Guy Chamberlin

Feel free to post a link to my actual comments instead of more of your weak paraphrasing and I'll try to explain it to you. Just scroll up to post #117 on this thread. If you've got a second, glance at the number of +1s in the lower right hand corner. Apparently you didn't understand the question. That's the post I responded to. You said "When I pointed out that Bo Pelini inherited a 7- 5 team at Youngstown State, brought in some of his own Power 5 studs, and is now coaching sub-500 football and complaining about the 14,000 seat stadium being half-full, you insisted that context was everything. " So where is the link to the bolded? Then I'll try to explain it in terms you'll understand. (I'm trying to be optimistic.) Jesus, dude. The fact that you defended Bo by trying to put his Youngstown State shortcomings in context WAS the context. If you make me write another post on this, I'm billing you for my time.

Feel free to post a link to my actual comments instead of more of your weak paraphrasing and I'll try to explain it to you. Just scroll up to post #117 on this thread. If you've got a second, glance at the number of +1s in the lower right hand corner.

Unfortunately, we will never know for sure, will we? However one can accurately gauge the sh!t storm that comes if Riley is currently 3-6, and yes, I think a lot of people hollering and screaming at that 3-6 record wouldn't be doing so if Nebraska sat at 7-2. So trying to equate Riley's actual 3-6 with a Riley hypothetical 7-2 and then dis the fans for their hypothetical displeasure is weak sauce indeed. I'm not trying to equate the records. If anything, I'm trying to point out how impossible it is to equate anything. There's nothing hypothetical about whether a segment of these posters would have been disappointed with Riley sitting at 7-2 right now, as they stated their expectations prior to the season. Speaking of which: if Bo Pelini was 7-2 prior to the Michigan State game, I'm guessing it would have been the death knell for Bo Pelini, as neither of those two losses would have been acceptable to the growing horde convinced that Bo had reached his ceiling. I can only base my speculation on years of reading HuskerBoard.

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I actually don't know Perelman's perception among fellow chancellors or his list of verifiable achievements on the academic level. Picking the football coach shouldn't be a top priority, but it's certainly important enough to warrant some thought and scrutiny. I went to UNL when Osborne was coach and the football team was slightly less controversial (Tom's inability to beat Oklahoma/Switzer generated outrage that would be familiar to this thread), but we had the worst Board of Regents of any major university.

I think a clean program and solid leadership of young men is important, too, but the coach who literally spits in the face of his assistant coaches, pits the players against the fans to protect his own shortcomings, fields a team that consistently reflects his own lack of discipline, and calls his boss a kunt, adding to his national reputation as the thin-skinned hothead who represents Nebraska, challenges my definition of "clean." His brother, the defensive coordinator, would have been my favorite uncle, but perhaps not the standard definition of clean, either. The other winning HC who got fired also enjoyed alcohol and young women who weren't his wife. Both were fired for not winning the right games. Their personal liabilities simply made it easier. Or maybe it was the other way around. Either way, let's not kid ourselves. This is still about winning football games, something Mike Riley needs to do very quickly. If it was about clean programs and meaningful experience, we'd be considering Shawn Eichorst's efforts on behalf of the multi-faceted UNL athletic program, including a new national profile for baseball, basketball, women's volleyball and more. Keep spreading the lies. Hopefully, Frank's attorney sees them at some point. Frank's a good guy and a good coach and I didn't agree with his firing. But I'm not the least bit worried about the veracity of this claim.

Imagine a pencil-necked administrator running a major state university? When will Nebraska hire a true football guy to be our Chancellor! By the way, how are the other 22 varsity teams at the University of Nebraska doing, and are they distracting our athletic director?

I think a clean program and solid leadership of young men is important, too, but the coach who literally spits in the face of his assistant coaches, pits the players against the fans to protect his own shortcomings, fields a team that consistently reflects his own lack of discipline, and calls his boss a kunt, adding to his national reputation as the thin-skinned hothead who represents Nebraska, challenges my definition of "clean." His brother, the defensive coordinator, would have been my favorite uncle, but perhaps not the standard definition of clean, either. The other winning HC who got fired also enjoyed alcohol and young women who weren't his wife. Both were fired for not winning the right games. Their personal liabilities simply made it easier. Or maybe it was the other way around. Either way, let's not kid ourselves. This is still about winning football games, something Mike Riley needs to do very quickly. If it was about clean programs and meaningful experience, we'd be considering Shawn Eichorst's efforts on behalf of the multi-faceted UNL athletic program, including a new national profile for baseball, basketball, women's volleyball and more.

I could have sworn you were providing pitchforks and torches, but glad to see you're a reasonable man or woman who'd prefer not to over-react like the unwashed hordes.

