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2 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

He didn’t need any patience at all though.   The formation and route combined with the defensive formation tells HH pre-snap that if the safety doesn’t take back steps at an angle towards the interior receiver, then the ball goes deep over the middle.   That read happens immediately as HH should be looking directly at the safety during the initial drop back.  
 

That safety squatted and came forward before HH got two steps into his drop.   A good HS QB makes this read pretty easily.  

You're spot on with this comment in the bold.  I get HH wasn't our starter to start the year so we need to lower expectations but our QB play is just blatantly missing fundamental defensive read + route progression principles.  This is a big reason why I'm so pissed at satt for calling that pass play on 3rd and goal with purdy and the game tied- if our qbs cannot read and react against basic formation/route principles with a whole field, y in the hell should we expect them to do with a much shortened field where the secondary is essentially stacked and has the end zone covered.

22 minutes ago, runningblind said:

I appreciate the business. I simply want something worthwhile on the board to talk about you know? Why isn't there 64 pages about the defense who plays good football? Why must we grind this dead horse into pulp when it's not changing this year? In just curious about that mostly. 

 

@Archy1221I like to hit "next unread topic" as I enjoy reading the messages, but do get annoyed sometimes when it's the same crap over and over and over.  Make sense?  I feel like that's a fair opinion.

Because how else are the keyboard warriors supposed to belittle and talk crap to you when the topic is something everyone generally agrees on?!?!

1 hour ago, Husker in WI said:

 

I agree with your premise on not living in the portal year to year - but we're taking another one next year anyway. I don't think we can count on any true freshman saving us right away. But hopefully down the line we can avoid constantly needing to grab a QB from the portal.

 

It's also more difficult than it sounds to keep a homegrown QB room. I don't think Martinez was among our biggest problems on the field to be honest, but any 4-year starter is going to make QB recruiting more difficult. If Kaelin wins the job and looks good, that will negatively impact our 2025 and 2026 QB recruiting. Or with the one-time free transfer, at least make it more difficult to keep those guys after they don't win the job.

 

As far as number of QBs and their qualifications (recruiting ranking and/or play at previous schools), honestly we've done well since Frost's second year. Just through misevaluations or poor coaching, too many have underperformed what you'd expect from their pedigree and experience.

I honestly think we need 2 transfer QBs.  There isnt a qb in the room right now that should even sniff 2nd string for us next year, they've been that pitiful

Wasnt saying martinez was the problem on the field- moreso frost's steadfast loyalty the to guy.  I get the sense he purposely pooched a few recrutiing cycles at the qb spot when 2AM was young and then didnt want to bring anyone in to ruffle feathers.  It left us high and dry leaning on a qb (who was great for us) who pretty much carried us and got beat the hell up and the only backup option frosty seemed intrigued by was mccaffrey and that was a disaster when he was qb.

Let this be a lesson to us all- you simply cannot live and die by the portal year in and year out, particularly at a position of utmost important like QB.  I dont like bagging on frosty at this point because its been well covered, but so much of this issue goes back to us hitching our wagon to 2AM and pretty much refusing to bring in another qb until 2am was an upperclassmen.  We as a progrum left very little options besides going into the portal and we're left with a swing and a miss on a portal guy, forcing a local kid who prolly 2nd/3rd string at best, and another project from the portal that simply doesn't seem to P5 material consistently. 

Lets hope Kaelin is the start of us building out a qb room organically and truly up-leveling QBs where they dont play until they're truly ready and their time is now.  

43 minutes ago, gobiggergoredder said:

The elephant in the room about the Minnesota game is they are not even in that game without Sims running ability.

 

I still think the only way this team wins another game is with Sims at QB.  While not turning the ball over.  Not good odds.

These 2 sentences will never occur together, its simply not possible.  11 turnovers in 11 quarters of play?!? Good riddance

7 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Yeah, NU’s momentum was so destroyed by Sims’ pick before half, they went on to take the opening kickoff of the 2nd half for a big return and then successfully run a trick play for a go-ahead TD. Then NU went on and dominated both sides of the ball for the next quarter and a half, and lead by 7 with the ball before Grant’s fumble. I would say the team responded well after Sims INT.

 

I agree that Sims has turned out to be a very bad QB. But, he did enough good things in the Minnesota game for NU to win that game. People just want to take the easy way out and pin the loss on him. 

I mean, yah, if you just want to remember the pick in the first half as his only turnover.  He had 3 INTs on the day- the last one of which occurred AFTER the grant fumble to give minny the ball and a short field to kick the game winning FG.

