Obama Healthcare and Football

[huskerjack23]

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That whole video is predicated on the premise of "the world went from a tribal society where humans only produced for themselves, but because they were smart enough to domesticate work animals and develop better technology, they produced EXCESS product. that they sold to others. (Capitalism, no?)"

 

Let's be honest here, there was no royalty when man was first domesticating crops and animals. The video said itself that in tribal times, humans only produced what they could consume. And we all know that they had all sorts of crazy superstitions then too and now ruling class to exploit it.

 

So where was this enslaving of humans coming from? Well, the ruling class didn't exist yet. It didn't exist until they produced excess product, to sell, and to profit from. Now because effed up people exist and don't care about the rights of others, captured and sold people because they are the ultimate livestock, for what it's worth.

 

Now, we are slaves because of this, because religion and statism is easily manipulated to keep us livestock, whether it seems we are free or not.

 

What made us slaves in the first place? Capitalism. Simple as that.

 

The only people who are truly free are those who consume ONLY what they produce. Tribal societies, the amish, and guys with beards who live in log cabins in montana.

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Or a cave in Colorado. meh

 

GBR

[huskertim]

P772Eb63qIY

That whole video is predicated on the premise of "the world went from a tribal society where humans only produced for themselves, but because they were smart enough to domesticate work animals and develop better technology, they produced EXCESS product. that they sold to others. (Capitalism, no?)"

 

Let's be honest here, there was no royalty when man was first domesticating crops and animals. The video said itself that in tribal times, humans only produced what they could consume. And we all know that they had all sorts of crazy superstitions then too and now ruling class to exploit it.

 

So where was this enslaving of humans coming from? Well, the ruling class didn't exist yet. It didn't exist until they produced excess product, to sell, and to profit from. Now because effed up people exist and don't care about the rights of others, captured and sold people because they are the ultimate livestock, for what it's worth.

 

Now, we are slaves because of this, because religion and statism is easily manipulated to keep us livestock, whether it seems we are free or not.

 

What made us slaves in the first place? Capitalism. Simple as that.

 

The only people who are truly free are those who consume ONLY what they produce. Tribal societies, the amish, and guys with beards who live in log cabins in montana.

 

Capitalism? Yeah that's the problem, because a system werein the biggest and strongest among a group take what they want by shear force was liberating.

To compare our current state with slavery is rediculous and to assume that we would all be better off living in straw huts until death's mericiful embrace at the ripe old age of 14 came a callin is even more perpostorous.

That said, Obamacare is an outright usurpation of power unpresidented in our peacetime republic.

[huskerjack23]

P772Eb63qIY

That whole video is predicated on the premise of "the world went from a tribal society where humans only produced for themselves, but because they were smart enough to domesticate work animals and develop better technology, they produced EXCESS product. that they sold to others. (Capitalism, no?)"

 

Let's be honest here, there was no royalty when man was first domesticating crops and animals. The video said itself that in tribal times, humans only produced what they could consume. And we all know that they had all sorts of crazy superstitions then too and now ruling class to exploit it.

 

So where was this enslaving of humans coming from? Well, the ruling class didn't exist yet. It didn't exist until they produced excess product, to sell, and to profit from. Now because effed up people exist and don't care about the rights of others, captured and sold people because they are the ultimate livestock, for what it's worth.

 

Now, we are slaves because of this, because religion and statism is easily manipulated to keep us livestock, whether it seems we are free or not.

 

What made us slaves in the first place? Capitalism. Simple as that.

 

The only people who are truly free are those who consume ONLY what they produce. Tribal societies, the amish, and guys with beards who live in log cabins in montana.

 

Capitalism? Yeah that's the problem, because a system werein the biggest and strongest among a group take what they want by shear force was liberating.

To compare our current state with slavery is rediculous and to assume that we would all be better off living in straw huts until death's mericiful embrace at the ripe old age of 14 came a callin is even more perpostorous.

That said, Obamacare is an outright usurpation of power unpresidented in our peacetime republic.

Notice that I didn't compare our current system with slavery. The effing video did with it's slippery slope fallacies. But it failed to describe what caused the slippery slope fallacy in the first place, because they can't open their eyes to something they disagree with. The first causation being CAPITALISM.

[SOCALHUSKER]

P772Eb63qIY

That whole video is predicated on the premise of "the world went from a tribal society where humans only produced for themselves, but because they were smart enough to domesticate work animals and develop better technology, they produced EXCESS product. that they sold to others. (Capitalism, no?)"

 

Let's be honest here, there was no royalty when man was first domesticating crops and animals. The video said itself that in tribal times, humans only produced what they could consume. And we all know that they had all sorts of crazy superstitions then too and now ruling class to exploit it.

 

So where was this enslaving of humans coming from? Well, the ruling class didn't exist yet. It didn't exist until they produced excess product, to sell, and to profit from. Now because effed up people exist and don't care about the rights of others, captured and sold people because they are the ultimate livestock, for what it's worth.

 

Now, we are slaves because of this, because religion and statism is easily manipulated to keep us livestock, whether it seems we are free or not.

 

What made us slaves in the first place? Capitalism. Simple as that.

