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Guy Chamberlin
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I honestly didn't expect a confessional in the Trump Voter Safe Space. If someone in there is lying or telling the truth, it doesn't much matter. But pretending there's a cushion between not voting for Trump and constantly making excuses for Trump is the most cowardly place to be.
A Trump voter making a full-throated defense of their vote would be refreshing at this point.
A Trump voter making a full-throated defense of their vote would be refreshing at this point.
JJ Husker
Donor
We haven’t got it yet, so I’m guessing we never will. Not surprising. To mount any sort of semi-coherent defense they would have to acknowledge to themselves, even slightly, that they were defensing the indefensible. Easier to drive by with a laughy emoji and keep deluding themselves. Gotta own the libs (which includes anyone remotely left of them or anyone who doesn’t blindly support Trump just like them.)
Guy Chamberlin
Well-known member
I have been other places on the internet -- including my own social media pages -- where Trump voters have no problem either defending or celebrating Trump's re-election. Although......now that I think about it there's been a lot of self-selection in just the last couple weeks. The normal conservative stable reads the room and will not wander in if they sense they're outnumbered.
I'm in an echo chamber of people who are incredibly concerned about the immediate and long-term fate of this country. Sometimes we stop and remind ourselves that half the country is actually thrilled by this development --- this is the morning in America they always dreamed of.
Right? Or is there some disconnect between owning the libs and the real-world consequences of a Trump administration? This is why I want to have an honest conversation with a Trump voter.
Enhance
Administrator
I don't think there's much of a disconnect, just from my anecdotal view.
For however many liberals there are who think the U.S. is on a bad path, there seems to be a relatively comparable number of people who think it's on the right one. I'm in a pretty active online gaming community and a portion of that community is pretty hardcore republican. They have a private chat where the description literally says "red pill only."
I'm not in the chat, and we try to keep things away from politics while we're gaming, but they let slip enough commentary here and there and in our Discord to suggest that they feel things are back on the tracks that they should be.
I don't think the internet is the right hub for that, at least not anymore. Maybe it was at one point. It's too easy to be passive and not have to actually deal with someone's views and contrary opinions. But, it's particularly not going to happen from a thread that was a self-admitted trap laced with performative antagonism.
Archy1221
Well-known member
This is my issue with the thread. It tells me there isn’t going to be an honest conversation both ways. I would participate in good faith if a thread was opened to discuss much of what Guy wants to talk about. I’d give real honest feedback without the snark, or attack vibes, memes, or X posts that I and others give on most every other thread.
If Guy truly wanted a discussion of why people think what they think and vote the way they do on either side of the isle and or the Libertarian point of view, then I hope he opens a new non trap thread. No memes allowed, no X posts to get a point across. No snark geared at a poster. Maybe not immediately attacking someone’s post before actually digesting it. Polite disagreement allowed or find a different thread to participate in. There are plenty of them here for that
What do you say @Guy Chamberlin?
knapplc
Active member
HuskerBoard is different than most social media. Being such a small community, we know a lot about each other. I know Guy lives in Marin, Archy lives in Kansas, I've met Enhance and Lorewarn and Mierin. Everyone knows I'm in Lincoln. There's a more personal nature to political discussions than on most social media, where you know nothing about the person you're talking to.
My two cents - that leads people to be more hesitant about discussing their trump support.
My two cents - that leads people to be more hesitant about discussing their trump support.
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Guy Chamberlin
Well-known member
Do you honestly think I haven't read thousands of your posts over the years and not answered them honestly? Do you think there hasn't been a mix of good faith and snark across the threads, representing each person's personal style?
Do you know why I started the Trump Voter Safe Space? Because not a single poster on HuskerBoard P&R will go on record voting for Donald Trump. I think that's weird. When I admit it's a trap it's because that person would have to expect pushback. Why wouldn't they? I'd like to think it would be more open and polite than the other threads. My desire to understand the Trump voter could not be more sincere. As my OP says, it's the most important thing in the world right now.