Using that logic, you could also say that 4 losses every year was Bo's ceiling. Nope. Firing Frank was the right move. Hiring Callahan was the wrong move. Similar to where we are now. Firing Bo was the right move. Hiring Riley may be the wrong move. You're just not getting it. When you fire a coach like Frank (especially) and Bo, you're guaranteeing (or nearly so) that you'll get a Callahan or a Riley (who is off to a horrendous start). I freaking hope you're not serious. I'm completely serious. You don't attract the best talent when they know coming in that they will have such a short leash. Unless you throw down many millions a year. Lincoln is not an enticing place for almost anyone with options. So you're saying Husker fans should show a little more patience with new coaches?

If the receivers didn't drop any passes . . . If the OL held their blocks just a little longer . . . If the coaches called timeouts in crucial sutuations when needed (last play against Illinois) . . . If my aunt had balls . . . Not surprised you're willfully missing the point. I'm saying one player -- the most important player -- could negate all the above. Not counting your aunt's conflicted genitalia. That player is also among the leaders in offense in the league and country. Quit looking to scapegoat players in defense of a .500 coach doing what a .500 coach does. It just looks desperate. Didn't realize you were a fan of the volume passing game. Tommy Armstrong appears to be a .500 passer, doing what a .500 passer does. Is it hard for you to envision a more reliable passer making a positive difference on this team? And in a season of razor thin defeats, do you deny even a slight improvement by this one player might translate to more wins? Wait. You'd still be composing the same posts regardless. Never mind. It's hard for me to imagine a coaching staff that can't win with Armstrong figuring out how to win with a succession of QBs. POB, I know, is the next Tom Brady. But what if they don't get another one of those guys? Really? You can't imagine it? Lots of coaching staffs passed on guys like Armstrong and Martinez as their starting QBs, because they preferred solid single threat QBs to exciting but unpredictable dual threat QBs. POB doesn't need to be Tom Brady. Not even close. That's the point. Connor Cook completes 58% of his passes. That's 6% more than Armstrong. Dozens of starting quarterbacks -- and second string quarterbacks -- are more efficient than Tommy. It's hard NOT to imagine a marginally more accurate passer winning a game or two that required a single fourth quarter first down. Let me take this a slightly different direction: If Joe Ganz had one more year of eligibility, Bo Pelini finishes in the Top 10 in 2009 and is still Nebraska's coach today. And Joe Ganz wasn't Tom Brady, either. Actually, it's 57.5 versus 53.5; a matter of 4 percent (not 6, as you claimed). And that's despite throwing 30 more attempts this year, including during hurricane conditions at Illinois. But, boiling it down, your argument is that with a guy who might be slightly better than our QB, we are 5-4 instead of 3-6. Hopefully with wins over two teams that are among the worst coached in P5 (Illinois and Purdue). Do you think that'd be cause for celebration? Right. Only a 4% better passer can make a big difference. And since were in hypothetical land, let's go ahead and make Nebraska 9 - 0 with that marginally more accurate quarterback, since we've decided Bo Pelini would be undefeated by now, too. Let's just agree that it's a really weird year that neither Riley fan or detractor had predicted, and what happens next is hardly more predictable.

If the receivers didn't drop any passes . . . If the OL held their blocks just a little longer . . . If the coaches called timeouts in crucial sutuations when needed (last play against Illinois) . . . If my aunt had balls . . . Not surprised you're willfully missing the point. I'm saying one player -- the most important player -- could negate all the above. Not counting your aunt's conflicted genitalia. That player is also among the leaders in offense in the league and country. Quit looking to scapegoat players in defense of a .500 coach doing what a .500 coach does. It just looks desperate. Didn't realize you were a fan of the volume passing game. Tommy Armstrong appears to be a .500 passer, doing what a .500 passer does. Is it hard for you to envision a more reliable passer making a positive difference on this team? And in a season of razor thin defeats, do you deny even a slight improvement by this one player might translate to more wins? Wait. You'd still be composing the same posts regardless. Never mind. It's hard for me to imagine a coaching staff that can't win with Armstrong figuring out how to win with a succession of QBs. POB, I know, is the next Tom Brady. But what if they don't get another one of those guys? Really? You can't imagine it? Lots of coaching staffs passed on guys like Armstrong and Martinez as their starting QBs, because they preferred solid single threat QBs to exciting but unpredictable dual threat QBs. POB doesn't need to be Tom Brady. Not even close. That's the point. Connor Cook completes 58% of his passes. That's 6% more than Armstrong. Dozens of starting quarterbacks -- and second string quarterbacks -- are more efficient than Tommy. It's hard NOT to imagine a marginally more accurate passer winning a game or two that required a single fourth quarter first down. Let me take this a slightly different direction: If Joe Ganz had one more year of eligibility, Bo Pelini finishes in the Top 10 in 2009 and is still Nebraska's coach today. And Joe Ganz wasn't Tom Brady, either.

