Husker Dude 6

Yessir (or mam). Great on a resume, terrible to practice. Thankfully it didn't take me long to switch careers after that experience. If you're intending to insult by that comment however, I don't appreciate that. Just because you disagree with my perspective doesn't mean that either of us are wrong. It's just a difference of opinion. No, I don't intend to insult. I intend to call BS. Your clear misunderstanding of entrapment indicates that not only have you never been in law school, but you have not even watched enough Perry Mason reruns to form an educated opinion on what it means. Feel free to cite legal precedent to explain how this situation is a case of entrapment. You might want to start with the definition. I will happily concede your point if you can provide a cogent argument. My argument has been coherent. And I haven't used the word entrapment once in my writing. I also have not said that the police tactic is illegal, I simply disagreed with it. I have been in law school and studied entrapment briefly (Crim law was only a semester so it was pretty quick) but I didn't consider this to be an entrapment situation at all. I'm sorry if that is how you read to understand it. Honestly, I didn't intend to take this discussion out this long. I simply wanted to defend the two kids whose characters were being blasted. They made wrong decisions and I thought some people were being rather harsh towards them and making assumptions about the kids. Sorry to ruffle anyone by disagreeing with their opinions. By the way, I have never seen Perry Mason so that reference was lost on me.

Yessir (or mam). Great on a resume, terrible to practice. Thankfully it didn't take me long to switch careers after that experience. If you're intending to insult by that comment however, I don't appreciate that. Just because you disagree with my perspective doesn't mean that either of us are wrong. It's just a difference of opinion.

Just please stop with this bull$h!t. How are the police creating criminal acts here? It's not bologna. By placing the bikes, the police are essentially creating a stimulus to cause the criminal act. We had all sorts of these scenarios in law school and constantly had to re-evaluate our assumptions and alter our way of thinking. I understand the frustration, I was in your same mindset my entire time there. Sorry if I'm frustrating anyone by providing a different perspective with any of this.

Anytime my friend I'll give you a point there. You still set your premise up as a time-dependent issue so I played on that and in that sense I was correct. However the fact that weed is legal in other states does nullify the 10 year old fact so you are correct with that in mind. Wow can you give me the lottery numbers? You're assuming these people are doing exactly as you read in the paper or see on TV. That is quite an assumption. Not saying it isn't how it happened but you know what happens when you assume... you make an ___ outta you and me. My blinders are off, I've learned to be skeptical of media and not jump to conclusions as you have done. I have read what you wrote, I just disagree. Is it truly being proactive? Hate to tell you that bike theft has not gone down so the proactive approach has not made a difference, no matter how much LPD and UNLPD will try to tell you the numbers have gone down... they haven't. Most people don't report the thefts anymore because it was a hassle dealing with the departments and rarely was anything returned. I was an 18 year old and my bike was stolen... I guess I wasn't as attached to my bike as others are. And you may not think he is a bad person (I applaud you for that) but your words said that you thought he was in fact a bad person because of this one action. I'm sorry you think I'm wrong. They might have more work for them in the long run by being reactive but how moral is it for them to essentially create criminal acts? Don't tell me that the person was going to do the criminal act regardless... he might have but we get into the assumptions game and no one wins that.

Your comparisons are horrible dude. Frustrated with the police for putting a scare tactic with stealing bikes? Kids keep hearing and falling for bait bikes, its going to put a fear in these kids to do it again. Not only just kids, anyone. Homeless guy walking through the campus, coming across a bike. Your missing what they are doing, turning it into a negative when all it is, is a positive. You call it "entrapment", I call it a good service to help protect my belongings. I should have to be scared of my sh#t getting stolen, nor should you, or anyone. I lost respect for this kid, just like Bando. Doesn't mean I don't want the best for them, but you can't be upset with ANYONE, besides these boneheads. Back to your comparison. You bring up buying a 10 YEAR old alcohol. You fail to realize Tolbert is an ADULT, making adult decisions for himself. Marijuana is illegal, and as long as its illegal, it shouldn't be tolerated. The difference between his and Joseph's deal, Tolbert isn't hurting anyone, not even himself. Joseph is STEALING people's sh#t. Neither are right, I am just not as upset about one as much as I am the other. My comparisons are horrible? I would disagree, I simply used your logic senor. It is not all positive, very few people think the crime is stopping by any reasonable amount. I am upset that they made poor judgments. I do feel for them that their names get publicized as much due to their status as football players but it comes with the territory and they know that. I didn't fail to realize that he was an "ADULT" at all. You said that marijuana would be legal someday like it is in other states. Again, I used your logic and applied it to a different set of circumstances based on your premise that weed would one day be legalized. I'm not saying that these guys were in the right, they weren't. But we shouldn't rush to judge the entire situation quite yet.

