with the likes of Timothy McVeigh and "rightwing nut jobs?" Nice!! Maybe people are referring to Obama as a socialist because he is a socialist. Take a look at his policies, speeches and ideas for proof. The evidence speaks for itself.

 

Also, how about you take the time to look at the solutions other people present before you start ranting about what is best for the world. Is an all-powerful, dictating government the only way to make the world a better and safer place? Do we need them to run our lives and save us from ourselves? Is that what you truly believe? What's wrong with following the solutions outlined in the Constitution, or is that just too much personal responsibility for you?

 

He could probably use the same argument against you . . . maybe he is calling them right-wing nutjobs because they are right-wing nutjobs. (Not agreeing with him, but your argument works both ways.)

 

Obama's policies might seem terrible to some (I'd include myself in the group of doubters to a large extent) but I hardly think they rise to the level of an all-powerful, dictating government. As far as I know our government is still composed of legally elected officials.

 

So what your saying is, because I believe in the Constitution and individual liberty I should be lumped in with those considered to be right wing nut jobs, even if I don't believe in any of their other wacky ideology? Because that's exactly what he said. If that's not true, your point is moot.

 

And yes, while Obama's policies will definitely lead to unprecedented control by the government and great loss of personal freedom that wasn't the point of what I was saying. What I was referring to was the fact that huskerbob thinks that if we all just bow down to governments control, never question their solutions or policies and come to rely on them for everything from jobs to safety then the world will be a much safer, more prosperous place. I could just imagine that utopia

They make valid points SoCal, you conservatives that rant about supposed dictator-like government from Obama are awfully silent on similar right wing tendencies. Case in point; Arlen Specter {R-Pa} has switched parties because of the conservative hierarchy is speeding towards it's own ruin by using an ideological litmus test developed by the likes of Limbaugh, James Dobson, Hannity and others of that ilk. I could easily see an American Taliban on cultural issues should they ever got to power. Far less personal freedoms would be the order of the day. And if that is truly a concern for you, then fixing "your own house" should be a priority.

 

I don't need to "fix" any house because I'm neither conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat, left or right-wing. I'm an American who would like to live peacefully in a country I've defended so that we can enjoy the freedoms our forefathers had the common sense to make into law. Maybe you need to read my post before you start blabbering your non-sense. In no way do I support the fascist/warmongering ideology of the Republican party or the neocons whom you refer. I believe in Constitutional law, personal freedom, limited government, a non-interventionist foreign policy, free markets and sound money. Now go ahead and make a valid point about what I need to fix.

Interesting way of putting that I guess. You claim neutrality in ideologies, but you sure come off as a talk radio neo-con. And this observation is from somebody who HAS demonstrated his beliefs in true personal liberties, constitutional rights, free markets and etc. All you've done is played the chicken little argument that Obama {and NO ONE ELSE} is sending this country to hell on the express lane. And also using that tried and true neo-con tactic of name calling and demoting a opposing view as blabbering nonsense.

 

Where have I ever claimed neutrality? I find both parties to be equally oppressive to liberty. That doesn't mean I'm neutral on their ideology. By stating I sound like a talk radio neocon shows you obviously don't know what a neocon is? Read more HERE There's a vast difference between what I believe in and the empire building, warfare state, fascist agenda promoted by neocons and most Republicans. What observations have you made about me that prove otherwise?

 

Yes, I admit I have called out Obama because he and his policies have been the topic of most the threads. He also currently holds the title of President and is responsible for signing into law a lot of bills I happen to disagree with. I felt the same way about Bush's insane policies I just wasn't posting on the BS of Huskerboard yet to let you guys hear me bitch about it. Except for maybe when he signed the first bailout, I'm pretty sure I was on here bashing that one.

 

I agree with you that Obama is not to blame for the wreck our country is in but his policies definitely aren't helping any. If questioning the direction this country is headed is a crime or makes me a chicken little than count me guilty. Maybe you see things differently then I do, but I don't see how you can look at the loss of freedom as anything good. As for namecalling or saying opposing views are blabbering nonsense, can't help you there because that's just not true. I referred to your post as blabbering nonsense because you tried to call me out as a conservative, right-wing, neo-con which isn't even a viewpoint because there couldn't be anything further from the truth. Therefore making your entire post nonsense.

[huzkerbob]

Man am I tired of all this "socialist" and "fascist" bullsh#t you people keep spouting. You sound like a bunch of ignorant right wing nut jobs! Here's an idea, try being a part of the solution, maybe try to better the world in some small way. OR you can continue to believe that the great muslim anti-christ has come to destroy your lovely american ways of life.

 

And if that's the case, well I'm sure there are some wonderful milita camps in Montana or Oklahoma that you could join where they share the same views you folks do!!! Just be sure to pay your respects to the Tim McVeigh shrine while your there. Because those men know a real patriot when the see it!

 

Talk about ignorant!! So, because somebody cares about the Constitution and their personal freedom you lump them in with the likes of Timothy McVeigh and "rightwing nut jobs?" Nice!! Maybe people are referring to Obama as a socialist because he is a socialist. Take a look at his policies, speeches and ideas for proof. The evidence speaks for itself.

 

Also, how about you take the time to look at the solutions other people present before you start ranting about what is best for the world. Is an all-powerful, dictating government the only way to make the world a better and safer place? Do we need them to run our lives and save us from ourselves? Is that what you truly believe? What's wrong with following the solutions outlined in the Constitution, or is that just too much personal responsibility for you?

Ever heard of the FDIC? this country has been "socialist" for longer than either of us have been alive. So forget that argument.

