Stats Check: 2010 Taylor vs 2011 Taylor

[papersun87]

Man, I hope we get to see this again someday.

inb4okiestate'sdsucked

[Hercules]

 

Man, I hope we get to see this again someday.

 

inb4okiestate'sdsucked

 

Okie State's defense was so bad that Brandon Kinnie actually made it to the end zone.

[Hercules]

No doubt it causes problems because of his running threat, but on the flip side, they have to worry a lot less about confusing him with blitzes and coverages. That is where he is still very average - JMO. I forget which team it was this year, too, one of the players afterwards said it was the simplest defensive GP they'd ever put in.

 

Taylor may have that running ability, but so far, at least, he is a limiting factor on the O. (Just my opinion, again, and whether or not we may have anyone who could be better...) - I think that is why we have all these promising WRs, but we don't get a ton of production out of them. Why we have a TE matchup nightmare like Reed, but he is way underutilized. Why we have three stud freshman RBs, but none of them get significant carries after Taylor and Rex get their share.

 

Taylor was taking fewer and fewer carries as the year went on, and when Rex is taking 30-40, I don't think you can say that Taylor is taking carries away from the freshman RBs.

 

Kyler Reed has been injured most of the season. http://omaha.com/article/20111206/BIGRED/712069818

 

We're not going to get as much production out of our "promising" receivers as other teams because we're not going to throw the ball as much as other teams. We're also not going to get as much production out of them until they stop dropping 3-5 throws every game.

 

I also don't buy into the analysis that, "Taylor has lost his big play ability from 2010." Look at the good defenses we played in 2010 - Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri. None of those defenses were as good as Michigan State, Ohio State, or Penn State, but all of those teams had one goal in mind going into the game - stop Taylor Martinez from beating them with his legs. In 2010, Martinez couldn't beat them, and Roy Helu beat Missouri. In 2011, Martinez could beat them. When opposing defenses schemed to take away his running ability, he improved at managing the offense to beat those teams by distributing the ball. He still got beat sometimes too, and he still left some yards out on the field - but he's still a sophomore too, and I'm confident he'll progress from year 2 - year 3 just like he did from year 1 - year 2.

 

Anyways, you don't need to look at stats to know that Iowa's defense is stronger than 2010 K-State, or that Washington's was stronger than 2010 Washington. After the first five games this year, Martinez's decision making and completion percentage improved dramatically (only thrown 2 interceptions since the Wisconsin game), and the offense/QB play was more consistent than it has been since Zac Taylor. And that's in the first year of a new system which is only going to get better next season, and it's after losing NFL talent at WR and RB.

 

Of the things that worry me about next season, Taylor Martinez is at the bottom of the list, only slightly above Rex Burkhead. How is our o-line going to improve and build depth over the offseason? When are our WRs going to stop routinely dropping catchable passes? Are the young playmakers (Heard, Green, Abdullah, Turner) going to get more comfortable in every aspect of the offense so that the coaches are actually willing to put them on the field? How can the defense possibly make up for losing Lavonte David and Alfonzo Dennard?

 

QB play is way, way down the list.

[Warrior10]

No doubt it causes problems because of his running threat, but on the flip side, they have to worry a lot less about confusing him with blitzes and coverages. That is where he is still very average - JMO. I forget which team it was this year, too, one of the players afterwards said it was the simplest defensive GP they'd ever put in.

 

Taylor may have that running ability, but so far, at least, he is a limiting factor on the O. (Just my opinion, again, and whether or not we may have anyone who could be better...) - I think that is why we have all these promising WRs, but we don't get a ton of production out of them. Why we have a TE matchup nightmare like Reed, but he is way underutilized. Why we have three stud freshman RBs, but none of them get significant carries after Taylor and Rex get their share.

 

Taylor was taking fewer and fewer carries as the year went on, and when Rex is taking 30-40, I don't think you can say that Taylor is taking carries away from the freshman RBs.

 

Kyler Reed has been injured most of the season. http://omaha.com/art...IGRED/712069818

 

We're not going to get as much production out of our "promising" receivers as other teams because we're not going to throw the ball as much as other teams. We're also not going to get as much production out of them until they stop dropping 3-5 throws every game.

 

I also don't buy into the analysis that, "Taylor has lost his big play ability from 2010." Look at the good defenses we played in 2010 - Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri. None of those defenses were as good as Michigan State, Ohio State, or Penn State, but all of those teams had one goal in mind going into the game - stop Taylor Martinez from beating them with his legs. In 2010, Martinez couldn't beat them, and Roy Helu beat Missouri. In 2011, Martinez could beat them. When opposing defenses schemed to take away his running ability, he improved at managing the offense to beat those teams by distributing the ball. He still got beat sometimes too, and he still left some yards out on the field - but he's still a sophomore too, and I'm confident he'll progress from year 2 - year 3 just like he did from year 1 - year 2.