Where did i say that this guy was habitual, i just said i doubt it is the first illegal thing he has done. You dont go from clean to stealing bikes. And if you get pulled over you are breaking the law... but comparing speeding to stealing a bike is like comparing Nebraska to Florida when talking about a vacation spot.... This isnt a trick.. it is a way to put people on their guard to not do illegal things, just like your little speed trap thing. You said, "I am sure that most of the people who steal one of those bikes aren't doing something illegal for the first time." Therefore that implies that you assume this person has done other crimes before and hence made it a habit. I'm not comparing the crimes in terms of how offensive they are to ethics/morals, I am simply playing on your words that this person is a bad person because he broke the law. I agree with you that Joseph did break the law, I am simply disagreeing with law enforcement's way of catching this person. Please don't take my words to mean that he is justified to take anything at all, I think it was wrong and he will justifiably receive punishment because of his actions. Yup had stuff stolen from me. Stuff I even *paid* for. You're making assumptions that the guy was going to steal a bike without question. None of us were there so who's to say that it was only bike on the rack. It was still a wrong move on his part but it makes me wonder whether he would have done it if he wasn't tempted. What's that saying about your trust in people that you assume Joseph would take someone else's bike had the bait bike not been there? You find a kid who smokes drugs more acceptable than someone who takes a bike? I'm sorry you feel that way. Didn't the little thief take the bike without question? Who gives a f#*k if it was or wasn't the only bike? ITS NOT HIS, HE SHOULDN'T TOUCH IT. Simple as that, and I can't believe there are people who think this is even the slightest big OKAY. As far as me thinking some kid smoking marijuana is more okay that stealing... let me remind you of this... one is legal in some states and soon to be all, while the other ISN'T AND WON'T BE LEGAL EVERRRRR! See above, you're not understanding what I am writing and that is okay. Just read through it and you'll see that I agree, he should not have done it. Not once did I say that theft was okay by any stretch. I apologize if you mistook my frustration with the police tactics as my way of giving Joseph some type of free pass... He'll get his punishment. Based on that logic, would you support buying alcohol for a ten year old?... No? Just because it could be legal for them in 11 years (or hopefully longer with weed being legal), doesn't justify their actions now.

I think I'm the only one who has said he has a problem with the trap system around campus. And to answer your question, No... The police should definitely investigate and stop theft. However, (personally) I don't agree with trapping and "setting up" college students is the right thing to do. By putting bait bikes around campus it is placing unnecessary temptations for the kids. He shouldn't have taken it but if no bait is there, there is no theft. Let me ask you a question... have you ever had anything stolen from you? I have. I have had a $3000 stereo system stolen out of my vehicle, and when I was younger, I had my $400 Haro stolen from in ffront of my house. 13 years old, I payed for that bike BY MYSELF with a paper route. Its NOT a great feeling knowing something you worked for and payed for was taken from you. Your being serious? "it is placing unnecessary temptations for the kids", if it wasn't the bait bike, it was some other innocent person's bike being taken. Is this you Bando? Joseph? I find a kid smoking marijuana more "acceptable" than some stupid thief who likes to take sh#t from hard working people. Yup had stuff stolen from me. Stuff I even *paid* for. You're making assumptions that the guy was going to steal a bike without question. None of us were there so who's to say that it was only bike on the rack. It was still a wrong move on his part but it makes me wonder whether he would have done it if he wasn't tempted. What's that saying about your trust in people that you assume Joseph would take someone else's bike had the bait bike not been there? You find a kid who smokes drugs more acceptable than someone who takes a bike? I'm sorry you feel that way. Setting up college kids? I am sure that most of the people who steal one of those bikes arent doing something illegal for the first time. If i see a bike on the side of the road by itself, or a car with keys in the car.. i am not going to steal it. They dont know it is a set up..thy know what they are doing is illegal. They arent setting good kids up.. Bikes being stolen is a huge issue on UNL's campus. Now you're assuming the guy is a habitual criminal because he stole a bike? That's quite an assumption and kind of sad that our society has reached that point. Based on what you said... are "bad kids" the only ones who are being set up? Does that make anyone who is pulled over from a speed trap a "bad person" or a bad driver? Just some food for thought. My whole point was to not make rash decisions on the character of people based on this news. Maybe playing a little devil's advocate with the questioning the police and their tricks but it is worth taking on a different view point once in awhile.