 

More to topic; I can assure you no one in the US is trying to ban ALL firearms. I firmly believe in the 2nd amendment myself. Mostly because I know there ARE times when a nation must protect itself from the Gov. it is a founding principle of this country, and all the founders agreed on that fact. But I also know first hand that weapons are far to easy to get in the U.S. And I'm not talking about just handguns either! Hell, a few years ago my uncle could have gotten you an AK 47. Not because he was ex- army, because a local pastor used to deal them! That was in little Grand Island NE. The same town where a good friend of mine was shot and killed in 1998.

 

So if you don't think guns are a problem your not paying attention. Just look at the situation here in TX, and especially across the border. There are U.S. trained para militaries running rampant with all the fire power you could ever want. Something has to be done to at least curb the output, sorry if I don't cry for Springfield Armory and S&W in the process.

[SOCALHUSKER]

Man am I tired of all this "socialist" and "fascist" bullsh#t you people keep spouting. You sound like a bunch of ignorant right wing nut jobs! Here's an idea, try being a part of the solution, maybe try to better the world in some small way. OR you can continue to believe that the great muslim anti-christ has come to destroy your lovely american ways of life.

 

And if that's the case, well I'm sure there are some wonderful milita camps in Montana or Oklahoma that you could join where they share the same views you folks do!!! Just be sure to pay your respects to the Tim McVeigh shrine while your there. Because those men know a real patriot when the see it!

 

Talk about ignorant!! So, because somebody cares about the Constitution and their personal freedom you lump them in with the likes of Timothy McVeigh and "rightwing nut jobs?" Nice!! Maybe people are referring to Obama as a socialist because he is a socialist. Take a look at his policies, speeches and ideas for proof. The evidence speaks for itself.

 

Also, how about you take the time to look at the solutions other people present before you start ranting about what is best for the world. Is an all-powerful, dictating government the only way to make the world a better and safer place? Do we need them to run our lives and save us from ourselves? Is that what you truly believe? What's wrong with following the solutions outlined in the Constitution, or is that just too much personal responsibility for you?

Ever heard of the FDIC? this country has been "socialist" for longer than either of us have been alive. So forget that argument.

 

More to topic; I can assure you no one in the US is trying to ban ALL firearms. I firmly believe in the 2nd amendment myself. Mostly because I know there ARE times when a nation must protect itself from the Gov. it is a founding principle of this country, and all the founders agreed on that fact. But I also know first hand that weapons are far to easy to get in the U.S. And I'm not talking about just handguns either! Hell, a few years ago my uncle could have gotten you an AK 47. Not because he was ex- army, because a local pastor used to deal them! That was in little Grand Island NE. The same town where a good friend of mine was shot and killed in 1998.

 

So if you don't think guns are a problem your not paying attention. Just look at the situation here in TX, and especially across the border. There are U.S. trained para militaries running rampant with all the fire power you could ever want. Something has to be done to at least curb the output, sorry if I don't cry for Springfield Armory and S&W in the process.

 

What does the FDIC have to do with anything I mentioned? ...and nobody's disputing the grasp socialism has had on our country for years. I was merely saying Obama is a socialist, that's it.

 

As for 2nd Amendment rights, you're not going to find anybody who doesn't want criminals disarmed. The problem is with the creation of new gun laws, making it ridiculously expensive and time consuming for law abiding citizens to own a gun, when the people the law was meant to deter could care less about the law to begin with. Your not going to see a two-time felon heading down to the local precinct to have his fingerprints taken and a DOJ background check ran. He's going to buy it on the black market and use it as he pleases. No new law is going to prevent that. The only way to prevent criminals from obtaining guns is to enforce the laws already in place. All we are doing by creating more gun laws is adding to the criminal element and creating a society in which the law abiding citizens are unarmed and the criminals run around armed to do as they please.

[carlfense]

i think that could be applied to any political party...

 

Agreed. I think the extreme right and the extreme left are equally guilty of this.

 

Now that we have a left-leaning president those doing the name calling and demoting happen to be the elements from the far right.

 

Last year when we had a right-leaning president those doing the name calling happened to be the elements from the far left.

 

And so the pendulum swings...

[carlfense]

really? hmm, i suggest you go look at his voting record. keep in mind not all of his votes will be "fascist"...

 

as far as support for Bush, i don't think any Constitutionalist could full heartedly support him, or cheney, or mccain... or most other republican or democratic politicians for that matter.

 

I am fairly familiar with his voting record.

 

Just so we are on the same page the most common definition for fascism is a political philosophy that tends to include: (1) a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, (2) a contempt for democracy, (3) an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and (4) a strong demagogic (appealing to popular desires and prejudices) approach.

 

Let's go through those:

 

(1) Nope. If anything Obama is being attacked as not having enough "national pride," and attacked for being to open with foreign powers who some consider to be our enemies. (not to mention he is a member of a historically underrepresented ethnic group!)

Score so far: If anything Obama is the exact opposite of this element.

 

(2) Nope. Obama was democratically elected by a significant majority. His supporters in Congress were also democratically elected.

Score so far: Obama does not fulfill this element at ALL.

 

(3) Probably not. There is a lot of hype and positive imagery thrown around by the public surrounding Obama, but there is no insistence by either Obama or by the White House that the public obey him. And as far as being "powerful" goes . . . Obama has no more power than his predecessor.

Score so far: I guess you can argue this one based on the lavish praise some heap on Obama, but he is not forcing it upon people.

 

(4) Probably not. Obama is no more guilty of appealing to popular desires than any other elected officials. Don't they all play to the wants and whims of their constituents? And as far as appealing to prejudices . . . nope.

Score so far: Obama is just another politician as far as this category goes.

 

Still want to argue that Obama is fascist?

 

(How the hell do you guys do this to me? With many of my friends I am criticizing Obama because they are unthinkingly praising his latest actions... Somehow you guys make me defend him daily. Maybe I just like playing devil's advocate? )