 

Anyways, you don't need to look at stats to know that Iowa's defense is stronger than 2010 K-State, or that Washington's was stronger than 2010 Washington. After the first five games this year, Martinez's decision making and completion percentage improved dramatically (only thrown 2 interceptions since the Wisconsin game), and the offense/QB play was more consistent than it has been since Zac Taylor. And that's in the first year of a new system which is only going to get better next season, and it's after losing NFL talent at WR and RB.

 

Of the things that worry me about next season, Taylor Martinez is at the bottom of the list, only slightly above Rex Burkhead. How is our o-line going to improve and build depth over the offseason? When are our WRs going to stop routinely dropping catchable passes? Are the young playmakers (Heard, Green, Abdullah, Turner) going to get more comfortable in every aspect of the offense so that the coaches are actually willing to put them on the field? How can the defense possibly make up for losing Lavonte David and Alfonzo Dennard?

 

QB play is way, way down the list.

 

Agree with you 100%. Martinez has proven he CAN perform, we do not have to worry about him. The freshman havn't proved anything. (Exception of Abdullah and Bell).

[bshirt]

No doubt it causes problems because of his running threat, but on the flip side, they have to worry a lot less about confusing him with blitzes and coverages. That is where he is still very average - JMO. I forget which team it was this year, too, one of the players afterwards said it was the simplest defensive GP they'd ever put in.

 

Taylor may have that running ability, but so far, at least, he is a limiting factor on the O. (Just my opinion, again, and whether or not we may have anyone who could be better...) - I think that is why we have all these promising WRs, but we don't get a ton of production out of them. Why we have a TE matchup nightmare like Reed, but he is way underutilized. Why we have three stud freshman RBs, but none of them get significant carries after Taylor and Rex get their share.

 

Taylor was taking fewer and fewer carries as the year went on, and when Rex is taking 30-40, I don't think you can say that Taylor is taking carries away from the freshman RBs.

 

Kyler Reed has been injured most of the season. http://omaha.com/art...IGRED/712069818

 

We're not going to get as much production out of our "promising" receivers as other teams because we're not going to throw the ball as much as other teams. We're also not going to get as much production out of them until they stop dropping 3-5 throws every game.

 

I also don't buy into the analysis that, "Taylor has lost his big play ability from 2010." Look at the good defenses we played in 2010 - Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri. None of those defenses were as good as Michigan State, Ohio State, or Penn State, but all of those teams had one goal in mind going into the game - stop Taylor Martinez from beating them with his legs. In 2010, Martinez couldn't beat them, and Roy Helu beat Missouri. In 2011, Martinez could beat them. When opposing defenses schemed to take away his running ability, he improved at managing the offense to beat those teams by distributing the ball. He still got beat sometimes too, and he still left some yards out on the field - but he's still a sophomore too, and I'm confident he'll progress from year 2 - year 3 just like he did from year 1 - year 2.

 

Anyways, you don't need to look at stats to know that Iowa's defense is stronger than 2010 K-State, or that Washington's was stronger than 2010 Washington. After the first five games this year, Martinez's decision making and completion percentage improved dramatically (only thrown 2 interceptions since the Wisconsin game), and the offense/QB play was more consistent than it has been since Zac Taylor. And that's in the first year of a new system which is only going to get better next season, and it's after losing NFL talent at WR and RB.

 

Of the things that worry me about next season, Taylor Martinez is at the bottom of the list, only slightly above Rex Burkhead. How is our o-line going to improve and build depth over the offseason? When are our WRs going to stop routinely dropping catchable passes? Are the young playmakers (Heard, Green, Abdullah, Turner) going to get more comfortable in every aspect of the offense so that the coaches are actually willing to put them on the field? How can the defense possibly make up for losing Lavonte David and Alfonzo Dennard?

 

QB play is way, way down the list.

 

Well stated, sir.

 

Those "two" interceptions since the Wisconsin game were a tipped ball and a Hail Mary with two seconds left in the 1st half. So one could argue he's had zero real interceptions since the Wisconsin game (think about that for just a second....the last seven games with the best schedule the Big10 could throw at us...Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, Michigan St, Iowa). Also, just think what his completion percentage would be if our wrs weren't doing their weekly "drop the pass" routine? Hell, just think what he could do if we had a good Oline?

 

Fully agree he's not a problem.