Perhaps that game is a bit shady in your memory bank because Sims doubled down in following weeks with even more atrocious play.  I cant blame ya, I wish I could selectively blank out his clown performances out there

46 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Grant’s fumble was the costliest turnover for the Minnesota game. 

40 minutes ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Agree that the pick before half wasn’t great. Despite that NU was in great position to win the game before Grant’s fumble.  There were a lot of mistakes by numerous players which led to the NU loss against Minnesota. 

Eh, I disagree man- Sims int to end the first half directly took points off of the board and just destroyed momentum we were building.  Not to mention it was such an egregious mistake made by a "team leader" at the most important position on the field.  Grant was known prior to the season to have fumbling issues and I believe was our 3rd string RB entering the game?

You can make an argument either way.  I'm just so disgusted by Sims presence in this progrum that I'm probably a bit biased in this lol.  Good riddance to him man, didnt think it was possible for someone to pass the low bar set by sam keller as a total dud entering this program and Sims somehow found a way. 

9 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

This is true and it's impossible to prove. But......it's also hard to imagine a marginally better quarterback not making the difference in a 13-10 loss like last week. 

Ditto for minnesota which was also 13-10.  Maryland is much worse to me- at least minny was week 1 and on the road- this past weekend was just a disgusting day for the QBs as a whole.  
 

18 minutes ago, Hilltop said:

9-1...  With Ok offensive play, we beat Colorado imo.  

Ya know, I dont disagree with this but ill still give us the L for sake of argument purposes.  Who knows what wouldve happened had we just put up 14-21 early in that game when defense was playing great....

tho knowing this team, had we won against colorado we prolly would've come out flat against one of the illinois/nw/purdue games.  This team still no shows games similar to last iterations- not as severely but i dont know how else to explain the michigan state game.  

1 hour ago, Undone said:

 

Good stuff!

 

Sometimes total season interceptions & total season fumbles lost isn't as meaningful as it at first seems as far as how it directly impacts the W/L columns. Example: You're Nebraska and you're playing a Top 10 team where the realistic odds of winning are probably less than 10% and we have a ton of turnovers in that one game. Doesn't really matter that much; you weren't winning that one anyway, and then the turnovers from that one game skew the numbers greatly.

 

The completion percentage comparisons between this year's QB efforts and Thompson last year when taking Palmer's targets out are the most interesting stat.

 

But that said, fumbles and just total number of dumb mistakes this year has been insane and has definitely contributed to the W/L column in huge, huge ways.

 

Last year we would have made a bowl game if probably just about anybody not named Erik Chinander was coaching the defense starting in March of 2022 up through the Georgia Southern game.

This year we'd probably be sitting at 8-2 right now with a mediocre QB.  Worst qb room in CFB P5 History

1 hour ago, Toe said:

 

Been a while since I was swearing at Corcoran, too. The injury might have something to do with that, but you know.

Lol, raiola as assistant of the year after white is a ridiculous take.  If the answer is any one but Knighton, its incorrect.  The d line not only has a few successes of guys leveling up finally (nash and t rob) but clearly the future is bright as hell with the young guys.

I'm sorry, and maybe I'm in the minority, but I haven't been overly impressed by the o line at all.  Sure, the penalties have been down in recent weeks but so much of our rushing stats is padded by long QB runs on play breakdowns and some chunk runs here and there.  If you take away johnson's 29 yard run in the 4th and chubba's rushes, our run game was pitiful this past weekend.  I will give them kuddos for cleaning up the penalties recently but that should be expected given how undisciplined that unit has been for years on end.  The only bright spot has been there's been zero drop off, and if anything, a bit cleaner play with the younger guys and teddy finally looking like hes somewhat back up to speed.  I am hopeful the freshman on the team now, plus a couple key recruits this year will mean continued improvement and more depth- but I haven't see s#!t this year to be raving about raiola.  

I'll be impressed when I see us actually eat up a team in the run game or put away a team in the 4th.  Its not like we're not calling run plays, its just inneffective and often leaves our offense in 2nd/3rd and long which is a disaster waiting to happen with turnover prone QBs (by disaster waiting to happen I mean we've tuned into disaster after disaster all season).

Edit: @Toe for some reason I couldn';t quote the post you referenced, fyi, was more responding to that post lol

On 11/11/2023 at 1:20 PM, HuskerX said:

He's not what we all had hoped he would be, and we all know it. Hell, even Rhule has to know it by now. It is what it is.

tell us how ya really feel

In all seriousness, I admire your conviction and confidence in using the word "we".  You even let it be known Rhule is included in that as well, cant argue against that

11 hours ago, UniversalMartin said:

People spewing "the coaches suck" at this point and time with the OBVIOUS lack of skill we have offensively, fall into 1 of these 2 camps.

