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3 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

I feel that's true of some people, maybe even some people in this thread, but I don't get the impression @Atbone95 or @Hilltop are presenting this, or similar, arguments in bad faith. I think they just want football and are looking for glimmers of hope.

I want to make it clear, I’m not accusing them of acting in bad faith. I hope that’s not the case at least. 
 

Trying to avoid being political.

Just now, Undone said:

 

Phew. That was a close one.

 

I was explaining to Hilltop the overarching concept in a vacuum. I am very much aware of the 'lagging indicator' factor, yeah.

Death rate (IFR) figures have steadily decreased over the last two months. If they start climbing back, we'll analyze that phenomenon if & when it occurs.

It’s not if, but when. There has already been an increase in deaths over the last week.

The whole “death rates are dropping argument” is made in bad faith to push a specific viewpoint. That anyone who is trying to fight COVID is scared for no reason and that we should “get back to normal”.

Its dangerous to entertain that argument. 

Just now, Undone said:

 

Just to clarify - and I'm being serious - do you know what a fraction is?

Yes, I understand how math works.

Just to clarify, and I’m being serious, do you understand that someone who gets COVID-19 doesn’t immediately die?
 

You are dividing last months deaths by today’s number of infections. It’s just bad data analysis. 

3 hours ago, Undone said:

 

Sure it does. Imagine a scenario where we didn't realize how many people were actually COVID-positive but we DID know exactly how many people died from it; the math is simple. The denominator in the math equation is now considerably bigger, making the ratio drop.

That’s one, albeit incorrect, way to look at it. 

4 hours ago, Hilltop said:

If positive cases are continuing to reach record highs, why is the death rate continuing to drop?  Something just doesn't line up.  Data like this makes me very optimistic about a season-   https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/07102020/nchs-mortality-report.html  If this trend continues, what would the justification be for cancelling?

It’s not dropping. Deaths rates trail infection rates. We’re looking at death rates from infections 3 weeks ago not today. 
 

Deaths will spike here in about 2 weeks.

6 hours ago, Atbone95 said:

No, but I appreciate the straw man. 

 

I said masks are important. I said COVID is serious. I don't understand where we took a fork in the road as a society and became terrified of illness. 

This is a straw man argument.

No one us terrified of being sick. This isn’t about runny noses.  We’re doing our best to prevent the unnecessary deaths of 3 million people. 
 

How someone can be so callous as to hand wave away that many deaths I don’t understand. You must be privileged enough not to have experienced real loss in your life. 

2 hours ago, krc1995 said:

Is the phased reopening criteria the same for every state? Our state high school athletics were delayed today until the state can finish phase 3. We can’t get out of phase 2. 

We’re in phase 4 now thanks to the party in power in Texas re-opening the state even though infections were increasing. As our Lt gov says, the economy is more important than actual human lives. 

https://sports.yahoo.com/time-to-face-reality-no-one-is-playing-college-football-in-the-fall-170634809.html

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Here’s the cruel truth about how college football leaders approached football this fall: The entirety of their plan to return was based on hope. Hope that the COVID-19 would go away. Hope that college campuses wouldn’t be a petri dish for the virus. Hope that they could figure out a way to play a contact sport in a time of mandatory social distancing. Hope for a vaccine to keep players healthy and seats full.

3 hours ago, I am I said:

31 of 3,185  Major League Baseball test positive. 1.2%

no hospitalizations or serious illness in those. 
 

major league soccer 16 of 302 test positive. No hospitalizations....2.7%
 

 

I don’t understand the point being made here.

1 hour ago, Cdog923 said:

 

You do understand this is a process, correct? Because this is a new disease, we are actually still in the learning phase of it. As we learn more about it, opinions and methodology change. It's the same reason why the people who are trying to troll Fauci for his opinions in January and February are incredibly cringe. Masks were not at the forefront of the discussion at the beginning because 1. we didn't know exactly how the virus was being transmitted, and 2. they were deemed essential for healthcare workers and those caring for sick individuals. 4 months later, we know more about the transmission and that one of the best ways of preventing it is by wearing masks. That's why the majority of the discussion has centered around wearing masks in public to help flatten the curve, or did you just start paying attention? 

Thank you.

No one understood the efficacy of a cloth mask in preventing the spread from a sock person. All mask related guidance was about protecting the wearer, which still holds true today. 
 

No one had any idea about asymptomatic carriers back in Jan/Feb. Mocking the CDC and WHO over that would be like mocking doctors from the 1800s for not using penicillin. 

We wear masks to protect others if we’re sick. That’s why it’s important to practice social distancing and stay at home as much as possible. 
 

Most people act like they’re in a hazmat suit when wearing these masks, and do things that bring their effectiveness to near 0. 

3 hours ago, I am I said:

I only compared it to the flu because that’s the closest illness it appears to be. I get it’s bad, I was just pointing out updates stats. 
 

so how are we fairing? Do we have a few that have it? 

The problem with stats is that they make it easy to hide reality.  
 

Let’s say this guess (because it is just that,  an estimate not actual statistics) that 20 million Americans contracted COVID-19 is accurate. 

While yes that brings the death rate down to .5%, you have to remember that equates to 120k actual dead people. 
 

20 million is roughly 10% of the US population. Which means we’ve only seen 10% of the deaths. 
 

If we don’t stop the spread we’re talking 1.2 million deaths. 
 

.5% is a very large number of deaths for any disease, especially one that spreads as quickly and easily as COVID-19. 
 

This is not the flu.