 

The only people who are truly free are those who consume ONLY what they produce. Tribal societies, the amish, and guys with beards who live in log cabins in montana.

Capitalism? Are you talking the free market or the state-run capitalism known today as corporatism? If you mean the free market, how does a system consisting of voluntarily exchanges between consumers and competing businesses constitute slavery? If you can choose whether or not you participate how is that considered slavery?

 

Also, what do you mean the ruling class didn't exist? Not only were there tribal leaders, but you mentioned religion and superstitions, who do you think brought those ideas to the fore? It must have been those damn capitalists, huh? Are you really saying that because the free markets brought about the progress of man that it is somehow responsible for also enslaving them?

[huskerjack23]

P772Eb63qIY

That whole video is predicated on the premise of "the world went from a tribal society where humans only produced for themselves, but because they were smart enough to domesticate work animals and develop better technology, they produced EXCESS product. that they sold to others. (Capitalism, no?)"

 

Let's be honest here, there was no royalty when man was first domesticating crops and animals. The video said itself that in tribal times, humans only produced what they could consume. And we all know that they had all sorts of crazy superstitions then too and now ruling class to exploit it.

 

So where was this enslaving of humans coming from? Well, the ruling class didn't exist yet. It didn't exist until they produced excess product, to sell, and to profit from. Now because effed up people exist and don't care about the rights of others, captured and sold people because they are the ultimate livestock, for what it's worth.

 

Now, we are slaves because of this, because religion and statism is easily manipulated to keep us livestock, whether it seems we are free or not.

 

What made us slaves in the first place? Capitalism. Simple as that.

 

The only people who are truly free are those who consume ONLY what they produce. Tribal societies, the amish, and guys with beards who live in log cabins in montana.

Capitalism? Are you talking the free market or the state-run capitalism known today as corporatism? If you mean the free market, how does a system consisting of voluntarily exchanges between consumers and competing businesses constitute slavery? If you can choose whether or not you participate how is that considered slavery?

 

Also, what do you mean the ruling class didn't exist? Not only were there tribal leaders, but you mentioned religion and superstitions, who do you think brought those ideas to the fore? It must have been those damn capitalists, huh? Are you really saying that because the free markets brought about the progress of man that it is somehow responsible for also enslaving them?

That's what the video said. Not me.

[SOCALHUSKER]

 

Capitalism? Are you talking the free market or the state-run capitalism known today as corporatism? If you mean the free market, how does a system consisting of voluntarily exchanges between consumers and competing businesses constitute slavery? If you can choose whether or not you participate how is that considered slavery?

 

Also, what do you mean the ruling class didn't exist? Not only were there tribal leaders, but you mentioned religion and superstitions, who do you think brought those ideas to the fore? It must have been those damn capitalists, huh? Are you really saying that because the free markets brought about the progress of man that it is somehow responsible for also enslaving them?

That's what the video said. Not me.

Really?? You must not have watched the same video as me!! Nowhere did the video state or imply that free markets led to the slavery of humanity.

[huskerjack23]

 

Capitalism? Are you talking the free market or the state-run capitalism known today as corporatism? If you mean the free market, how does a system consisting of voluntarily exchanges between consumers and competing businesses constitute slavery? If you can choose whether or not you participate how is that considered slavery?

 

Also, what do you mean the ruling class didn't exist? Not only were there tribal leaders, but you mentioned religion and superstitions, who do you think brought those ideas to the fore? It must have been those damn capitalists, huh? Are you really saying that because the free markets brought about the progress of man that it is somehow responsible for also enslaving them?

That's what the video said. Not me.

Really?? You must not have watched the same video as me!! Nowhere did the video state or imply that free markets led to the slavery of humanity.

That's what it said. We were enslaved because of capitalism. Plain as day.

[SOCALHUSKER]

 

Capitalism? Are you talking the free market or the state-run capitalism known today as corporatism? If you mean the free market, how does a system consisting of voluntarily exchanges between consumers and competing businesses constitute slavery? If you can choose whether or not you participate how is that considered slavery?

 

Also, what do you mean the ruling class didn't exist? Not only were there tribal leaders, but you mentioned religion and superstitions, who do you think brought those ideas to the fore? It must have been those damn capitalists, huh? Are you really saying that because the free markets brought about the progress of man that it is somehow responsible for also enslaving them?

That's what the video said. Not me.

Really?? You must not have watched the same video as me!! Nowhere did the video state or imply that free markets led to the slavery of humanity.

That's what it said. We were enslaved because of capitalism. Plain as day.

 

Regardless of your own personal opinion or perspective of the video, free markets, socialism or any other political system; the bottom line of this entire conversation is: do you or do you not believe it is wrong to initiate force against another individual? If you claim to be a moral person, as I am sure you and nearly everyone else on this board does, you must acknowledge that the initiation of force is wrong. It is wrong for various reasons but the main staple is that it violates the natural rights that are required for individuals to continue living.(See the Non-Aggression Principle) Since initiating force against another individual is always wrong, how then can you sanction government when its very existence and activities are based solely upon initiating force as well as maintaining a monopoly on coercion and force against individuals?