 

1) Their understanding of football is based off off movies such as "The Program" or "Varsity Blues".

 

Or

 

2) They are Trolls

 

 

I agree with most of what you said . That being said, yesterday was completely inexcusable man. You simply cannot call a pass play that is across the field within the 10 with a 3rd string qb who hasn’t played all year. You’re right, many of these posts r ridiculous,  but that play call was beyond ridiculous to the point where you can’t defend it.

You can make a case that every single positional group has improved this year (excluding RB and WR due to injuries). The one group that has been an abject failure is the qb room.  Sure, the qbs have made mistakes but at the end of the day, it’s a reflection of the coach at hand. Said coach not only has failed to develop and improve any of the qbs this year, he’s also consistently put this team in a position that simply doesn’t set us up to win games. He deserves another year but hot damn, I am not happy at all with what I’ve seen on the field vs what was sold to us in the off-season; it reaks of them

telling us what we want to hear and then when it comes to the actual games it’s the complete opposite 

I find it sadistically comical that frosty could move the ball but couldn’t play defense. And now we can’t move the ball but we can play defense…..

what if Rhule brought in frosty for OC… lol

…. kidding………. 

18 minutes ago, lo country said:

That's where I am at as well. Embrace physicality.  Win games in the 4th quarter.  Land body blows etc....Passing in the red zone with a 3rd string QB who hasn't probably thrown against anyone in months that was a starter or in the 2 deep isn't landing body blows.  Not using a FB to blow up a CB on an option or toss isn't a body blow.  And D's are simply pinning their ears back and blasting in.  A counter or reverse would work. Until they stop it.  But to stop it, they slow pursuit, have backers play a little further off, opens up lanes for running.  Or maybe rolling out the QB to hit receivers with single coverage.  I have seen very little of this from Satt.  Again, what he wants and what Rhule wants appear to be different.

 

People can argue all day that "what Satt is dialing up" would work with a better QB better, receiver play, or OL.  We don't have those.  A good OC finds way to address this.  Counter an aggressive D.  Finds plays that his guys can make.  I'm sick and tired ot too many NU OC's running plays for guys they want not the ones they have.  And I have seen that Chubba audibled out of that play into a pass....Or it was an RPO....Or that receivers ran the wrong route.  Guess what.  Satt calls a run, none of that crap comes up.  Takes it all out of Chubba's hands.  Send the play in run or you're done.  That's still on Satt.  With your 3rd string QB, who for all intents and purposes has not gone up against an actual D until 4 minutes left in todays game.  Not thinking he was going against our starters o 2 deep at all.  (I could be wrong, maybe scout team QB).  But no way does a competent OC put the game on a qb in that situation..

PREACH

1 hour ago, lo country said:

I'll add on to this. One game, forget which one it looks like Rhule got onto Satt for some sh!t call.  IMHO, there is a disconnect between Rhule and Satt.  Satt wants to be this creative genius and show how smart he is.  Rhule was 3 yards and a cloud of dust.  

 

The two back sets, I formation, use of a FB appear to just be words to satify a fan base.  Yes we "use" them, but not in a way to actually generate offense.  Do counters.  No traps.  Little FB in red zone or short yardage.  No shuttle pass.  Nothing.  Our option game is a joke.  Doesn't know when to pitch to suck the D in.  A complete rebuild on O next year.  Other than EJ, not a lot of bright spots.  Need more dogs at skill positions.  Not enough to just talk about it.  Dudes need to be about it...

Isn’t it pretty telling that our 2 biggest plays this year was an option pass recommendation relayed from Osborne to Rhule? 
 

if anything, what they were advertising in the off-season is even more critical now with the injuries. I get we’re down RBs, but a FB or a TE in motion and some counters would work wonders to open up some holes for the run game and put the defense on the heels. Instead, we rarely have a lead blocker and defenses can just key in on either a read option to a rb that is slow developing or key in on a qb who is fast when he gets going but isn’t shifty or quick on the feet.

I won’t even bother diving into the whole qb designed runs with sims who averages 3 fumbles a game 

3 hours ago, TherealTomOsborne said:

Michigan tested us and we found out quick that our #1 rushing offense is a sham.  Nobody seems to remember this.