1 hour ago, Hilltop said:

I am paying attention, I just have a very different opinion.  I believe a good portion of our media is being paid to narrate a message a certain way from multiple interests.  I believe the virus is bad but that we as a society are going to have to learn to live with it.  I believe we need to move forward before our economy gets to a point it can't.  I believe our societies mental health is going downhill quickly.  Imo, this will have a larger effect than the virus will on our overall population.  I believe sports, work, and every day life returning would go a long ways towards fixing those problems.  Football, and sports in general, returning would mean more to this country than many people understand imo.    

I believe that this opinion and the actions of those that hold it are the reason we won't have college football.

I'd be pretty happy with this.

1. We made it to a bowl game

2. We've never played in this bowl game before

3. Haven't played FSU in quite a while. 

44 minutes ago, GBRFAN said:

This is a 7th grade assumption of a person that flunked biology.

And there is the attack on my intelligence. 

12 hours ago, Hilltop said:

I would agree completely.  Which means that many more people have had this without serious negative effects.  All the percentages are bs and most people are figuring that out.  Time for life to resume...  

This is the attitude of a person that doesn’t care if millions die as long as they can get a haircut and go bowling. 

On 5/23/2020 at 8:49 AM, Hilltop said:

To you dooms day opinions, why has Nebraska's daily case count gone down since easing restrictions?  Most of us with a positive frame of mind are purely looking at what is actually happing.  Our cases are going down.  Hospital capacity is still ok.  

My father in law that lives in Kearney was diagnosed with covid19 symptoms but couldn’t get tested because there weren’t enough tests. 
 

The most likely answer is the numbers are under reported, just like they are nationwide. 

On 5/22/2020 at 4:20 PM, TheBigRed1 said:

That's rather presumptive of you. I'm all for having a conversation with as much pros and cons on the subject as possible, combined with the relevant data, to be able to make an informed decision. Your following sentence makes the bolded, classic projection, as it is a "hand wave away" of a discussion because you don't agree with the comment....and you'd be welcome for the "laughs" if the situation was laughable. 

The idea that our current situation is just the MSM blowing it out of proportion as “fear porn” is laughable and merits no discussion. 
 

I’m not going to waste my time having a conversation with someone who is irrational. 

23 minutes ago, Atbone95 said:

People know they played college football in 1918, right? During the peak of a pandemic much worse than this? I didn't take the time to read 23 pages of nonsense to check if we'd talked about it (hey, can we get 50-post pages again?)

The press was censored and didn't report that there was a pandemic (which is why it's called the Spanish Flu, their newspapers were the first to break the silence). There were multiple waves, with the virus spreading all the way to 1920, and upwards of a million people died in the US (up to 50 million world wide).

But they played football.

Maybe we instead of looking to the 1918 pandemic as a sign of what we SHOULD do, we should learn from our mistakes and try to do better.

10 hours ago, TheBigRed1 said:

Ignore the MSM Fear Porn

I was basically scanning what you wrote, and got to this part and realized there was nothing I could say that you wouldn't just hand wave away. I then re-read the parts above it more carefully and laughed. So thanks for that.

6 hours ago, teachercd said:

I am not asking them to do that.  If they don't want to play, they should not play.  But every practice and game they are putting themselves at risk of getting hurt (really badly) and they still go play. 

There is a major difference between a risk that cannot be taken away from the game (injuries) vs. something that can be easily avoided (waiting until a vaccine is available before resuming play). While it would really suck, I would understand it if we didn't have a 2020-2021 season.

In my opinion, anyone that advocates for playing this season - without widespread testing and vaccines - is essentially deciding that their entertainment is more important than player health.

The argument that players have a choice is bulls#!t though. If there is a season, they effectively are given no choice. Just like workers are given no choice if their employer reopens. You could always just quit football and lose your scholarship if you don't want to possibly die to a preventable disease is not a good argument to make.

1 minute ago, teachercd said:

Yes, I agree.  But most people that get Covid don't have permanent organ damage.

I understand that it's not the most common outcome, but it can happen. When we're asking some young men to put themselves at risk of it for our entertainment it's an important thing to remember.

On 5/19/2020 at 11:11 AM, teachercd said:

I get it...but 33 and "a runner" is a totally different animal than 19 and in the best shape of my entire life.  But I get the point you are making.

It's really hard to recover from what could be permanent organ damage, regardless of your age or health.

2 hours ago, Waldo said:

VERY? Come on. Cherry picking one article doesn’t constitute a legit sample size. The virus could have long term effects on the lungs of any aged person, but what the poster stated isn’t wrong either. The average age of death is something like 70 years old the last time I checked. 

The idea that we shouldn’t take this seriously because it only affects old people is an attitude that is going to get even more than the already 80+ thousand people killed. 
 

Yes, it’s a very dangerous take. 

1 hour ago, Hilltop said:

College athletes are in the age class that is least affected by this virus.  Quit watching CNN and go enjoy some sunshine.  

This is a VERY dangerous take.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/opinion/coronavirus-young-people.html

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The second day I was sick, I woke up to what felt like hot tar buried deep in my chest. I could not get a deep breath unless I was on all fours. I’m healthy. I’m a runner. I’m 33 years old.

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Finally, Dr. Audrey Tan walked toward me, her kind eyes meeting mine from behind a mask, goggles and a face shield. “Any asthma?” she asked. “Do you smoke? Any pre-existing conditions?” “No, no, none,” I replied. Dr. Tan smiled, then shook her head, almost imperceptibly. “I wish I could do something for you,” she said.

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I am one of the lucky ones. I never needed a ventilator. I survived. But 27 days later, I still have lingering pneumonia. I use two inhalers, twice a day. I can’t walk more than a few blocks without stopping.