My bottom line on the talent discussion is this: At the end of the year, I will bet that Michigan St, Wisky and Iowa all 3 have more NFL draft ready players than we do. Is that because they are developed better, under the radar recruits, or what ever, they have been producing more NFL talent than we have had. So either our ratings/rankings are completely misaligned or were not and have not developed players for along time. You have to have talent to win, just as much as you have to develop it. You have to have something to develop. I think its a two fold problem. Talent is lacking, and developing it has lacked for some time. Winning is an attitude. Winning a game against a really good team goes along ways in building that attitude. We haven't had those wins since Solich was here, and he struggled against the better teams as well.