If the receivers didn't drop any passes . . . If the OL held their blocks just a little longer . . . If the coaches called timeouts in crucial sutuations when needed (last play against Illinois) . . . If my aunt had balls . . . Not surprised you're willfully missing the point. I'm saying one player -- the most important player -- could negate all the above. Not counting your aunt's conflicted genitalia. That player is also among the leaders in offense in the league and country. Quit looking to scapegoat players in defense of a .500 coach doing what a .500 coach does. It just looks desperate. Didn't realize you were a fan of the volume passing game. Tommy Armstrong appears to be a .500 passer, doing what a .500 passer does. Is it hard for you to envision a more reliable passer making a positive difference on this team? And in a season of razor thin defeats, do you deny even a slight improvement by this one player might translate to more wins? Wait. You'd still be composing the same posts regardless. Never mind.

Huh. When I pointed out that Bo Pelini inherited a 7- 5 team at Youngstown State, brought in some of his own Power 5 studs, and is now coaching sub-500 football and complaining about the 14,000 seat stadium being half-full, you insisted that context was everything.

Might be noteworthy, but doesn't answer the question I had. I'm merely suggesting Mike Riley would have been blamed rather than credited by some for "motivating" his team to a 7-2 season, as I suspect any two losses prior to MSU would have been unacceptable to the people who didn't like the hire. I think the eyeball test is always required. You want to see effort for all four quarters and new players stepping up, especially when things go south. That's why the continued penalties bugged me more than the close losses early in the season. Now it's more the losses themselves. And no newcomers stepping up to fill the vacuum. Mike Riley would have gotten credit if the scrappy team that suffered two last second losses had rebounded to score a couple last second wins. Then built on that to score an upset of an unbeaten Michigan State. But that doesn't appear to be happening.

ESPN's college football panel voted Nebraska #1 and #3 in its poll of all-time greatest college football teams. They allowed Lee Corso and Chris Fowler to appear in the UNL-produced legacy video, declaring Nebraska football fans the most knowledgeable, and the Lincoln gameday experience the best in all college football. Jack Hoffman's Spring Game Run won the ESPY for the best single event in the entire year of sports in 2013. Last year Jordan Westerkamp's behind the back catch in the middle of a meaningless game won Best Play in College Football at the ESPYs (fans vote, but ESPN controls the ESPY nominations.) Multiple ESPN pundits launched a Suh for Heisman bandwagon over Tim Tebow in 2009. Sometimes it's ESPN's job to report when bad things happen at Nebraska. And they are never more scathing than Husker fans on this board.

We've made offers in the past to top coordinators and coaches. Urban Meyer turned us down in 2003 while he was at Utah and then took the Florida job. His kids also went on social media laughing saying their dad will not be going to Lincoln back in 2007 and Mark Richt even laughed at the idea back then and AGAIN on a radio program after Bo was fired. There's been rumors we've made offers to: Houston Nutt, Bret Bielema, Mike Zimmer, Jim McElwain, Greg Schiano. And reportedly all turned the job down. The job is not as prestigious as you think BUT... out of all rumored candidates in the past, I do not think the athletic department made a lucrative offer to any of them. If we want quality, we gotta pay up. I'd much rather pay for a successful coach who intends to leave in 2-3 years rather than be stuck in the dumps with a bad coach for 4-5 years that is the world we live in now. Other programs have gotten lucky: LSU, Alabama, Michigan State, Stanford, Oklahoma. I agree to disagree with you. We can't just flash money at every coach. There are going to be a lot of jobs open at the end of the year. We have to be smart about the next hire I do agree we need to hire someone who is not only successful at coaching but is a solid recruiter as well and can surround himself with great associates and recruiters. That laughing isn't because Nebraska is a crap job, it's because coaches rarely make lateral moves unless they have an emotional connection to a particular school . Urban's kids also mocked people on twitter for thinking he was going to Ohio State in 2012 so they obviously don't know sh#t about what jobs a coach might find appealing. Schools get turned down by coaches all the time, is Texas a less prestigious job because Saban didn't want to go there? What about USC getting turned down by Mike Riley, does that mean Nebraska's a more prestigious job than USC? Les Miles turned down Michigan, does that mean Michigan is a less prestigious job than LSU? Of course not. When looking for a coach you have to consider "is the coach a good fit for the school?" and "is the school a good fit for the coach?" Meyer had no interest back in 04 because he recognized what a sh#t show the Athletic department was and frankly, he just probably didn't want to live in Nebraska, the comment that he turned us down because we fired a 9 win coach is bullsh#t. He took a job at Florida replacing a fired coach who had back to back 8-5 seasons and was fired midway through a 7-5 campaign that ended with them being ranked. Hell, Zook wasn't even getting blown out like Bo and Solich were. The expectations at Florida were no less than what he would have had at Nebraska. (I know that wasn't a part of your post but I see that get brought up all the time and it drives me crazy) You pretty much proved my point. I've been saying all along in previous posts that no coach will accept a lateral move to Nebraska and have been more in favor of a coach on the rise or the only unknown, Scott Frost. Agree, Frost will be our best available option and I think it's worth taking a shot. He has the best resume of any coordinator out there. College QB under Walsh and Osborne, National championship ring, 6 years of NFL experience, assistant coach under some alltime greats, experience coaching several positions and experience as both offensive and defensive coordinator. Being a native Nebraskan is just icing on the cake. Yet it's been noted how few of Frost's former teammates have stepped up to recommend him for the HC job. Being from Nebraska is one thing, but apparently Frost has inspired some bad mojo from his fellow Huskers. He'd certainly be a popular choice. But the people who hate "cute" offenses might have to brace themselves.