It was our #1 defense, not offense 

1 hour ago, admo said:

For this season he has called plays accordingly for all the injuries and all the backups playing with limited experience.  He has been running a fairly vanilla offense.  Look how many different guys this offense has used at QB, RB, WR, OL. And it's the players that run wrong routes or throw interceptions and fumble and give up sacks.  And even the HC said Satt would love to open up the offense if we were in a better position to do so (not word for word).  I think the last INT was on Satt. I think there are times he has called some stinky plays at certain times.  But overall and over the course of the year with all the newbies and injuries, he's played it safe and ran the ball a lot.  I hope I answered your question.

Fair; and thanks for the perspective bro. I just can’t stand his passing decisions in the red zone lol

2 minutes ago, admo said:

Thanks.  I think Satt has done a decent job throughout the year.  My point is that he should have known better than anyone else at that moment.  Purdy might have thrown a beautiful TD pass, and we celebrate, but why risk it? Why get greedy for 4 extra points?  A lead in this type of game after 56 minutes is huge.  

 

Like I said, Satt isn't bad playcaller but in this case he should have been the smartest guy in the room at that time, understanding the situation. Run the ball on third down, play it safe, kick it and take the 3 points at home.  That result gives the team the lead, and gets the defense and home crowd all fired up.  Maryland would have felt more pressure playing behind from it.  So yeah, it was a high risk play call and bad idea to put it on the 3rd string QB throwing on 3rd and goal.  

I am genuinely curious, what has this offense shown or satt displayed that leaves you content with him So far? He owns the qb room and offense- every qb has the yips, he is putting them in a position to fail with so many of these calls. He calls NfL style passing designs within the redzone with no scholarship receivers and a qb who isn’t fit to be a p5 player. 
 

The chubba int today looked eerily similar to the Minnesota one. He’s calling qb option reads when said qbs lack Iq and ball security .

12 minutes ago, huskered17 said:

Why throw it twice on first and goal at the 6. We had been running it down their throats.        GBR!!!

Because satt loves to keep the other team, our fans and the world guessing as to wtf is next 

43 minutes ago, Decoy73 said:

The gamble and subsequent loss on taking Simms in the Portal hurts big time, but the offense as a whole was pretty void of experienced playmakers, plus the injuries....

 

All things considered, I just don't think firing a coordinator (as many are angrily drunk posting) is the way to go.  

Everything you said in the first paragraph is right. A solid OC, however, calls a game to what he has. We clearly do not have a solid OC, not even close 

I haven’t had a single drink and I want him gone. We’re seeing the same baffling calls in the redzone we saw in week 1.  We rarely see I, strong or weak running formations and instead see constant read option/delay option plays with QBs that have clearly shown below average IQ, decision making and ball security.

there is not a single thing about this offense that resembles what was sold to us in the off-season and they somehow look more inept each week. 
 

We have the worst qb room in p5 CFB history

Rhule and Satt are skating on thin ice before credibility is completely loss. “We want to be power run, win with defense”

the Minnesota game, last week and this s#!t show today were completely counter to this 

43 minutes ago, Hayseed said:

That's true....and a good QB wouldn't throw it away. Do you know where we can get a good QB? As far as I'm concerned they can hire Solich and run pro sets and option.

The sad part is we don’t even need a good qb. A below average qb would have us at 7-3 right now. We quite possibly have the worst QB room in P5 CFB history. 

1 minute ago, Hayseed said:

I've completely changed my mind about blaming Satterfield for calling real Division 1 plays. There's nothing you can call when every QB jut throws it away or fumbles like a Pee Wee league player.
We are where we deserve to be.
Crouch would've scored 7 times with the same players.

You know what you don’t call? A long horizontal pass play with a short field, at home , with a 3rd string qb.

he’s limited in options for sure but that play call is inexcusable for a HS cosch, much less the 2nd highest paid state employee 

1 minute ago, chamrocck said:

Ok then get Paul Chryst tonight. Raiola has no business on this staff either.

 

To me it is more about the lack of talent. Tired of taking guys from local schools when we need NIL to take recruits out of CA, TX, FL.  We are not a serious program. I like Rhule but he has a very tough job ahead of him. 

If Rhule and Satt could’ve just found a below average qb in the portal, we’d probably be 7-3 right now. We aren’t that far off, it just seems that way because Satt and Rhule have assembled quite possibly the worst QB room in p5 CFB history

4 minutes ago, PaulCrewe said:

This is such a Scott Frost type of loss

Naw, this one might be worse than any frost had. Particularly if we lose to Wisconsin and Iowa.

this was a clear display of incompetence to finest degree. Rhule should be ashamed