I think I'm the only one who has said he has a problem with the trap system around campus. And to answer your question, No... The police should definitely investigate and stop theft. However, (personally) I don't agree with trapping and "setting up" college students is the right thing to do. By putting bait bikes around campus it is placing unnecessary temptations for the kids. He shouldn't have taken it but if no bait is there, there is no theft. Sorry....but, what a load of..... These idiots are breaking the law. Police in large cities do the same with cars to catch people stealing cars. If you don't want to be arrested, keep your friggen hands off of other people's stuff. It really is a pretty simple concept. I agree that they should keep their hands to themselves. Again, my frustration is more with the idea of trying to trap a student... they pull these kinds of stunts all the time on campus. At rec, union, library and it's beyond just bikes. Stopping crime is one thing. Enticing people to commit crimes are another.

The police are there to "protect and serve." Sure the lessons after the theft are taught but placing traps in general isn't really ethical. Yes, they have been doing the same thing for years but that fact doesn't justify anything. I just don't like the concept of their traps because they are essentially aiding in the crime by setting up college kids. It's honestly because they really have nothing else to do and way too many cops on staff for a city like Lincoln.

I think everyone needs to take a breather here. Although I don't agree with their actions, these guys are young and will learn hard lessons from this. The bike deal has happened twice now and I'm sure the staff/upperclassmen will send a message on that soon. I don't expect to see much more of that non-sense coming. The weed deal with Tolbert is more concerning especially since it wasn't just a little bit (still would be wrong).. I have no doubt Bo will have some strong-armed punishments ahead. However we should remember that this guy is away from home, likely for the first time in his life. It doesn't justify his actions at all but it should teach him a lesson hopefully. To kick the guy off the team would be wrong at this point. Suttles and Brown were removed for violence against a teammate last year. Now, if Tolbert has another flare up from anything... then the coaching staff must make a more difficult decision. You guys nailed it before though, UNL PD and Lincoln police are truly awful to deal with... I seriously wonder how high property taxes are to pay for the number of officers out there everyday. Lincoln has to have one of the highest police to people ratios. Sorry for the little rant here. While the kids shouldn't have done the illegal activities, it also is pretty low of the cops to set traps all around campus. [Those visiting Lincoln at any point, beware of a police officer who parks behind the dumpsters off 17th street behind Cather/Pound heading towards Sandoz/Abel dorms... cop is positioned for a speed trap everyday at all times of day].

I was talking more about the scheme than the players. But I don't think that's really changed all that much either. Unless you know what the coaches are talking about when they are choosing what guys to go after, that's very hard to know. We may have ended up with bigger guys now but that doesn't mean we haven't always been after them but didn't get many early on. High School signees by year and position with weight (Rivals): 2009 - DE - Ankrah (248); DT - Pensick (260), Randle (255) 2010 - DE - J. Cotton (265), Okuyemi (250), Vestal (240); DT - Guy (300), Rome (290) 2011 - DE - None; DT - Peat (300), Williams (275) 2012 - DE - McMullen (255), Moss (245); DT - Curry (298), Valentine (320) 2013 - DE - Mixon (250), Natter (240), Suttles (240); DT - Collins (285), Maurice (270) 2014 - DE - King (230), Wills (250); DT - Newell (285) 2015 - DE - Neal (234); DT - C. Davis (260), K. Davis (255) I don't see any large (no pun intended) change there. In fact, the two lightest DEs we've had are this year's class and next years. Valentine is really the only outlier at DT - the Davis twins aren't any bigger than Bo's first class. Guy and Rome in Bo's second class were some of the biggest DTs we've gotten, they just didn't work out. Oh scheme-wise I think you're spot on, I agree that the philosophy didn't change much. By size I didn't mean the weight of the players, I meant the builds of the players. Many of the guys recruited when we were in the Big 12 were narrower (I notice those subtle differences for some reason) but were quicker than the current group. The current guys are more solid from the waist down, hence more anchored. True, we may have missed out on a number of guys who were bulkier but I think we've focused more on large bodied guys. Again, weight-wise many of the classes match up but there seems to be more of a focus on the width of the guys now as opposed to how much weight they carry. Clinkscales was very rectangular like Valentine and Maurice currently are. The Jay Guy, Todd Peat, and Thad Randles of those classes did not have the shoulder bulk so they had to work on that bulk coming into the program which could explain the frustration for each of those players (for reference, look at Thad from before his Husker career versus his last season). Suh did the bulk coming in but he also had quick feet which added to his dominance in the Big 12. Call it crazy but I do think many people misunderstood how difficult the transition could be for the program. Maybe I'm just seeing things I want to see...