If Riley were 7-2 right now, there would be a lot of complaints that he was not a significant upgrade over Bo Pelini and should never have been hired.

If the receivers didn't drop any passes . . . If the OL held their blocks just a little longer . . . If the coaches called timeouts in crucial sutuations when needed (last play against Illinois) . . . If my aunt had balls . . . Not surprised you're willfully missing the point. I'm saying one player -- the most important player -- could negate all the above. Not counting your aunt's conflicted genitalia.

My maverick theory is that if merely ONE player had bought into Riley's system better, Nebraska's record and attitude would already be on the upswing. That player is Tommy Armstrong. My understanding is that there have been many crucial plays where Tommy has gone rogue on the playcalling, and has clearly ignored all advice on proper footwork and release, believing his really strong arm will carry the day. He's a gamer, but a high-risk player on a team that needs rhythm more than risk. Going rogue on the new coaching staff might not send the best message to the team either, unless you agree we are a long bomb thrown off the back foot away from glory. I thought Riley and his designated quarterback whisperer could fix him. So yeah, that's on the coaching staff. When they look at the back-up QBs they inherited, they prefer to stick with Tommy. Probably the right call. Given a Newby instead of an Abdullah, it's hard to say the solution was simply to pound the rock more. But in a season where a single first down, a field goal, or an avoidable pick-six could conceivably have the same team and scheme at 8-1, isn't it possible that one of the dozens of quarterbacks in the NCAA who can complete 60% of their passes with minimal mistakes could make a huge difference? Yep. This same Tommy Armstrong went 9-4 last year. Ameer Abdullah and a healthy DPE covered for some of his off-games. It's not a perfect theory. But again, it's hard to imagine that a 60% passer doesn't make the difference in some of these razor thin games.

I'm confused, too. What did we call all the penalties, turnovers and bone headed plays the previous seven seasons? Good question since the amount of those this year is about equal to the total amount over the last 7 seasons. I don't think we've been watching the same team.

I totally agree with this.

I'm confused, too. What did we call all the penalties, turnovers and bone headed plays the previous seven seasons?

This has been a crazy, disappointing and unexpected season. So many places to point the fingers and thumbs. I thought the defense couldn't get any worse, and it did. Yet with all the injuries, combined with the worst coaching in the history of the world, it looked to my eye that a single player -- a competent quarterback completing 60% of his passes -- could have made this exact same team and scheme anywhere from 6-3 to 9-0. And I'm a Tommy Armstrong fan. Well, I was. Exciting as hell, but on a team that needs less excitement and more pedestrian third down conversions. A system quarterback will help a lot, but I don't know how to reverse overnight what is now the fifth season of decline for the Nebraska defense.

Ahem: Those two statements are unrelated. Where does Eichorst say we will win a championship in 2015, 2016, or 2017? So... this program has the players to win championships, but not before they all graduate. Interesting perspective Did he say we have every player at all the right positions we need to win championships? Would he even know, or was that just positive talk? What's he supposed to say: "Our players are sh#t!" Your perspective is not interesting. It's repetitive. Continuing to support this admin in the face of all the evidence of its failure is repetitive. And damaging I don't blindly support this administration. I think Shawn Eichorst should have chased Bo Pelini to Youngstown and beaten him with a sack of doorknobs to get some of the University's money back, but hey, what can you do? Yeah, we should of got rid of him because he wasn't classy enough like you? Unlike me, a violent unwashed fan, Shawn Eichorst showed restraint. Shawn Eichorst also gave Bo Pelini a contract extension, an extra private plane and a bigger recruiting budget, and I'm not sure he even received a proper "thank-you." Now that I think about it, both Bo and Eichorst should have been beaten with a sack of doorknobs.