You are already doing all your Archy stuff in every other thread, so I'm not sure what you would do differently in the Trump Voter Safe Space. Which, as mentioned, is designed for people who aren't ashamed to say they voted for Donald Trump.
Archy1221
Well-known member
My advice if this is true, try starting a thread like that vs one that is a self proclaimed “trap”.
Giving my opinion with a mix of snark, memes, words, and links while exposing the lies and false posts that Buster makes weekly. Ya Got me!!!
I assume the entirety of your post means you have no interest in a dedicated thread towards learning about and discussing why each side believes what they? Outside of the Utopia threads which admitting don’t accomplish much outside of highlighting the mistakes of the other side of the political isle. Most everyone does that. Oh well, just stick with “the trap” thread I guess.
Enhance
Administrator
I think you're right to an extent, but I also know many people have said to me over the years that they feel Huskerboard's P&R forum is distinctly liberal and that the behaviors of the "group/mob mentality" there turn them off from engaging.
As a result, people have told me they're not interested in posting there, and I'm certain they aren't interested in trying to have an earnest discussion and admission of "why they voted for Trump" because of it. Some might call that cowardly, disassociative, what have you. That may be true, but I also don't think most people want to willingly walk into a perceived firestorm, whether their perception is fair or not.
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knapplc
Active member
As Guy has pointed out on more than one occasion, it is certainly more liberal than most people would expect from a Nebraska-themed forum.
Enhance
Administrator
It does bring interesting question to mind, though...
Do the people who regularly partake in our P&R forum also maintain some kind of active posting presence on other political online forums, particularly ones that aren't left leaning? And if not, I'm curious what drives that engagement here. Is it mostly the gratification of talking with politically like-minded individuals, convenience, or something else? The answer is probably unique to each person, I would think.
It's interesting to me because I would expect people to gravitate toward a space that either typically aligns with their views or is moderate enough that conversations don't happen without much consternation, and so it might explain in part why this board's active P&R posters are more liberal despite the state being pretty red, and why people more in line with Archy's views tend to avoid P&R here.
Do the people who regularly partake in our P&R forum also maintain some kind of active posting presence on other political online forums, particularly ones that aren't left leaning? And if not, I'm curious what drives that engagement here. Is it mostly the gratification of talking with politically like-minded individuals, convenience, or something else? The answer is probably unique to each person, I would think.
It's interesting to me because I would expect people to gravitate toward a space that either typically aligns with their views or is moderate enough that conversations don't happen without much consternation, and so it might explain in part why this board's active P&R posters are more liberal despite the state being pretty red, and why people more in line with Archy's views tend to avoid P&R here.
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Guy Chamberlin
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I think I've been doing great without your advice, and I chose my words specifically to address everything I expected you to bring up, which you pretty much ignored. Read the OP again, dips#!t.
If you'd like to speak on behalf of the Trump voter -- of which you clearly were not in 2024 -- go ahead. But that's what makes this like every other thread.
What makes the Shed different is that I can call you a dips#!t.
Archy1221
Well-known member
At least you are publicly off your cow fantasies! Good start.
Now about you starting a much better more relevant “non trap” thread. Get going on it
ZRod
Well-known member
I'd say P&R is fairly centrist, but decidedly anti-Trump. BRB, JJ, and TG are major contributors who are on the right of a true political spectrum, and oppose the orange doofus. To call that opposition left leaning is another symptom of a greater problem; the delusion of the MAGA movement, which is without a doubt extreme far right and this time around truly fascist.
Nobody wants to have to justify their own s#!tty choices is the real answer as to why they don't participate. They'd rather embrace tribalism and burn it all down to see their team win rather than have to think about the actual consequences of their decisions and who they hurt (themselves and their loved ones). I can appreciate the feeling of being mobbed, but when you say or support stupid things you should expect to be told your wrong and why. A person interested in self growth and learning would revaluate their position, and come away with the logical conclusion that the further support of Trump is untenable. They would be applauded by most here for being open to changing their mind.
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