I think you're spot on with the over correction part. Too many people assumed that our players (specifically linemen) were the proper builds for any conference. Unfortunately, the program recruited a different type of athlete in the "track meets" of the Big 12. The B1G has a much more plodding style where the size of players are typically stockier and space is harder to gain. Our skill players in the transition were obviously our best assets and it was their play that separated us from most of the B1G teams. Therefore, the staff had to basically scramble to determine the new kind of player that could be effective in the Big Ten. It's part of the reason why our defensive line is still so young, it's the first class where the staff had some idea of what athletes to recruit and how the conference games are played (pace, style, refs, other quirks, etc.). I hope more fans can come to understand that transition's effect in the near future. Good call RedRed! I guess I'm not sure the type of DLinemen we were after changed a lot. We just didn't get very many to pan out for a few years. The changes were much more deviant at LB where we basically played with one quick LB most of the time in the Big XII but need three more geared to stop the run for Wiscy, Mich St., Iowa, Penn St., etc. and to a lesser extent Michigan and Ohio State. I would argue that the D-line model changed significantly from the Big 12. Though I agree with your thoughts on LB and the change, I do feel that our linemen concept changed. The past two seasons the staff has targeted bulkier players who would clog lanes better (thinking Collins, Curry, V.V. and Maurice)... In the B1G championship game against Wisconsin, it was very noticeable that Wisconsin linemen were able to effectively manhandle our linemen. Sure there were injury and depth issues but the current group appears to be more anchored and less pushable. They aren't quite as nimble and light on their feet as the Big 12 guys (thinking Steinkuhler, Meredith) but they are more solid against larger offensive lines. It's led me to believe that the conference switch was reason Joe Carter didn't pan out as expected. In talks with my friend and former player, he described how the defensive scheme is intended to work. He said ideally you had hulking lineman who could clog lanes and essentially hold up the line, defensive ends who could cover the flats and contain, outside linebackers/nickels who could cover and support containing and basically allow the middle linebacker to star. He said to think of it as MIKE versus Quarterback, only the MIKE is almost always faster than the QB. He noted that Lavonte David was able to shine because his athleticism allowed him to make up for what he lacked in understanding the scheme early on but that is how the position was designed. Suggested thinking of the scheme more in terms of a Baltimore Ravens/Ray Lewis concept where the middle linebacker is quarterbacking the defense and is the main focal point.

I think you're spot on with the over correction part. Too many people assumed that our players (specifically linemen) were the proper builds for any conference. Unfortunately, the program recruited a different type of athlete in the "track meets" of the Big 12. The B1G has a much more plodding style where the size of players are typically stockier and space is harder to gain. Our skill players in the transition were obviously our best assets and it was their play that separated us from most of the B1G teams. Therefore, the staff had to basically scramble to determine the new kind of player that could be effective in the Big Ten. It's part of the reason why our defensive line is still so young, it's the first class where the staff had some idea of what athletes to recruit and how the conference games are played (pace, style, refs, other quirks, etc.). I hope more fans can come to understand that transition's effect in the near future. Good call RedRed!

Wow his twitter page is blowing up with Husker supporters looking insane for the most part. There are some good guys, and gals, offering best wishes but most of the messages to him are pretty harsh. Passionate is one thing but it looks more to be insanity than passionate. Everyone has to do what is best for them... at least what they think is in their best interest. My hunch is that it wasn't just about "the love" from coaches, UNL, etc. No doubt that there was an academic angle to this. Probably upset him that we were continuing to go after defensive linemen as well. I must admit that I bought is lip service with the whole "Suh is my idol" sort of talking. Really thought he could be a big force for the team in the fall. Hope the guy is happy with his decision but realizes that he isn't going to a team with a lot of upside (from my perspective). Who knows, maybe the guy will become an All-American even though I think he is definitely taking steps down in talent as the Big 12 is a pass-first conference and he's built to be a clogger. Oh well, next man up.

I suspect that's the case as well. Not saying you're not right but do you really think another coaching staff would do this sort of thing? It's more than likely a 16 year old kid who wants the recruit to look at his favorite school instead of staying with Nebraska. Again, I'm not saying this sort of action is below any given program's staff but that seems pretty far-fetched. Just can't promote this kind of behavior or support any fans of ours who attempt to bring down other programs. Just promote our own and support those who even considered us.